"Today"= 18 Months Ago

One could argue Linux, GPL, and Open Source are all based on woke communist concepts.
- I'd argue they are anarchist socialist, at least in terms of intellectual property as they are collaborative and free to access and use. With permissive licenses being more anarchist capitalist as you can capture and make a project uncollaborative.
  
  I would associate most of these concepts with GNU more than Linux.
  Richard Stallman is a hero.
  Torvalds isn't half bad either
  
  collaborative and free to access and use
  Except GPL which is literally "either join our socialist software revolution or fuck off and make your own software".

He is such a good role model for being wealthy.
He is, when it comes down to it, pretty wealthy. But we are talking about the guy who created the kernel that now runs nearly every Internet service, all Android phones, most streaming devices, and a lot of various embedded devices. Anyone else with that much impact would be a billionaire many times over.
But he's got a comfortable amount and has not exercised unreasonable ambition. A man who did someone very valuable and was well rewarded and sees no point in being any better off than he is.

I didn't know any of this man's views, I shouldve started using linux sooner
- honestly, do it. if your laptop gets old, no matter windows or mac, it will be dropped by windows/apple. Linux will make it last a lot longer and run it a lot smoother. Do the switch. And you can actually have your computer the way you want it, not how apple or windows want it to be.
- We all should have
- There are many good reasons to use and learn Linux. Political ideology of its creators is very much not one of them.
  They're largely professional people: their politics almost never influence what they're building in a practical way.
  The (generally) accepting and tolerant culture within which it was produced is part of what made it possible for it to be what it is, but you won't really see that in the software itself.
  
  Not a good reason for you, this is something that is only subjective lol

It's called "being a decent human". It doesn't take much but the right just can't comprehend that
- Hear me out, people who belong to this stupid label "the right" can also hold those values. Shocking, isn't it? I'll even out myself as one of those morally apprehensive people of this homogeneous group, which is the exact opposite to the homogeneous group "the left" (because you're either or, of course), ""the* right". But I still hold the same values as Linus mentions.
  
  Bro, idk how you are still Right-Wing then. What are these Right-Wing values that you hold?
  
  When you boil it down, being right wing means you value property rights over human rights, and left wing is vice versa. Right wing is maintaining wealth and power, and don't let anyone else get in the way of it.
  
  If you think you're on "the right" and are not advocating actively and persistently for Trump's removal from office, you're a fucking useless moron.
  
  Of course there's a spectrum. In the US, the spectrum only applies to the populace, though, as the politicians themselves are behaving so polarized that there only exists "the right" (far-right culture warriors) and "the left" (center-right with lip service to the left).
  
  Then you are either uninformed or somewhere the right is significantly less corrupt

Here in the Netherlands they accuse people of being a 'deugmens' which literally translates as being a 'virtuehuman', a human with virtues. Except for possible pretentiousness, having virtues is hardly a bad thing, quite the opposite. Being politically correct has negative connotations, but most of the time it's very easy to explain why something is politically incorrect, because the incorrect route has often proven in the past to be disastrous. People used to talk about 'political correctness gone mad' but now very often any political correctness is deemed bad. Woke is considered by some to be one of the worst insults you can get, but waking up and seeing that there is terrible inequity in this world, seeing that we are very whatever-centric in our thoughts/actions and questioning all that, is hardly a bad thing. Now the question is, do we need to reappropriate these words, reclaim and reframe them, or should we ignore them and move beyond them because people have been so deeply conditioned with 'woke=bad' no questions asked.
- Well said. The people that have been clamoring "wake up sheeple" are now mad that people are "woke".
- I've always had a suspicion that so many simple things that trigger the right, like wearing a mask during a pandemic, do so because they are simple nice things you can do and every time they see someone doing it, they inherently know they are bad - and so they want to force others to stop being nice so they don't have to face that reality anymore.
  
