What year is it?

Almost as if they are doing it on purpose and are just the more culturally liberal of the two Wall Street parties... 🤔🤔

Someone like AOC and Bernie will never be allowed anywhere near actual power. God damn money.
- and even if they did get in power, they'd still support NATO and imperialism in general, still support capitalist exploitation, and still would only pay lip service to or fight symptoms of systemic issues instead of ripping the cause that is capitalism out by it's root

Democrats sit here and use memes to beat themselves up over being such a shit bunch of losers and Republicans would have claimed victory even if Trump lost and very likely would have had their followers shooting guns about it. Yeah there's a disconnect somewhere.

Idk, rightwingers made the argument that they are under no commitment to certify if they think there was funny business.

It's funny because no one on here was talking about the how bad the Democrats' strategy had been before the election, yet now suddenly everyone is an expert on what went wrong

Yeah, everyone who spoke up was told to shut up. Already white middle class liberal Americans are scrambling to blame anyone but themselves and the democratic party. Liberals are not a challenge to fascism.
- I was banned from a couple communities for saying it
- Going online to gripe about DNC strategy to other online leftists accomplishes nothing but generating more apathetic non-voters. Organizing in effective ways can actually accomplish something: mass letters directly to the DNC, banding together into massive documented coalitions, mass petitions.
  If the Uncommitted movement had tens of millions of registered voters come together and pledge to vote Harris if and only if she took a harder stance on Israel, that might have helped.
  When you're speaking up to the wrong audience, and thereby doing more harm than good, yes you should shut up. Toward that audience, or at least with that message. The Democratic party is a lot of unsavory things, but they aren't totally stupid. They have a great number of analysts developing strategy based on the information they have. If you want them to change, they need actionable information that supports that change.
  Complaining in already largely leftist anonymous online spaces is not actionable information.
I talked about it and got straight up bullied. I shut up about 45 days before the election because it was just harmful at that point. But you can not bully people into voting for you. You can not tell them the economy is great when they're in pain. You can not transparently be the puppet of a foreign government. You can not tell your base to get excited about people they've hated for literal decades.
The list just goes on. You can not win an election by enforcing a top down attitude. The Republicans worked ground up. Yes they did a lot of lying and gaslighting. But that brought people in and they worked from that during the actual campaign period. The Democrats did nothing to educate people and then told them they were wrong during the campaign.
- You can not tell them the economy is great when they’re in pain.
  This is a big thing in most western nations right now. The "economy" does not mean a healthy middle class, it does not mean higher wages for people, it does not mean affordable heating/food/shelter. I can see people struggling to make ends meet, and nothing pisses them off more then being told the "economy" is great. Basically the wealth inequality at this point has mostly removed the middle class and people being told the economic equivalent of "Git Gud"
This is just pattenly untrue.Unless you litterally live I. a corporate news echo chamber, the writing for this has been on the wall, and being discussed as such, litterally everywhere.
However, it was also being downvoted at a preposterously high ratio. So while it was present, Lemmy (and reddit too and pretty much all social media) was dutifully ignoring and abusing those saying that Kamala wasn't winning.
Not only that, but there were bans, and significant bias in moderation behavior to support the building of that echo chamber.
So no. Only if you live in a self construct d bubble was this not obvious since the convention.
- Yeah, its funny comparing online to real world discussions.
  Most people I talked to seemed to never like Harris but all agreed Trump was worse. This tracks, makes sense, and the ones that did not think Trump was worse would vote for him.
  Compare that to here where you had every negative thing said about Harris come with some heavy baggage (like .ml accounts) or out right dog piling.
- Wait a minute, is it "patently" untrue, so false that you couldn't even get a copyright on it, or is it "Pattonly" untrue, a feignt tactic like those used by US general Patton in the Great War 2 against Irwin Rommel in Africa?
They were. You called them Russian trolls and ignored them.
"You're a Russian bot sowing division! These shills will disappear after the election."
I made this meme a while back. Got downvoted.
I mean, I said Harris was a sure fire way to a Trump presidency. Does that count?
I did ten months ago. An apology from Pug would be nice, I doubt I get it though. I learned then that I am incapable of getting through to American liberals and moved on with my life.
Everything I saw since then just reaffirmed my position, can you imagine my horror when liberals on Lemmy were literally asking people to vote for evil?! What came over them to think that was a winning strategy.
Fuckin LMFAO
Literally dozens of us on this very site, but I guess before the election we were all Russian trolls and deserved getting downvoted out of the conversation.
Not only that, but they done forgot pro-corporate, "PrO-gEnOCiDe" Biden WON the previous election, running the same kind of campaign.
In 2016, Hillary received 65,853,514 votes, and Trump received 62,984,828
Harris received 68,103,050 votes. Trump received 72,757285.
It's almost like a lot of Republicans worked hard and encouraged each other to cast their votes for Trump.
Meanwhile, all I saw on the Dem side was smug aholes trying to create voter apathy every chance they got. Either that, or there are a lot of Dem voters that will just. NOT. vote for a woman for president.
- Behold this type of person, head in the sand, who will always blame the electorate.

