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Don’t underestimate the Rogansphere. His mammoth ecosystem is Fox News for young people

www.theguardian.com Don’t underestimate the Rogansphere. His mammoth ecosystem is Fox News for young people | Sam Wolfson

Podcasts like Joe Rogan’s and Theo Von’s aren’t on the fringes. Their blend of off-the-cuff, Trump-leaning commentary blurs traditional lines between left and right – and offers listeners companionship

Summary

The “Rogansphere,” a sprawling ecosystem of podcasts and online shows led by figures like Joe Rogan, has become a powerful cultural force for younger audiences, functioning as a “Fox News for the young.”

With its mix of anti-establishment rhetoric, distrust of Democrats, and casual conversations blending left-leaning and conservative ideas, it normalizes figures like Donald Trump for a disillusioned, lonely audience—particularly young men.

Democrats risk underestimating its influence, as this ecosystem fosters deep listener loyalty and has contributed to a significant shift in young male voters toward Trump.

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I'm not a Rogan fan and have only seen a couple of his "interviews" but the guy is really stupid. The ones I saw Rogan acted like the kid that didn't read the book before attempting to interview the author for three hours about the book.
It is all good to have an open mind but maybe not so open your brains fall out. Anyway, the problem I have is that these are not serious people, Rogan is either unwilling or unable to do even the most basic amount of research into a topic before platforming a guest. What is impressive to me is that people eat this shit up. Rogan is like Fox News because they are both just sugary nonsense with no meat and potatoes.
The way I see it these casters are doing to politics what Ancient Aliens did to history.
- You're absolutely right that he's dumb. It would therefore be extremely easy for progressives to get their message out because Joe isn't smart enough (nor cares to) push back. He just agrees with everything you say if you sound convincing. So why aren't Democrats and progressives going on his show? We've entered this spiral where people like Kamala don't want to "legitimize" him or whatever, despite him being the easiest person to talk to ever with a huge audience. Just play the game people! Ignoring this whole sphere isn't working.
  
  Ben Burgis went on his show a couple years ago, he wrote an article about it (https://jacobin.com/2022/04/the-joe-rogan-experience-podcast-democratic-socialism). Sam Seder just did an amazingly patient appearance on the Tim Pool show. So they get on the popular show and spend a ton of time just establishing basic reality with the hosts. Then we get stuff like Carlson not airing an interview with Rutger Bregman not because he was spouting white supremacists rhetoric but because he called for taxing the ultra wealthy. Carlson and Fox have no problem platforming the neo-nazis.
  The thing is all their shows and content are free and the right wing content is way more popular. People want their junk food content, the kind of stuff that makes them feel smart and never challenges them. Maybe we need to spend more time teaching viewers basic critical thinking skills and media literacy. Something like before youtube let's you play that third whatifalthist video you have to take a quiz that demonstrates you don't have donkey brains.
- I only knew him from fear factor, and i only watched a handful of episodes. I listened to his stand up, and it was fine. Not very funny, not terrible. I heard a lot about his podcast, but never listened to it, because it wasn't on spotify. Then it suddenly was and i gave it a go. The episode was the bob lazar episode, because i thought this might be fun. But it wasn't, he just agreed with everything and it was like listening to a warhammer 40k podcast where they talk about 40k as if it was actual (future) history. It was crazy to listen to, he would make up some ridiculous bullshit and joe just sat there: "oh wow, so you sat in a real spaceship? Nice dude."
- Not a Rogan fan, but to call him stupid makes you look extra stupid. I shouldn't need to elaborate on this, but let me know if you can't figure it out.
  
  You sound like a "Rogan fan". How much Rogan do you consume?
  
  Zero. I have friends who are Rogan fans so I consume vicariously you could say.
  
  Well, I was wrong then. But, I also know people who listen to him. In fact most people I know listen to him. I have heard him speak and declare him "stupid" as the previous poster said. His success in terms of reach, money, popularity, influence... is not challenged. But I see him and think "that guy is stupid". I admit I really liked Newsradio... Rogan can be stupid and successful, right? So, please elaborate. Why is that a wild opinion?
  
  Rogan, love or hate the guy, is successful. Whatever I think about the guy, or what you think about the guy, he's managed to navigate a vast gauntlet of unsuccessful endeavors. To me, that is success. One could argue luck, but (to me) luck is nothing more than opportunity meeting preparation.
  And while I've only listened to a few snippets from his show, I have listened to him commentate on whatever MMA circuit he commentates on and he has never sounded stupid.
  
  I do not love or hate the guy. I do not dispute that he is "successful" (in the he makes money sort of way). But that is totally unrelated to being him being stupid. I don't think one has any relation to the other. You can be stupid AND successful.

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