  Are they?
  The pandemic is a lie/is exaggerated -> there is no reason to wear a mask -> why is the gouvernment trying to make people wear masks, they must be hiding something
  
  This is my uneducated take :
  Conservatives have been taught to follow the leaders in their environment, without questions (see religion)
  It gives their leaders a lot of power and thus, there is a lot of incentives to become a leader through whatever means possible. It gives leaders power and influence.
  So comes along an issue and a non-conservative authority tells people they should do X. Conservatives leaders want more power and they hinge on that thing to gain more visibility and thus more power.
  The other conservatives see that their leader is against, and so they take their leaders stance without question and hate that thing too.
  Conservatives leader will say whatever they can without really really caring if that is true or not (remind you of someone?)
  It is a lot easier to rile up people with negative emotions and tribalism, so the conservative leaders use hate and fear to further their strength and influence.
- In Germany the derogatory term used is "Gutmensch", good human.
  It's the narrative the right has created, and you can see it in those terms. The narrative is of course that people on the left pretend to be full of virtue and good but in reality are dreamers full of idoologies that can't survive in the real world. That and not beeing able to practice what one preaches (like still using airplanes while advocating for a more sustainable lifestyle) are part of what they have constructed "woke people" to mean for them, as far as I understand it at least.
  
  Maybe I'm drawing a connection that isn't there, but I equate this with the behaviour in some circles of being suspicious of people who don't partake in drugs, drinking, corruption, debauchery, etc. It's kind of like you can't trust people unless they have some vice, or at least an "edge" to them.
  But maybe this behaviour is not related to this "deugmens" or "gutmensch" labeling.
  
  derogatory
  I suspect a lot of derogatory terms across many cultures/languages are generally rooted in sarcasm. Pointing out the irony/oxymoron in the term just makes them feel/act even more self-righteous.
- Gutmensch in German usually refers to people who try to appear good and make decisions they feel are good without questioning if the side effects are harmful. Also they expect others to do the same without regard for their ability to do so (e.g. I manage to avoid plastic bags, so you must too. Which is at least somewhat reasonable. But I manage to live without a car so you must too is difficult for some part of the rural population.)
  
  I live in buttfuck nowhere - France.
  We need cars because the railways were deemed not profitable. We need cars because investment in busses is often very limited (depending on where you live). We need cars because village markets are dying and we then have to go to the supermarket the town over.
  We need cars because of the capitalist atomisation of society.
  And even then, the vast majority of our trips are very short (< 40' round trip'). The car we need the most is a very small, kinda lowtech electric one. But those don't exist as much...
  In our 750 people village, I think we'd need about 1 car for every 3 to 5 families and 3 trucks.
  TL;DR: Rural people need cars. But we don't need big ones for most of our usage. We need better public transportation. Personal car ownership is dumb and wasteful.

If you believe in equality, you're woke. You're also a socialist. Because since fascism is a sincere belief in inequality based on identity, while neoliberalism (democrats) is a sincere belief in inequality based on class / wealth.
So yeah, this belief in equality or basic human decency needs to be destroyed in order to maximize profit. Invest in this propaganda, great ROI guaranteed!
- neoliberalism (democrats) is a sincere belief in inequality based on class / wealth
  This is actually a misconception! Liberalism (or neoliberalism, as the pejorative goes) is about allowing individuals the ability to dictate their own life on their own terms. Liberals want most of the same things you do, probably: clean air, a reduction in carbon emissions, everybody has a roof over their heads. guaranteed access to healthcare, and dense, walkable cities. The difference is the means by which liberals want to achieve these things. Liberals believe that the government should play as small a roll as necessary to guarantee these things, usually through economic incentives and staying out of the way of the free flow of commerce. Liberals do employ government action when necessary (i.e, making it illegal to dump toxic waste in to rivers).
  Liberals also believe that the government should strongly guarantee legal equality and should generally do what it can to provide equal opportunities to everyone. Liberals think it should be illegal to discriminate against someone based on sex, race, sexual orientation, and other factors of one's birth.
  The point of liberalism is to lower the horizons of government. In the 16th century Europeans were quite busy slaughtering each other over what the official religion of their kingdom should be. Liberalism emerged as way to manage sectarian conflict from spilling over into actual violence by disestablishing state churches, or at least significantly reducing the political power of clergy. Liberals apply this principle to other aspects of governance
  
  Liberals are pro-capitalism, which is the ultimate mechanism for inequality.
  "Neoliberalism" isn't a pejorative, it's a political philosophy that has dominated the Western world for about 50 years, though it has roots much further back. It is a philosophy embraced by both Republicans and Democrats. It's about privatization of services, lowering taxes, and deregulating corporations. It's why we have for profit healthcare in the US, for example.
  
