[Cars] Norway on track to be first to go all-electric
[Cars] Norway on track to be first to go all-electric
Nine in 10 new cars in the country are now battery-powered, and it aims to hit 100% later this year.
"Norway is the world leader when it comes to the take up of electric cars, which last year accounted for nine out of 10 new vehicles sold in the country."
How are they doing on developing public transportation infrastructure, though? That is going to be far more impactful longterm, and is the only way to build a sustainable transportation network.
When I went to Oslo I only took public transport.
I even used to to take the bus to the forest. I walked into the bush for hours then slept. Decided I couldn't be bothered walking back. Checked my paper map and walked into a one road town/suburb and took the bus back. That's how much faith I had that some random place would have a regular bus going to the city centre.
Trains in Nordic have been electric for a generation, starting from 60's.
Busses have been mostly electric in my knowledge about 10 years, I think most of them are ran by electric motor, which is charged with diesel if batteries run out.
Trams and metros have been electric for last 100 years.
Not surprising. Norway seems to be driving a lot of development away from excess energy use and oil. Not only in transportation, but also in real estate.
I know little of all projects there, but what I do know makes me want to go there and learn how to do better. When (not if) electric uptake nears 100%, like in Norway, things will start to happen in the market. Petrol stations, refineries etc. will see a very different demand, which will propel much needed change!
Can someone tell me how? EV’s perform terribly in extreme cold. If the car starts at all, the battery life absolutely tanks. We’ve had entire charging stations unable to function through the past couple weeks, as temperatures plummeted in many states.
Toyota had it right. We really need to be pushing for hydrogen cars. EV’s simply can’t perform in extreme cold, and the batteries explode or catch fire in extreme heat. That’s not the tech we should be investing in to carry us through the extreme temperature swings we’re experiencing during climate catastrophe.
I think the only logical conclusion would be EV actually work better in the cold than what you have been told. Maybe that's the same for charging stations or maybe Norway builds to a standard that fits their climate and doesn't cut corners.
It’s not just what I’ve been told. I’ve personally experienced the issues, as have thousands of others dealing with EV extreme cold problems the past couple of weeks in the eastern US.
If anyone has any further info, I’d love to find out what Norway could possibly be doing to address a fundamental issue with the technology. All I’ve been able to find is some workarounds to keep the cars still running, and just accepting worse performance in extreme weather.
I don’t understand why anti-hydrogen prejudice is so prevalent that we’ll put up with EV limitations before considering alternatives. Smells like EV investor propaganda & sunk cost fallacy to me.
EV’s simply can’t perform in extreme cold,
Given that we've moved almost all of Norway to EVs, that's obviously untrue. So if you re-examine that assumption, what new conclusions do you come to?
Norway got rich with petroleum products. Bunch of hypocrites.
"Got rich"
The profits are going in a fund that is kept for later on, it doesn't affect people's current finances. The only idiots here are all the countries that didn't nationalize their natural resources to do the same.
Alberta's oil reserve is massive compared to Norway, what they have to show for it is 18B while Norway has 1.75T saved.
They didn't get high on their own supply and got a massive national fund from it. A bit hypocritical but definitely nicely played. Better than most other countries who used that money for ego projects or imperialistic madness.
What are you thinking makes them hypocrites? Doesn't seem like doing something bad for the planet, then improving things is hypocritcal unless they start claiming they've always been perfect. At any rate, veats doubling down on petroleum like the US are currently doing.
They have not stopped exporting fossile fuels and to my knowledge at least they also don't plan to do so in the near future.
nah a lot of their stuff get subsidised by the EU too from what I've heard, I think the flip side of it is that they have long training and internship periods so almost everyone is in their 30s by the time they get anywhere. The irony is worrying about global warming when you live in a frozen hell.
The only reason Norway can afford electric cars is because of the wealth that comes from its oil and gas industry. This is why Norweigans who can afford to buy new cars can also afford electric cars.
So ... yay?
Not really. They have a very simple tax device that ensures EVs are cheaper than thermal cars. China has put in place something similar. It is not a rich country thing. It is about being serious about its transition
The real reason is because they have taxed the shit out of ICE's and EVs was exempt from a lot of taxes.
So for a lot of people, it really only makes sense to buy an EV because it is so much cheaper.
That's a load of bullshit, how is money going to a pension fund making the people richer when no money was withdrawn from it until 2016 even though it has existed since 1990?
They have a flat taxation rate of 22% with sales taxes at 25%. Compare that to the US with billionaires paying no taxes at all...
Money is taken from the sovreign wealth fund every year. However, it is not taken from the savings, but from interest. A maximum of 3% of the funds value can enter the budget, as decided by the budgetary rule.
Oil also makes people richer because it provides industry and jobs.
However, the reason people can afford electric vehicles is that they are excempt from value-added tax. VAT on new cars is quite high in Norway, so if this shaves $40 000 off the price of a new car it obviously makes them more lucrative by comparison.
It's a political decision, it's not that all Norwegians walk around with fuck you money and buy the most expensive cars on the market just for fun.