This image never fails to force a chuckle out of me.

Ahyuck, murder!

1939

1933 if you're refering to Hitler. He was already six years in power in 1939.

The DNC would rather have Trump than a progressive is what I've realized. We've been abandoned since '16

The DNC leadership would rather have control and fascism then have to share power but hold Congress and the white house

The candidate needs to be profitable, otherwise why even bother supporting him/her?

Weird question, were there any elections in between those years? If so, why did they get left out?

Either Joe Biden wasn't "pro-corporate" or there was some other similarity to the 2016 and 2024 candidates that fits better....

Dem elections can be summarized as "upholding the status quo." Americans want change. In 2016, Americans voted to break away from the status quo with Trump. In 2020, Americans voted to return to the status quo with Biden. In 2024, Americans remembered the status quo sucks, and voted to change it again with Trump again.
Change won all three elections, but Dems only got to campaign on change by virtue of being the opposition party for one of those three.
- That sounds right to me but is both a little hopeless (I guess we'll just flip flop the presidency term-to-term forever?) and disagreeing with the premise of "pro-corporatism" from the OP.
the chaos of the first trump presidency was fresh in everyones mind then.

Also America has shifted to the right

The politicians have shifted to the right. Trump is a populist. So is Bernie

Voters: Can pick between fascism and no fascism

Voters: "Hmm I will not vote"

Lets be real. The non voters are to blame and they deserve project 2025

Yeah.... not a great idea to blame the very people you needed to stop fascism.
Oh and just a reminder the choice was between:
The ruling party
Literal fascism
That is not a democracy at that point, just authoritarianism though the threat of worse authoritarianism (in this case fascism).
- And non voters chose literal fascism. They are fascist enablers. They will not help stop fascism. They chose fascism.
- Pandering to their unrealistic expectations to have a perfect candidate didn't work, so I think I will blame them now. Every day for the rest of my life. Stop telling me to act nice to them to appease them, clearly nothing will.
The voters don’t owe the candidate a damn thing. It’s funny that you believe otherwise.
- The voters owe the test of the world, you idiot

And this is when you vote for a third party. IMO the mentality of “having to vote one of these two” is toxic for a democratic system.

It’s a trap and these two parties massively profit off of it.

Its the fundamental death of democracy. There is only ever one "correct" choice on the ballot. No real decision except to show up and vote straight ticket or suffer guilt or derision from your peers.
This works just as well on Republicans as Democrats. You don't see any dark horse Buchanans or Perots on the ballot anymore. Conservatives know any vote for someone other than Trump will be seen as a vote for the Democrat, just like Liberals know the opposite. And when the top of the ticket sucks (as with Hilary in 2016 or Romney in 2012), turnout sags and upsets happen.
The bitter truth Dems can't face is that they ran bad candidates on weak platforms after disappointing terms in office. And this is what drove down turnout. Not insidious Arabs or nefarious Jill Stein voters or Russia. If they'd had a candidate as appealing to voters as Trump, running on the left side of the ticket, they could have won. Instead, they shed 15M votes chasing the Liz Cheney endorsement.
- Bingo
- This is cuz of fptp not cuz of parties
I hate that you're not wrong. Gotta get rid of the current "winner take all" electoral system first though...
- Mandatory vote, ranked choice, popular no electoral
- Im with you. If such trap can exist the system is wrongly setup.
- That's not possible in the current electoral system. Therefore voting third party needs to happen first.
  Or really, the thing we can't say in the Internet anymore and the thing that you liberals hate more than the thought of losing capitalism itself.
- You're not wrong, but there's no way to get there from here that doesn't involve the American political system becoming something else first.
My understanding is that for third parties to become viable at the presidential they have to have first become viable in other levels of government. A third party presidential candidate should be the culmination of bottom up building, not a once every 4 years thing.
- You're correct. The US third parties have never been acting in good faith, with few exceptions.
And this is when you vote for a third party. IMO the mentality of “having to vote one of these two” is toxic for a democratic system.
So close, and yet so far.
The third party isn't going to save you from the toxic system, nor stand a chance to fix it.
You can't reform the system, nor fix it from within no matter how hard you participate. It must be completely eradicated from the root.