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Gen Z are over having their work ethic questioned: ‘Most boomers don’t know what it’s like to work 40+ hours a week and still not be able to afford a house’

fortune.com Gen Z are over having their work ethic questioned: ‘Most boomers don’t know what it’s like to work 40+ hours a week and still not be able to afford a house’'

One Gen Zer went viral for explaining how much easier life was for boomers.

Gen Z are over having their work ethic questioned: ‘Most boomers don’t know what it’s like to work 40+ hours a week and still not be able to afford a house’'

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Gen Z are over having their work ethic questioned: ‘Most boomers don’t know what it’s like to work 40+ hours a week and still not be able to afford a house’

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And yet Gen Z turned out for... Trump? He'll surely help the economy and enable a new era of magically plentiful high paying, stable jobs.
- Less than half of us voted. As a member of Gen Z who DID vote for Khamala its because the only good thing she does is not be Trump.
  A good portion of our generations more liberal/left-leaning side just got done having the shit beaten out of them by cops before getting kicked out of school for protesting against the genocide in Gaza.
  What makes you think any of these people want to turn around and vote for a law-and-order ex-DA who's ignoring some of the worst atrocities of our times?
  Everyone in this generation who isn't jaded and disillusioned is a fascist or fascist sympathiser (same difference :p). No one has the energy to care let alone vote.
  They probably won't until establishment democrats keel over, and unfortunately it looks like medical science kept them alive and puttering until it was too late.
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  Less than half of us voted.
  Ah yes. The “I didn’t vote” excuse so I can absolve myself from why this country is turning to shit.
  If you didn’t vote YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
  If you didn’t vote you effectively voted for Trump. If you didn’t vote you already accept Trump as the result. If you didn’t vote you’re a fucking moron who deserves all the pain this admin brings.
  
  Boomers protested Vietnam. Millennials Iraq.
  Kids want change. Sometimes that is for a good cause and sometimes it is about draining the swamp and hurting others.
  But if you needed to be convinced that it was worth voting against a rapist fascist who hid nothing? You were never an ally.
  
  Its not that they need convincing to vote against it, its that they needed to be convinced their vote would even fucking do anything.
  Most of us are convinced that we're dying in the climate wars before we hit middle age regardless of who we vote for, the rest where the dipshits that went out and voted for Trump.
  
  And a rapist openly running on project 2025 would not be any "fucking" different?
  
  Would it make my life and the lives of millions of other Americans easier by not having a target painted on our backs for probably as long as our country stands? (We'll probably never see another election again IMO) Yeah sure, that's why I voted for Khamala.
  That being said she wasn't going to do anything to meaningfully stop the horrors of late stage capitalism. Either way I'm probably going to die by middle age in the climate wars.
  Its just now that they'll happen even sooner, and now I have to worry about being put in a camp because of my prescription to estrogen.
  Ones certainly worse, but neither actually seemingly give me the possibility of living a full and happy life. Even if I do make it to old age I'll be living in a dying world, clinging to whatever habitable sliver of earth I'd have the privilege of finding.
  Honestly until we start being friendly and share cookies with the ghouls hiding behind the funds managed by Americas institutional investment firms which collectively own everything, I don't think we'll be solving anything.
  
  Yeah sure, that’s why I voted for Khamala.
  I'm starting to disbelieve you since you've misspelled her name twice and it was on signs everywhere.
  
  Actually that level of ignorance is pretty on par for the average American voter.
  
  The average American voter doesn't refuse to vote because no one will end the horror of late-stage capitalism. They don't even know that's a thing. This person is talking like they are an informed voter but can't spell the name of the person they claimed to have voted for. I am doubtful.
  That and I just looked at their history and they joined Lemmy 16 days ago.
  
  No I was taking a shot at myself for misspelling a name, that's the joke.
  
  Ah, sorry, I was talking to the troll themselves. My mistake. How depressingly dull that you don't actually believe any of this and want people to think you do.
  
  Its just now that they'll happen even sooner, and now I have to worry about being put in a camp because of my prescription to estrogen.
  And that alone should have been reason enough for anyone who actually gave even the slightest of shits.
  Growing up is realizing you aren't going to win. But you can lessen harm.
  
  Yeah except that for previous generations not "winning" wasn't an inherent global existential threat.
  Its hard to be motivated when you know either way you're not getting the full life you where promised. Especially when the issue at hand is someone else's problem. (From the perspective of my cis Gen Z counterparts.)
  I'm not saying its the right way to operate, I'm saying its how lots of people do naturally. Its unfortunately human, and its taken advantage of by design.
  Its easy to keep people preoccupied when they're a weeks pay away from starvation.
  
  Yeah except that for previous generations not “winning” wasn’t an inherent global existential threat.
  It's been that way at least ever since the invention of the atom bomb.
  So, yeah a global existential threat has been there for going on 80 years. And that one is quite obvious. And climate change was in the news for over 110 years, if you can believe it.
  https://theconversation.com/for-110-years-climate-change-has-been-in-the-news-are-we-finally-ready-to-listen-188646
  
  I'm not saying its the right way to operate, I'm saying its how lots of people do naturally. Its unfortunately human, and its taken advantage of by design.
  And a lot of people are selfish hateful assholes who never actually cared about the social good and only ever wanted an adventure and for themselves to get ahead.
  Gen z are not unique. Again, millennials and even boomers have stood where you stand.
  As for a lack of a future? Millennials aren't that much older and we are just as fucked.
  
