Communists in the USSR weren’t that good either, don’t forget that too... Oh, and weren’t they also the ones that collaborated with the nazis from 1939 to 1941?
The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was not societ "collaboration" with the Nazis. It was a self-preserving, non-aggression treaty between a rising fascist empire hell-bent on destroying workers movements like communism as all fascists are and a young workers movement that had been besieged since it's inception. It gave them the time they needed to industrialize and prepare for the inevitable war with the Germans which they sacrificed so much for. 80% of Nazis were killed by the red army and 27 million soviets died for it.
Calling that pact collaboration is incredibly direspectful to their history
Yup. I hate historical revisionism. The pact was strategic, not a tacit approval of Nazism.
Even if you view it from the German point of view, it was the same. Hitler didn't suddenly like Communism for a short while. He had to build up his forces for invasion.
Have you read the secret protocol that was attached to it? How can dividing the Eastern Europe into „spheres of interest“ and occupying the territories of foreign states (the pact was signed a month before WWII started by both nazi Germany and USSR that invaded Poland, after that the Baltic countries, Romania and maybe a country or two more that I cannot remember) a „self-preserving, non-aggression treaty between a rising fascist empire hell-bent on destroying workers movements like communism as all fascists are and a young workers movement“? Pardon me, but your statement is full of shit. Just like USSR, that’s why it was „besieged since it’s inception“.
They're definitely misrepresenting the situation, like @ComradeSharkfucker explained, and I think it would be great if someone could make/share a FAQ so we wouldn't have to keep typing this by hand. But telling people to read a book some time is the arrogant crap that alienates us from the people we need on our side.
More people are reading this than the person you replied to.
Yes, I do. I also think that they largely contributed to the beggining of the WWII, hence it’s name that’s pretty self-explanatory. The thing is that, in academic history, any war starts with an event. That event is the invasion of Poland on the 1st of September, 1939. I hope you see where I’m going... We could trace back the causes of this war years, maybe even decades before it began, but that’s simply not correct (when talking about what pact/document led to it’s beggining).
Oh look it's an ignorant liberal, tell me more about how fucking ignorant you are
Stalin tried to build a coalition against Germany first and was roundly rejected by every other power because wow, i'm so shocked, but capitalist govts actually liked the fascists more, who would have thought
The USSR signed a non-aggression pact after trying to get the Western Powers to help protect Czechoslovakia. The Western Powers of course denied this, as they wanted the Nazis to kill the Soviets. The Soviets ended up killing 80% of the Nazis that died in WWII, the scale of the Eastern Front was many times larger than the Western. Moreover, Americans and other western powers were ordered to not attack western business assets in Nazi Germany. This is because the West had ties to the Nazis, while the Communists and Nazis hated each others guts.
The Red Army saved the world from fascism, and paid the price with tens of millions of lives. They are heroes.
This is what I hate about people who are vehemently anti-communist. They can look at a picture displaying the atrocities of fascism and then, instead of demonizing the horrific acts of fascism, decide to change the subject to talk about how evil communism is.
Anti-communist looking at picture of the Holocaust: "Man, I sure do hate communism."
The hypocrisy of this post or the rude replies that I’ve got from your „comrades“ is what must bother you really, not the way I reacted to this pic. I am not an anti-communist, it’s just that I don’t like when people of one ideology make a refference to the bad things that another ideology did, while their own people did things that were just as bad. The soviets are exactly the same to me as the nazis. And if some of those people replying would be smart enough to do so adequately, they would later find out that I have always lived in a post-soviet country, and I know pretty well the whole story behind the way it got into USSR, and how it got there, and what the communists did, for example, with more than 40000 people in one night from 6th of July to 7th of July 1949, in Bessarabia.