Tim Hortons Hasn't Been Canadian-Owned For A Long Time

I saw Pepsico use Canada brand advertising for Doritos. Was really confusing why they thought it would work

This is a good little video about how they got to the point they're at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ58noGoBm4
They are basically the poster child of enshittification (as far as Canadian restaurants go anyway).

There's a tiny café owned by a couple literally right around the corner from the nearest Tim's to me.
It's definitely a little pricier but FAR better quality. They've also got crapes and waffles and stuff. But sometimes I'll just go in for a cappuccino.
I've become probably their best customer since I go there so often. Despite the fact that Tim's is closer and cheaper.
Not only is it Canadian (plus some European products) it's a local business. All the better.
Edit: That being said, Tim's is cheap so that usually what I'll have when the café isn't an option. It's not American owned thankfully. I wish it was still Canadian though.
- Definitely, the quality difference is unbelievable!
  I find most of the people I know that complain cafés are too expensive drink drip anyways and it seems to be about the same price everywhere 🤷‍♂️. Its $2.16 for a large drip at Tim's here, and $2-$3 at most every local café I've ever been to apart from really bougie ones.
  People just see the $4-6+ milk drinks and blended frozen drinks (with real ingredients, apples-oranges) and get sticker shock compared to Tim's fake whipped topping and sweetener sludge (sorry, "iced capp") for $4.19 when they could be enjoying much better drip in the meantime for effectively the same price.

(Engage old fart mode)
It wasn’t that long ago that Tim Hortons restaurants baked their own donuts in house. Fresh all the time. It was their draw.
Fast forward and they truck in everything frozen from a manufacturing plant. Things aren’t made there anymore - they’re thawed and assembled. And it tastes like it.
They used to be legendary for their coffee, but a few years ago they let their agreement with their coffee supplier to lapse. McDonald’s scooped it right up which suddenly put McCafe on the map. Tim’s found a new supplier but the coffee wasn’t nearly as good.
Aren’t a bunch of their franchises also under investigation for Temporary Foreign Worker program abuse?
It’s just been death by a thousand really stupid cuts.
- I worked there during the frozen donut transition. A few really cool stoner night bakers got let go from my store.
  
  And replaced with cheap, exploitable TFWs!
- The term is 'enshittification' and it's practically the default business strategy for extracting cash from brand value.
  Buy/make a good company by offering a quality service and then spend the next decade cutting costs until the product is terrible.
  Most people won't notice the incremental changes. It's often likened to boiling a frog.
  
  that's not what that means
- In Cobourg, Ontario, a Tim Hortons store got into the news because after the minimum wage was raised they cut their employees benefits.
  The interesting part was that the store was owned by the son of one of the Tim Hortons founders and the daughter of the other founder, who had married. There was a bit of a backlash, to put it mildly.
- I never cared for Tim Horton's coffee, so I didn't mind the change.
  
  Most people don't really drink coffee they drink coffee flavoured cream and sugar. This is why the Starbucks milk drinks are so popular. The quality of the underlying coffee is less important when you double double everything.
- Tim Hortons have been pooping (autoassume changed that from popping, but I'm fucking leaving it!) up here in the UK, not loads of locations, and weirdly not in some of the places you'd expect. First one was in Glasgow, I believe, but there still aren't any in Edinburgh, or London. I work up the Forth Valley from Edinburgh, and there's one in the town I work in, and two more within a 20-30 minute drive. So it seems to be mostly small towns and Glasgow with a Tims.
  Doughnuts are the same pish quality as back home, but the (drip) coffee is surprisingly way better! Pretty sure they had to step up their game because they didn't already dominate the "pop in for a to go cuppa" market here. They're also one of the few places I've seen here in the UK where you can get a filter coffee.
  I'm participating in the US product boycott from here, in solidarity with my family and nation. Just thought the difference between quality here vs home was interesting.
- Hot take, but the donuts being frozen is not a bad thing. I work in a grocer and people never know that our bread products are not fresh until they "catch" us putting the frozen products on the shelf. We don't hide it, and nobody complains about the quality. In fact, they love it. If the donuts taste like shit, its because they were shit donuts, not because they were frozen. While seeing and knowing the donuts are being made fresh on site is a magical thing, you absolutely can retain 99% of the quality with frozen. Ideally, the savings would be passed on to the consumer though.
  But pizza, sandwiches, and shit tasting coffee, I got nothing for that. It is meant to be a coffee shop at its core, so I don't know why the fuck they'd ruin the coffee so much. It's not like its hard either, you can make a machine do it for you. They're trying too hard to be like Starbucks. I understand trying to appeal to a new generation of Canadians, but they really missed the mark. If they wanted to seriously compete with Starbucks, they are completely half-assing it.
  