  Recommend reading the book The Quiet Coup by Mehrsa Baradaran. Neoliberalism isn't benign, could be considered akin to modern centrism, and above all else works to protect capitalism and the status quo in predictable ways that allow for exploitation. Which is exactly why corporate monarchy is now taking over our country in place of capitalism.
  
  I agree that many who vote for liberals believe those things, but those are not the goal of liberal parties. The historical meaning of liberalism was the same as what is called neoliberalism today. Calling it a derogatory term is just pretending to be a victim. There IS such an ideology as "belief in inequality based on wealth" and that includes the right to survive through access to healthcare. That is reality.
  You argue as if good arguments win, and ideology matters - it doesn't work that way. Ideology is merely a tool. There is only power, or money that you can exchange for power. And those who desire nothing except power have a competitive advantage to gain more power and shape the world over people who want other things. There is a selection process that has been going for decades that precludes normal people like us two.
  Politicians in the US might write some other virtues on their flags, or they might even delude themselves to believe them - that is actually best. But when the chips are down, only those who pursue power gain more power. I believe this could be scientifically proven with game theory and a simulation.
  What you are doing is kind of denying that economic power (or capital, or billionaires) have an overwhelming influence on politics and policies. If you say that the conservatives or democrats or whoever does this or that for ideological reasons, you deny political reality and obscure paths to improve things. We need transparency and better tools and countermeasures to these mechanisms.
  Politicians are chosen by capitalists among thousands of candidates, and only the fringe that happen to fit into their plans are funded. Those who want power above anything else and who have neoliberal tendencies. The useful idiots to capitalists.
  So no, neoliberalism is not a derogatory term that should be avoided. It's reality. Or how else do you explain Elon Musk running DOGE?

I've always liked Torvalds' blunt style.
Sometimes it works against him, but at least he's consistent about it.
Also, where do I sign up for my atheist card?
- We get cards now?
- Attorney General Office - Anti Christian Task Force
  
  Wow, that task force sounds like it does something very different from what it actually is supposed to do.

Very loose definition of "leftist" there but we take a W where we can.
- Why are leftists the absolute worse for gatekeeping what makes a true leftist?
  
  It's not gatekeeping, none of the opinions shared here by Linus are categorically leftist. The person retweeting him is erroneously putting him into a box, or knows more about his full ideology than he's shared in the tweet.
  
  It's not gatekeeping to point out that 'leftist' historically doesn't mean 'left of center'. It's used as a reductive - but that's the nature of trying to reduce political ideologies to a single term - label for ideologies that are anti-capitalist. Nothing Linus said in this post points to him being anti-capitalist, he only commented on social issues.
  He might still be a leftist, I'll give you that, but this post doesn't really show that.
  
  Because the direction "left" doesn't actually have any inherent relationship to political ideologies, but people strive for some kind of ideological purity, especially to draw a contrast with a fundamentally unjust society?
  
  To keep out fascists and centrists, quite obviously.
  
  https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/
  The answer is that it's complicated.
  
  The revolution eats their own children. No matter how left you are, someone is more left than you.
- Linus is basically a "centrist dad" but that's fine with me.
- my first thought exactly, when did Linus became a lefist?

I've started replying "ok, dozer" to anyone who complains about "wholeness" to me. The ennui I have with the regressives is just beyond description anymore.
- I like this word to describe those responsible for us all going backwards now: regressives.
  
  I'm going to start using this
- Dozer sounds too cool, now bout nappers? It sounds like the british word for diapers
  
  I like dozer because it not only suggests they're asleep, but it also suggests bulldozer, which is what the people they voted for are doing to the country and world.
- what do you mean by complaining about wholeness?
  
  Autocorrect for 'wokeness'?
  
  Haha I totally missed that and I even proofread. That'll learn me to post in a precaffeinated state.
- What kind of lameass comeback is that? You can do better.
  
  I mean you're right, but January/February is always a low ebb for the spice level in my life.

