Toyota says its 2026 EV batteries will have a range of 800 km (500 miles) and charge to 80% in 20 minutes.
Toyota has released its new roadmap for battery technology which will see four new designs, one of which affords up to 1000km of range.
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my god how many stars had to align to make that joke. wish i could think of puns in my own response but even if i could they wouldn't match this. fucking bravo.
i'm probably going to come back to this in a few days and marvel at it again. JFC nicely done.
Okay. I'll check it out when it is available.
Haven't they been saying this shit for years? I'll believe it when it happens. Toyota got a late jump on EV's from what I understand, placing a bigger bet on hydrogen but that never really took off.
EDIT: I should learn to RTFA
https://www.businessinsider.com/toyota-electric-cars-ceo-hybrids-plug-in-silent-majority-resistance-2022-12?op=1 - why buy an electric Toyota when their own CEO isn't giving them his full support?
Edit: I just found out he stepped down after this statement: https://electrek.co/2023/01/26/toyota-ceo-steps-down-amid-electric-vehicle-movement/
Toyota has literally ceded their entire hybrid advantage by doing jack shit when it comes to EVs. If they’d even created a new line of EVs while keeping their ICE legends like the Corolla and Camry for now, they’d get the best of both worlds.
Toyota’s are legendary for their reliability and they’ve earned that. By having not a single EV to offer, they’re losing a ton of business. I know I certainly would’ve bought one of theirs but had to go elsewhere.
It's exactly because they put longevity and dependability first that they aren't currently competing in the EV market much. And where they do they put weird one off names on the car. Lithium batteries wear out faster than is acceptable for Toyota. That's why they are literally inventing new solid state batteries that live up to people's expectations of Toyota before committing to EVs. That's why I'm holding off on EVs. I only buy Toyotas because of the dependability and longevity, so I only want an EV once Toyota is willing to release a Camry, RAV4 or 4Runner ev. Until then the hybrids will do.
Replacing the battery at 100k miles as scheduled maintenance solves that problem. I had to change my Prius’ hybrid battery at 150k. Toyota can build a 200k mile reliable car and if the fuel source isn’t up to that standard, make it easily serviceable so it is part of routine scheduled maintenance.
The fact that every automaker except them and Honda have put out compelling and competitive EVs says a lot. I love Toyotas and strongly would’ve bought another. But my readiness to go electric didn’t line up with the 15 years Toyota has squandered to have something to sell me.
Maybe when I’m ready for another car in the next decade they’ll be ready. Until then, they lost out on my business by no fault of my own. I’m not buying another gas car.
"Lithium batteries wear out faster than is acceptable for Toyota."
They don't though?
Someone was told to make a Toyota EV design for the article and we got a Prius Cybertruck.
Part of me loves the idea of changing stations popping up with something to divert people for twenty minutes.
Part of me realizes that will be forcing someone to push a button for twenty minutes while they are blasted with advertising.
This coming from the company that is probably near the bottom in terms of electrification progression. No one should believe anything Toyota (or anyone else) says until they actually release the product. Right now Toyota's only full electric vehicle is the abysmal Bz4X and its Lexus cousin. The Japamese car makers are laughably behind the rest of the industry.
Toyota is the first company to figure out how to make commercially viable solid state batteries... they are trying to pivot now that they are the first to figure it out but plan to release with their 26/27 line.
This is a major change for the entire world and you guys are snickering about how behind they are... just say you dont know anything.
figure out how to make commercially viable solid state batteries
Yeah, and where are they? Talk is cheap. Show me a shipping product with these solid state batteries.
Lots of companies claim lots of things and rarely do they ever deliver fully. The proof right now is in the pudding and as of today, the only full EV offering they are selling is hot garbage.
Just because they didn't take the tesla route of claiming 500miles but only deliver half of ut in the real world? They set on hybrids, which you know, has batteries and electric motors as well. Then they use that knowlege to make an EV that isn't just shit.
I would love to care but my magic 8 ball says "80k dollar+ crossover SUV" so, meh.
