Fun fact: there used to be an Authy flatpak that just installed the snap inside
Oh, what the fuck!?
TBH I wouldn't mind it that much. The whole point of flatpak is that the developer can do whatever demented satanic rituals they want inside of the sandbox, and it won't contaminate the rest of the system.
Yo dawg, I herd you like containers so I put snap in yo flatpak, so that u can sandbox in your sandbox
Flatpak has long had the ability to dump the contents of a snap into it, because snaps had already solved many of the build issues flatpaks were struggling with and they used similar runtimes for their sandboxing. It's also a convenient way to convert apps over, since many apps got packaged as snaps before flatpak was really usable.
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I've had bad experiences with AppImages. For universal format they do a really poor job at that. And it's a huge step back into Windows direction that you'll have to manually download, update etc your shit. Makes managing a bunch of apps a pain.
The thing with appimages is that they expect the developer to have full knowledge of what libraries need to be bundled with their app, which makes it difficult to make truly universal appimages. In flatpak you just select one of a set list of runtimes and add any additional dependencies on top of it. Flatpak also re-uses the files for each runtime in between the different apps that use it, which saves a lot of disk space.
But isn't appimage the closest one to the app-system from Android? Since things could be really different on many clients an "app-container" is the best solution.
Why not containerise everything? You need libreoffice? No problem, here is a docker or podman container.
BTW. I like flatpak, too. It's the most stable, but I never understand it's mechanics. There is always another pack installed, freecode, gtk, qt whatever. Even if the system has already the correct gtk version, nope, the dev decided to use the gtk image from Ubuntu.
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Auto-updates are a hell-no for me.
There was a perfectly good user interface for updates. Then Ubuntu decides "wait.. What if we made updates compulsory and effectively random and skipped the UI. The user can do system updates whenever they want, because those don't matter for security or something, but these apps must be updated whenever snap determines they must."
Oh, snap!
I used to use flatpak for everything, but I just dont have the hard drive space to store duplicates of my graphics drivers.
Ente Auth > Authy
Yep. I'm selfhosting it now. Works great but selfhosting isn't straightforward yet, still the best Authy/Google/Microsoft Authenticator drop in replacement with sync.
Yeah, I mean the snap app shown above is being deprecated so there's not even a choice. If you're using Authy on PC you have to switch.
2FAuth. On the web so you can check it anywhere you want and supports passkeys.
How about https://2fas.com/?
Once you discover you can just install the nix package manager with one command and then install everything with another, snap is out of the game. Even if you just use nix for like 2 packages, it's already much better
Or just use Keysmith and import your keys there.
Unpopular opinion: snap is not so bad and genuinely useful for many things
I would rather have a snap than building from source or use some tar.gz archive with a sketchy install script
I would rather have a snap than building from source or use some tar.gz archive with a sketchy install script
I agree, but that sounds like false dichotomy to me because snap competes with flatpak.
There are plenty of use cases that snap provides that flatpak doesn't - they only compete in a subset of snap's functionality. For example, flatpak does not (and is not designed to) provide a way to use it to distribute kernels or system services.
Agreed, and I came in to mention the dishonest comparison. Before snap, we didn't install Firefox with a tgz, we installed it with apt from the ubuntu repos. I've never installed Firefox from source, and I doubt 99.9% of its users have either.
some tar.gz archive with a sketchy install script
I just can't... like I'm old and that's wh I still can't wrap my head around how we went full circle from "./configure && make & make install scripts are almost the de facto way to install software in linux" to "a sketchy install script". We're living interesting times at Linux
Blame the thousands of supply chain attacks.
Last time I ran a corporate-made installer, it caused massive graphical glitches and lock-ups after waking from sleep. It basically gave my system computer-AIDS.
That's why I never run scripts which are too long for me to easily understand outside a sandbox. Official distro repositories and Flatpaks are the only sources I have some level of trust in.
In a job interview I asked a CIS grad what the steps are to compile something on the command line and they had no clue. If it’s not “sudo apt install” they are lost.
yeah idk a multi thousand line
configurescript seems sketchy to me, like what happened with xz
Very unpopular
I would prefer manually writing each software using butterflies over having
snapdinstalled on my system.obligatory "there is always a relevant xkcd"
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snap would be better then installing from manual archives, but it's comparisons are actually to your distro's package manager and flatpak.
I'd rather be able to use my web browser uninterrupted without it being updated while using it and be forced to restart it.
