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We already have Linux at home!

I have to work with Win11 for work and just noticed the lil Tux man in Microsofts Explorer. Likely to connect to WSL.

Apparently now Microsoft wants people to keep using Windows in a really interesting way. By simply integrating it within their own OS!

This way, people don't have to make the super hard and complicated switch to linux, but they get to be lazy, use the preinstalled container and say "See, I use Linux too!".

While this is generally a good thing for people wanting to do things with the OS, it is also a clear sign that they want to make it feel "unneccessary" to switch to Linux, because you already have it!

WSL alone was already a smart move, but this goes one step further. This is a clever push on their side, increasing the barrier to switch even more, since now there is less of a reason to. They are making it too comfortable too stay within Microsofts walls.

On a different note: Should the general GNU/Linux community do the same? Should we integrate easier access to running Winblows apps on GNU/Linux?
Currently I still find it too much of a hastle to correctly run Winblows applications, almost always relying on Lutris, Steams proton or Bottles to do the work for me.

I think it would be a game changer to have a double click of an EXE file result in immediate automatic wine configuration for easy and direct use of the software, even if it takes a big to setup.

I might just be some fedora using pleb, but I think having quick and easy access to wine would make many people feel much more comfortable with the switch.

Having a similar system to how Winblows does it, with one container for all your .exe programs would likely be a good start (instead of creating a new C drive and whatever for every program, which seems to be what Lutris and Bottles does).

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  • Small addition:
    Now that VR works essentially perfectly on GNU/Linux, even on Wayland with Gnome and an nvidia GPU, I have now stopped dualbooting for occasional VR Chat and Beat Saber (which are VR games).

    In my opition, when looking away from online games with anticheat, Microsofts Office and adobes whatever software, there is no reason to use Winblows anymore.

    The amount of configuration GNU/Linux gives me is truly empowering, running any scripts I want using shortcuts being a big one for me. ::: spoiler Some shortcuts I use daily

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Super+E -> Nautilus (obvious)
Super+W -> Firefox
Super+Y -> Youtube
Super+C -> Local LLM chat
Super+G -> Launch Godot
Generally vim navigation

    :::

  • So they've already embraced and now they're extending. Give it a bit more time and they will start to eliminate.

  • Personally WSL has always been riddled with issues for me. I mainly used it for dev things before I switched to linux entirely. Recently I came back to Windows to try some of AMDs new graphics driver features and decided to try out WSL 2. Hell, Windows fucks up so much basic shit in there, i couldnt even run 'git init' because some permission issue with drive mounting. Had to move my entire project to a separate drive just to make it work. The way Windows handles the filsystem, permissions and "cross-OS" functionality is so weird and always results in some issue, making the Linux experience feel significantly more wonky than it needs to be. Performance is also a pain, since i had to love my project to a disk that was not part of WSL reading and writing files in VS Code becomes significantly slower.

    I have a pretty high end rig and even my PC runs slow when using WSL, its great to have an option for linux in windows but when a docker container or even just a VirtualBox machine performs better than WSL i have no fucking clue why youd use it.

    Thanks for listening to my rant. Take it with a grain of salt ig, maybe im just incompetent and doing something very wrong.

  • Currently I still find it too much of a hastle to correctly run Winblows applications, almost always relying on Lutris, Steams proton or Bottles to do the work for me.

    That's...uhhh... that's why they were made? So that your average Joe Schmoe, like myself and you, doesn't have to muddle through trying to get wine set exactly right so that the windows program functions. It sounds like you're complaining about the solution to the problem.
    I guess there could be work done to just make it so if you double click on a .exe install file in just boots whatever has the best install preset, or give you a pop up with options for lutris/proton/bottles.

    • ok fair u got me there. Lutris really is a solution, but it still feels like some game-specific launcher you gotta run to run normal programs.

      i was mostly complaining about the double click thing.

  • Extend, Embrace…

    What next? Extinguish?

    Heh, let them try.

    • I actually never heard of this saying, but I just looked up. Woah, that's really a phrase they use internally, hm? Crazy.

      And it does accurately describe what they try to do here. It can't really work like that, since many people use GNU/Linux specifically because it's not owned by EvilCo™. But they could probably take over some part of the server-hosting business like this. And that is a scary thought.

      Imagine, they could make it super easy to deploy things by incoperating premade docker containers into their UI thingy. That's - like - real bad.

      • This is the fairly known thing, I'm amazed you never heard of it.

  • Embrace and Extend. An old and tried technique proven to work deeply integrated into the dna of what MS are.

  • It is basically a symlink to the WSL home directory.

  • I'd argue that a lot of the other "additions" and "improvements" make any improvement in comfort irrelevant, as they are unbearable.

    On a sidenote, you can set up a generic bottle in Bottles, and then set things up so that double clicking any miscellaneous .exe files just runs them in that bottle.

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