Anyone looking for the post, here https://social.kernel.org/objects/60bcac97-e7c7-4899-a1b6-bb72196cddaf

how refreshing :)

Linus Torvalds Comments On The Russian Linux Maintainers Being Delisted

soon the government will be run entirely on TeslaOS

Rare Linux W
- If by rare you mean extremely common
  
  By rare I mean rare. But maybe its just the users that are insanely annoying.

Lol to people that believe this is left. This is central. You know there is a party to support these beliefs? It's called the libertarian party, Google it. You didn't have to vote for someone who doesn't represent you as a person regardless of what the Internet says!?

Can't wait for Lemmy to jack themselves off to this while not analyzing all the eugenics, sexism, racism, and various other horrible bullshit on here every day that goes completely unconfronted
Ya'll ain't even white knights. You ain't even keyboard warriors. You don't even address the trash in your own yard. None of you shitballs is a feminist, communist, woke, or left in any regard.

Watching Linus take a big public dump on someone who deserves it is one of life's finest guilty pleasures. It's like a Maya Angelou poem. You can tell he really cared, and meant it, and took some time to get it right.
- Reading his words really slams home which side of the political spectrum truly believes in personal freedom and liberty. And it's not the side that promotes fascism and wants to implement a Christian version of Sharia law under the Ten Commandments.

Just how fucking dense do you have to be in order to be surprised that a man who created one of the most popular operating systems on Earth, and then gave it away for free, might be a leftist?
- Right wingers are extremely stupid and don't really understand what the left stands for, they fall for all fox news strawman arguments and rage bait.
  
  This is unfortunately true of both sides.
  For example, conservatives think pro- choicers are callous baby-killers who only care about abortion because it allows them to "whore around" without consequences. Liberals on the other hand, think pro-lifers are misogynists who want to ban abortion because banning it will hurt women and because they want to make the country more like The Handmaid's Tale.
- There's some libertarians in the FOSS community as well, so it's not a guarantee, but yeah, generally you'll find that correlation.
  
  In my experience the Foss community tends towards the "legal weed and less cops" style of libertarianism and less the "police exist to protect my right to 3 12 year old wives from the tyranny of criticism" style.
  I can generally get along with the "coercion bad" libertarians better than with the "abolish the government because rules shouldn't exist" crowd.
- created one of the most popular operating systems on Earth, and then gave it away for free
  He didn't created it alone and "then" gave it away for free. Since it's begging Linux was free and that created a community who made it the most popular OS.
  
  "...or as I like to call it gnu plus linux..."
  
  Yes. It's called summarizing. Obviously it's a bit more complicated. I'm not writing an essay on the history of Linux here.
- I'm sorry Richard, I'm not calling it GNU plus Linux no matter how accurate it is.
  
  I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
  Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
  There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
  
  Yes, yes, and it's NT/Windows or as I've taken to calling it NT+Windows...
  This point is pedantic and tired to the point that it has become an infamous copypasta.
  It's also, at least as stated here, not even technically correct. A kernel is an operating system all on it's own. It just can't do much.
  GNU just provides the software that the user interacts with.
  Additionally, there are a number of Linux distros that are entirely free of GNU software.
  Just about everyone understands what you mean when you call Linux an OS. The pedantry is unneeded.
  
  It's actually a sandwich.
  
  i cant believe this guy invented popcorn :o
  
  I never know wether to upvote or downvote this comment
  
  How so you differentiate with non-Linux GNU systems?
  The kernel is the OS

Wait you mean the guy who made a free and open source operating system for everyone to share is left wing!?!?!? WHAT THE FFUUUU
- There are a great number of nutjobs running (F)OSS projects, so I wouldn't assume much about any software maintainer. Also, Linus explicitly only cites upsides to FOSS that pertain to developing the software itself, not to any greater social effort.
  
  Soapbox dude
  
  TempleOS comes to mind...
- *Kernel
  
  Don't undermine the fact that Linus also made Git and I'm pretty sure some scuba diving app. Modern day essentials if you ask me!