  Things don't work that way. It is much easier to tear something down. This election was about the old neoliberals vs. populist MAGA. There was no one playing for the progressives or democratic socialism on that field.
  Now Trump and his ilk might fuck their little coup up and end up losing power in the midterms, but it'll probably be back in the direction of rule of law neoliberal politics. If you want to see your voice being heard first you need someone that will listen. If you believe in human rights and basic equality Trump and MAGA aren't it. Elon Musk will not be listening to you and doesn't give a shit about regular folks. Those tech bros are happy that opiates are available to occupy the unemployed useless masses.
  
  "We did nothing and we're out of ideas" is not the good argument you seem to think it is.
  
  Oh sweety, its not that I don't have ideas, its that most of them are rule breaking. :)
  
  Oh sorry, "I have ideas but did nothing about them" is not the good argument you seem to think it is.
  
  I think she got so many votes because she wasn't Trump. And thats it. She was so frustrating as a candidate who was "super Law and Order DA from liberal land, California. She's the best of both worlds!"
  Christ she was so bad at being charismatic. I liked her when she made fun of Trump so hard he refused to ever debate her again. But then she tried to play both sides and toured with Liz Cheney. It's like, the entire message of her failed campaign will look at all the answers but the right one: she wasn't an active evil fascist. She just supported fascism her whole life and learned to make concessions to sound more progressive. Gen Z will learn to hate the DNC.
  
  She had a lot of potential as a candidate that the DNC just refused to use.
  
  Just like Bernie
  
  Less than half of us voted. As a member of Gen Z who DID vote for Khamala its because the only good thing she does is not be Trump.
  WHICH IS WHY YOU VOTE FOR SOMEONE.
  God I hate that Americans have decided that you vote for the person you like rather than vote to stop the worst person.
  You're never going to get a pony, so do what you can or they'll make you be a pony. And not in a happy way. In a "work in the mines all your life" way.
  Oh well, too late now.
  
  WHICH IS WHY YOU VOTE FOR SOMEONE.
  They said to the person who voted blue. Im not telling you don't vote, I'm telling you why most people my age who didn't want Trump didn't vote. I don't know what more you want from me.
  You're never going to get a pony, so do what you can or they'll make you be a pony. And not in a happy way. In a "work in the mines all your life" way.
  Ending the horrors of late stage capitalism isn't asking for a pony its the bare minimum to ensure the continued survival of our species.
  
  who didn't want Trump didn't vote
  So you don’t want Trump, so your decision is to not vote?
  Is your generation brain dead or something?
  
  I’m telling you why most people my age who didn’t want Trump didn’t vote.
  And I explained why they were wrong. I'm not sure why you think this is all about you.
  Ending the horrors of late stage capitalism isn’t asking for a pony
  I have not heard a single person anywhere claim that's why they didn't vote. Not one. The biggest claim I heard is that neither candidate appealed or excited them. I heard that many times. Nothing about capitalism, just about the laziness of thinking you have to like a candidate to do the bare minimum of voting.
  
  God I hate that Americans have decided that you vote for the person you like rather than vote to stop the worst person.
  Turns out game theory [as described in this election] doesn't describe how people (on aggregate) actually behave. It does describe how some people think people should behave (I may sometimes agree), but not how they actually do.
  If I know you rationally follow game theory [as described], I'm going to offer you far less than anyone else because I know game theorists [as...] take any win, no matter how small. Ultimatum game? I offer everyone a 50-50 split, except game theorists, to whom I offer a penny. They'll take it too.
  Dems didn't appeal to how people actually act, and so you all lost. Their supporters refused to acknowledge the reality of how groups behave, and so you all lost. ["you" means all of America - added for the misunderstanding]
  
  so you all lost
  Are you claiming I am a Democrat? Can you present some evidence to that effect?
  
  Are you claiming I am a millionaire? Can you present some evidence to that effect? If you're gonna tilt at windmills this conversation is pointless.
  
  So no, you can’t. You just accuse people of things whether they’re true or not. I’m not sure why you think it’s okay to lie.
  
  I don't know what to tell you, I'm not Burt Reynolds. You just accuse people of things whether they’re true or not. I’m not sure why you think it’s okay to lie.
  I didn't accuse you of being a democrat, you just inferred that I did and started calling me a liar. Would you like to get back on topic?
  
  Dems didn’t appeal to how people actually act, and so you all lost. Their supporters refused to acknowledge the reality of how groups behave, and so you all lost.
  Your words. And no, I do not usually accuse people of things for which I do not have evidence. You do not speak for me on that any more than you speak for me on what political party I I’m a member of. You do not get to dictate these things.
  
  Can we calm down a little, you don't need to be so combative.
  Those are my words, and that was your inference. "you" was referring to citizens of the United states. I could have made that more clear. I am sorry for that, I can be a not so great communicator at times. You can apologise for calling me a liar now.
  With that little distraction dealt with can we discuss the topic civilly? Maybe, we can assume each other are rational human beings, that want similar things, and aren't out to accuse each other of random shit? Please?
  
  I apologise for the misunderstanding. It is something that people say to me all the time and it gets to me. I’m really tired of people just announcing that I’m a member of the Democratic party when I simply am not. It happens here all the time and it’s just infuriating. But I accept that’s not what you were doing, so I apologise.

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