Wonder what ludicrous range will get folks to buy an EV for their 20 miles of total driving in a day
Yeah but a car with ludicrous range used for short commutes gets less stress on the battery than a car with a smaller battery since you need to charge it less often and don’t even need to charge it to 80-100%. Which means the battery will still have very good range when the car enters the used market.
Not to mention the few times a year people typically go on holiday, during which time the range actually does get used.
Not all of us are living in and near a city. Those properties are very expensive, and becoming less affordable each year. For those of us with longer commutes, and especially those of us with only one car and with family and friends further away, range is really important. We like to take weekend trips away, and unfortunately an EV (long range Model 3) adds about 30% travel time to the trip. I’ve rented them several times to see if it’s worth the change but it’s not. Yet. The future of battery tech is bright.
Yeah im nowhere near a city
The 1% trips drive sales. With a gas car I can drive 300 miles and then find fuel anywhere and get another 300 miles. Most of the time I don't make those long trips, but I do a few times per year.
Before I bought mine, I decided if there's enough coverage by charging networks then the occasional long trip doesn't matter.
If you don't have enough range to cover your regular trips, that's a pain. Those yearly trips, though? It's okay if they take a little bit longer. Stretching your legs every couple of hours makes for a nicer trip anyway.
If you add up all the times that you charge while you're asleep instead of diverting and stopping at a filling station, you probably save time overall with an EV, even with half hour charging stops on long trips.
I'm in a strange position where I pretty much only use my car for long trips. I would love to switch to an EV, but I'm not really sure when it will make sense as I'm only putting ~3000 miles on it per year.
I drive about 90 miles in a regular work day, up to 150miles to 250miles at least once a week throughout the summer.
I would maybe feel comfortable once the ranges reach double that to make sure I can get there and back if I don't quite have a full charge, so 500 miles is probably my minimum requirement just so I can do my job.
It’s great news. Sadly Toyota has been a laggard and opposed electric cars until they can clear their hybrid line…
Step 1 make hybrid Step 2 sell aggressively and push back against full electric vehicle manufacturing Step 3 ??? Step 4 profit
Then go back and sell the electric vehicles and embrace your consumer fanbase on how you have pivoted to being a environmentally loving and caring corporation… aaaah so warm and fuzzy
I wonder how many will be left buying new internal combustion engine cars in 2030?
charging an ev with electricity produced through a fossil fuel plant is just a gas car with extra steps. also the price tag of 40k$ isn't really enticing, especially when the car isn't eco-friendly.
Where energy is produced isn’t the same problem as emissions by vehicles. EVs aren’t meant to address emissions of power production, they’re meant to reduce demand for fossil fuels to aide in shifting to carbon neutral alternatives.
$40k for a new car is on par for their ICE offerings, especially something like a 4Runner
But what about the second time you charge it?
Don't think he knows about second charge, Pip.
Whatever any claim is, wait until it hits the market to believe.
Toyota wasted time with hydrogen so have catching up to do.
a car with 260kwh pack weighing 1.7 tons would charge at 300kw from 10% to 80% in 20 min and give 800km mileage. A car with two 300 kw plugs would charge in 10 minutes instead
I'll wait until first release to make sure it's bug free....like CATCHING ON FIRE!
('cause unstable battery)
Why does it matter if it charges from 10 to 80% in 20mins? Seems a bit arbitrary. Why not give us the time to charge to 100%? Does the last 20% take longer or something?
Yes. There's chemistry and physics reasons but primarily it's to protect the battery from overheating and prolonging the life of the battery. Same applies for your phone or laptop battery.
Exactly, charging 80-100 is much slower than 0-80.
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 both currently advertise charging from 10%-80% in 18 minutes (under ideal conditions). Charging from 10%-100% takes around 50 minutes (under ideal conditions).
So 10%-80% in 18 minutes, and 80%-100% in 32 minutes. So if you need to go far, it's also quicker to charge to 80%, go as far as you can and then charge to 80% again.
It's also important to note that charging to 100% puts much more wear and strain on the battery, so if you want your battery to keep it's capacity for many years, you should avoid charging beyond 80.
Come back to me when it's 1200km/800mi
Damn... You drive that long without stopping for breaks?
When you're out in the bush. You stop when you want, the problem is finding a petrol charging station.