I think he isn't a leftist, but just reasonable
- In the USA the republicans simply are such morons currently that anything reasonable appears to be leftist.
  I'm center-right in Austria but US-americans would call me a woke communist (and in many regards I'm more leftist than the democrats).
- Maybe it's just the .world folks but yeah somehow "leftist" on this site has come to mean "left of the American center"...
- All it takes to be a leftist these days is to not go out of your way every day to be a raging cunt.
  
  As long as you ignore .ml, hexbear, and -grad, sure I guess. Ime there's cunts everywhere, ymmv.
  
  Basic human decency. That's seriously all it takes.
  
  I'm sorry, is my BEING AN ASSHOLE triggering you???
  Snowflake.
  (do NOT make fun of my $1,000.00 USD trump branded FREEDOM sneakers or I'll get upset 😡 they were NOT a scam)
  
  Or at least show some remorse if you do!
- I see a lot of overlap from where I'm standing.

In Europe, Linus is probably right of centre. Just let anyone do whatever except walk around with a gazillion firearms because that’s just insane.
- nah even in Europe being trans friendly makes you at least left leaning
  we're not many miles ahead in the societal run towards progress and acceptance, the US is just sprinting the wrong way
  
  LGBT has always been a target.
  The "good guys" still (chemically) castrated one of their greatest minds that won the war for ten, just because he happened to like dicks.
  Theres a reason people wanted to reduce the victims of the Holocaust to just being Jewish and ignored all the other groups that both sides wanted to persacute.
  They did the same thing this time, target LGBT to build the movement and are now expanded to other groups.
  Hopefully everyone stands up while we still have the numbers, otherwise they'll keep chipping away fringe groups.
  
  In Europe being trans friendly has fuck-all to do with your political leanings on the left-right axis. It's just USA warping the political discourse with their literally one-dimensional politics.
  
  Nah it really depends.
  While the right tends to be religious and does not really approve anything LGBTQ-related, they've learned to behave and to mind their own business, which is actually fine. Respect other people, even if you don't agree with them and as long as nobody's getting hurt, we can all live happy lives.
  This new wave of "America-style" extreme right lunatics though, that's a different story. Those entitled fuckers feel they're allowed to mess with other people's lives, and they're due a harsh lesson in civility.
  
  You don't even have to be trans friendly. He never said he was friendly. You can just not care about what other people do with their lives.
  
  What the Americans call libertarians have some minority representation in Europe and they’re tolerant of minorities. Not as good as leftists but better than conservatives.
  
  It's pretty hard to make an accurate blanket statement about what the US believes any more. There really are two very different Americas, and the evil one is in power.

TIL Linus is capable of decency. Occasionally.
- As long as the code you submit is quality. Otherwise brace for impact.
  
  Well. He's gotten better.
  I think he really struggled understanding that he was seen as a leader, and that people were modelling his behavior because he was setting the standard. Once he realized that, his criticisms became more... measured.
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoliticallyCorrectVillain
  
  Must... Resist... TVTropes... Link...
  
  Idk, it's more of a Dr. Cox from Scrubs situation. Clearly not the "villain" but definitely abusive on his way to do good works.
  I guess it's "Jerk With a Heart of Gold" but it's not very zippy.
- He's also mellowed as he's gotten older
  
  makes you wonder what the reply would have been like 10 years ago. probably something along the lines "just breathing the same air as you already makes me feel stupider..."
- He is offensively decent.
- A compassionate misanthrope. I can relate.

The Right doesn't care what people actually believe.
They happily quote MLK on a daily basis.
Ray Bradbury was always anti-fascist, but he called out President Obama because there were no space missions during the Obama terms. After Bradbury died the Right tried to cherry pick quote to make him look like a life long Republican.
- per Bradbury's Wikipedia Article
  "Bradbury considered himself a political independent.[83] Raised a Democrat, he voted for the Democratic Party until 1968. In 1952, he took out an advertisement in Variety as an open letter to Republicans, stating: "Every attempt that you make to identify the Democratic Party as the party of Communism, as the 'left-wing' or 'subversive' party, I will attack with all my heart and soul."[84] However, Lyndon B. Johnson's handling of the Vietnam War left Bradbury disenchanted, and from 1968 on he voted for the Republican Party in every presidential election with the exception of 1976, when he voted for Jimmy Carter. According to Bradbury's biographer Sam Weller, Carter's inept handling of the economy "pushed [Bradbury] permanently away from the Democrats".[83]
  Bradbury called Ronald Reagan "the greatest president" whereas he dismissed Bill Clinton, calling him a "shithead".[85] In August 2001, shortly before the September 11 attacks, he described George W. Bush as "wonderful" and stated that the American education system was a "monstrosity".[86] He later criticized Barack Obama for ending NASA's crewed space flight program.[85]
  In 2010, he criticized big government, saying that there was "too much government" in America, and "I don't believe in government. I hate politics. I'm against it. And I hope that sometimes this fall, we can destroy part of our government, and next year destroy even more of it. The less government, the happier I will be".[85] Bradbury was against affirmative action, condemned what he called "all this political correctness that's rampant on campuses", and called for a ban of quotas in higher education.[21][85] He asserted that "[e]ducation is purely an issue of learning—we can no longer afford to have it polluted by damn politics".[21]"
  
  Yeah that's uh... that sounds about right. I wonder a lot about that generation.
  Would Rod Serling, a humanist at heart, who campaigned to bring black actors onto mainstream TV sets, and always sent a message that the individual should always fight against an oppressive regime.... would he too be lost in a sea of republicanism as he got older and the world changed around him?
  I'm glad we'll never know.
- Bradbury needed to look closer then because Obama was working on NASA to get it built back up. Trump didn't magically make rockets available in a couple years. That stuff takes a very long lead time to get right.
  
  That stuff takes a very long lead time to get right.
  Yet somehow, people still think Mr. "We'll be on Mars by 2025," who is still launching rockets that explode mid-air, should be allowed to throw out this tried and true method. Surely, the idea of "move fast and break things" is more financially responsible than polluting debris and waste over the country. Fucking monorail salesman...
- "The devil can cite scripture for his purpose."

Linus. The hero we need. But not the hero we deserve.
- He's an asshole, but god damn it, he's our asshole.
  
  Everyone needs an asshole otherwise you're just full of shit.

"I... I was just asking why my WiFi driver isn't working."
- You jest but it's because you chose a manufacturer that made a closed-source driver minefield and the volunteer paramedics haven't been able to get to you yet.
  
  Luckily we don't need to be quite so diligent with the choice of wifi chips as we used to. Too many still have binary blob drivers from the manufacturer
- This NIC is woke.
  
  Since I had it handy, here's the source meme for the uninitiated:
  
  Ahh...they had woke_on_lan enabled. That'll do it.

I'm sorry, and I don't want to be disrespectful or rude, but as a person who has no clue about computers I am very surprised the creator of Linux is still alive. I somehow thought he is super old and probably dead by now or at least not using the internet. I'm so sorry for my ignorance.
Edit: Thank you everyone for the many interesting replies, I've learned a lot of random stuff which I greatly appreciate!
- He's 55 years old
- Computer aren’t very old! Most of the pioneers are still alive and kicking
  
  That's the thing, my dad was one of the first informatics people (computer based algebra in Russia and Germany) and my mom did her thesis on how to design a cigar shaped body in 3D on a computer. But they are in their mid to late 60s now and my dad went from being a professor of IT to "how do I open the internet" so my confusion is based on bias from my family. All his former colleagues also didn't stay up to date with technology and they worked for an elite university in Germany.
  Anyway, good that they are alive and kicking! And glad their kicks are not so random as my folks'.
- The people that invented the internet are still using it!
  https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee
  
  The web, not the internet.
  
  Al Gore is still alive!
- A good benchmark is Windows 95, and that was only 30 years ago.
  It's easy to remember because the 95 means 1995. And 19 means the before fore times our ancestors are from.
  
  Ouch. Fucking ouch. We're right here you know. Looking over your shoulder as you write on that magic tablet. No need to denigrate ghosts.
- Dude wrote the first Linux kernel in grad school in his early-mid 20s. He's like 50 something now.
  Unix predates Linux by a bit, but most of those old guys made it to at least the Obama era.
  Vint Cerf is still around, and he got to see himself portrayed in one of the Matrix films.
  
  A hint is Unix time counts seconds from 1970-01-01
- Linux was "invented" in 1991, FYI, and Linus was a student at the time.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux#The_creation_of_Linux
- Don’t feel shameful, you’re one of the lucky ten thousand
- Your ignorance is adorable; keep it up and don't stop being inquisitive or apologetic of it.
  
  Thanks man, I'll try my best
- Linux is not that old. There's a reason why the "Actually it's GNU+Linux.." meme exists, because Linux is built using tools that were already around, he didn't start entirely from scratch.
  
  Oof for someone who isn't tech savvy this was a hard read but I appreciate it!
  My experience with Linux - and as I now know, probably GNU? - is limited to not pressing a button while my dad's computer at work turned on so that I would end up in not in Windows. He had one amazing game on Linux where some troll had to roll stones (I wish I could find it again). I came to work with him every now and then and was allowed to play while he would half desperately half violently try to get rid of the chaos on his desk, which consisted of about 700 pounds of paper and occasional random paper clips.
  I loved these days. And the canteen's gravy with rice for some reason.
  (Edit: this was in the mid to late 90s)
  
  @RedSnt @volvoxvsmarla Well... not all of them. There is strongat least one/strong a href="https://chimera-linux.org/"Linux distribution/a that's decided to use a BSD userland instead of a GNU one, so I guess it could be called BSD/Linux...
  (and no, I'm not associated with them. Right now I run Ubuntu, but project #3 on my list of personal projects is customizing either CachyOS or OpenMandriva to my taste, complete with custom repos, I haven't decided yet.)
- Heh, back in the early 2000s when I was busy reading up on computer history I was very surprised that a lot of Internet standard pioneers and computer science giants were still alive. Like, people from the stone age. This is such a young field.
  I seriously thought John McCarthy (creator of Lisp programming language) had reached such a status of existence that he would probably never die. (sadly, he did.)
- You might be thinking of Unix, which is what Linux is based on but not really. Unix was created in the 1960s and for sure the people who created it are passed
  
  Actually, Ken Thompson and Douglas McIlroy are still alive
  
  Brian kernighan is still writing code, at least as of 2022:
  https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/unix-legend-who-owes-us-nothing-keeps-fixing-foundational-awk-code/
- The cognitive dissonance of just how fast technology has advanced is pretty crazy huh

It's times like these where you're reminded that Linus is awesome.
- You're mistaken. He's good and talented, but you're mistaking normal human care for humans for awesomeness
  I suspect your perception is warped by all the people in power in America right now

To be fair what he's described is at most Progressive. The left rejects the current economic model as a start. Workers owning the means of production instead of an owner class.
- There's a whole lot of river to swim between fair and equal treatment and full fledged socialism. Not everyone on "the left" sleeps with Karl Marx under their pillow.
  
  Oh definitely. it's a spectrum, but his post doesn't go that far left. The idea that any of that is "left wing" is spread by conservatives to make those ideas look radical.
  
  Many here will argue if you aren't pure you aren't left in any flavor.
- I don’t really know much about his personal politics, but his work seems to speak pretty loudly about rejecting the idea of software as private property to be bought and sold by capital, which, you know, that’s more than just progressive, even if it’s just in one area.
  
  I'm just commenting on what's there.
- An ally is an ally
  
  Yup, my point is not that he isn't an ally, it's that being an ally isn't inherently leftist.

I got all excited cause I saw that Linus had a mastodon account and I went to follow and saw that I already followed and he hasn't posted since early last year..... ah well, good on ya 2023 Torvalds
- Despite him not posting, I visit his Mastodon profile from time to time. It has such a cute sea turtle banner. Glad to see that despite him being a kernel developer titan, he still spares a thought for the humble shell programmers too.
- Exact same boat...

Unfortunately, it's true: Linux is woke. And DEI. And gay.
We need to get Elon Musk and the DOGE team on this, stat!
- i think this type of comment works better with a "/s"
  
  /s is the worst thing to happen to Internet discussion, at least recently.
  
  No, 'cause the /s cheapens the experience of good sarcasm.
  
  And a ward against the evil eye

Linus is my favourite centrist <3

Oh please give me more Daddy Linux!

And Linux usage skyrockets to record heights.

What a legend. Had a similar rant to my Aunt a few months ago

TIL people still use twitter.

"Well regulated" translated from 1700's speak just means "in good working order", not meaning regulated by a bureaucracy issuing permits.
The intention was for state governors not having to rely solely on National Guardsman or Federal government, and can simply pluck a militia ran by civilians who developed a military-like hierarchy in their organization to answer to said governor of the state in order to address issues withinthe states with threats of violence.
- Oh shit, well case closed!
  Just like Justice Scalia, you are able to hand-wave away ~200 years of precedent because it suits your pre-held ideology.
  
  ~200 years of precedent
  I anal, so hopefully you can provide me shit to read about this precedence and help me change my mind.
- What exactly do you think that militia was for? Because I'll give you a hint: it wasn't to fight against a tyrannical government.
  https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002107670/historian-uncovers-the-racist-roots-of-the-2nd-amendment
  
  Everything that NPR article mentioned is, without sarcasm, absolutely and factually correct, and legitimately not possible to refute.
- “Well regulated” translated from 1700’s speak just means “in good working order”, not meaning regulated by a bureaucracy issuing permits.
  Assuming that to be true, what does "militia" mean when translated from 1700's speak?
  
  A militia in 1700's speak is simply a group of able-bodied males who own and are trained to use their own personally procured firearms, and serve their local government (village, city, or state). That way the local government doesnt need to pay money out of local city/state funds to arm them and train them and eventually mobilise them to arms.

I hate both religon and atheism but agree with everything else Linus has to say
Edit:
I would have edited my comment to explain why but the existing downvotes would cast a negative view of any explanation I do give since people online tend to disregard comments with downvotes
Also the downvotes killed any mental will and motivation to type up and clearly think of an explanation in addition to the reasoning above
Maybe I'll come back later and edit my comment again if I actually get that mental will and motivation back but it's not likely
- Atheism includes both those that passionately disagree that gods exist and those that simply do not believe in deities. So you hate both people that believe in deities (religion), and all atheists. I guess you left out non-religious non-theist's.. People who don't believe in theism but have some kind of pagan belief system.
  That's a very small ellipsis of the Venn diagram you're carving out of people you don't hate.
  Crystal girls that list 'spiritual but not religious' on their Tinder?
  
  I can relate to what the person is saying and for me it's more about people knowing something that they can't prove.
- Wait, do you mean theism and atheism, or explicitly organized religion and atheism?
  Because the first just means you hate /_{gestures vaguely\} and the second makes me question how you can hate a lack of belief in something.
  
  atheism isn't a lack of belief. Atheists belive that there is no god. Someone who doesn't believe in either or is an agnostic.

so if he was a nazi, then we should follow the guidance of our lord and savior and agree with everything he thinks because linux. we should advocate for more sheep mentality idiolizing celebs and computer geeks. \s
- You're in a blog memes community dude. It's literally all screenshots of blog posts idk what you expect other than like.. screenshots of noteworthy peoples social media posts and related memes.
  I actiallyvthink the open source community (and wider programming in general) are very proactive in calling out and speaking out against poor behaviour among their community leaders and peers. Just off the top of my head I can think of:
  PolyMC dev who came out stating he is very against queers and leftists. Rest of his dev team goes "OK bye" and forks the project. Their project, Prism MC now has more than 3* the stars on GitHub as the original project, indicating much larger userbase and following.
  The developer of the most popular game of all time, Minecraft, Markus Persson (Notch) made a number of posts on Twitter that were your standard anti-feminist, anti-trans, pro-white alt-lite chud crap, and this enormously popular billionaire is now persona non grata in the Minecraft community and unwelcome even by Microsoft.
  The problem you allude to (blind hero worship) is really a far more common occurrence amongst the right wing, because as conservatives they seek to preserve existing structures of power and tradition above all else. Leftists seek egalitarianism. These two ideas are incompatible which is the whole reason they're branded as opposing ends of the political spectrum.
  
  I agree with all you said, but I only disagree that I don't believe that 'hero worship' is rightwing-exclusive.
  I also love these two examples you mentioned of PolyMC and Mincraft boycotting and branching away from inhumanity
- Pretty sure people admire him because he shares their values, which is not at all what you're describing. Which value that he listed above do you have a problem with and why?