  It's a fried good, not a baked good. Bread comes out of the freezer ALMOST as good as it went in, but it's never going to be fresh baked bread again. With fried goods, its even more pronounced. Like when you get french fries, you get a narrow window of like ten minutes before they are stale. And they're still good, but they're different. A freshly fried donut and a day old donut, no matter how it was made and preserved, are not the same thing.
  
  people never know that our bread products are not fresh until they "catch" us putting the frozen products on the shelf.
  I don't think you're fooling as many people as you think. Grocery store bread is absolute garbage. Like a packing peanut with a hard shell. Try real bread from a bakery sometime and get back to me.
  
  Fresh donuts are an entirely different experience than previously frozen. You cannot freeze many donuts well such as ones that will be filled.

Ugh seriously? So like where can I go fast food wise that IS Canadian owned? Harvey’s and AnW and Swiss chalet?
I don’t eat a lot of fast food but when I do Tim Hortons has been my go to. I’m not supporting American owned so I guess there goes that.
- Mary Brown's has good chicken. Big Mary Monday deal used to be good, don't have any around here now.
  A&W is awesome. Canadian ones are locally owned by franchisees and it shows in the quality. Antibiotic free run Canadian chicken last I checked. Free run Canadian eggs. Good quality Canadian beef. Canadian vege for the most part I think... All for the same price as the slop served at other fast food joints these days. The coffee isn't my favourite but I know lots of people that like going there for breakfast and don't seem to mind. Usually has a decent sit down atmosphere for breakfast. Lots of them host car meets still in the summer.
  I WISH Robin's Donuts was still around. Unfortunately Timmies all but put them out of business before enshittifying. I randomly found one up around Lake Superior a couple years ago in some small town if I remember right. They must have bought out the location and kept it going. They were still baking fresh donuts in house, had the same mugs, same coffee. It was like stepping into a time capsule and made me loathe what capitalism has done to Timmies.
  For coffee you are usually best finding whatever local non-chain café you like best and stick with that. If I'm visiting somewhere I'm not familiar with I just search for a non-chain café and get to try some new coffee.
  If you really like the chain coffee shop vibe I believe Blenz and Second Cup are both decent Canadian founded and owned still, maybe someone else can confirm, I can't find the details rn
  Edit: to add emphasis
  
  I randomly found one up around Lake Superior a couple years ago in some random small town if I remember right.
  Was there a bunch of Winnie the Pooh stuff around? I fell off the (caffeine) wagon at that very location.
- As for fast food, Harveys is Canadian by my understanding. So is Mary browns (my favourite) which isn't even available in America last time I checked
  Tim Hortons isn't American owned, but technically brazillian of you go by the major shareholderof the toronto headquartered company.
  Still though, it's heavily degraded over the years and isn't in actuality Canadian owned.

At this point the only Canadian thing about them is in showing how dumb we can be.
I know people who go there, complain about the coffee but go there out of nostalgia ...... on a daily basis.
They aren't buying a brand, a product or even food ... they're just buying a memory.
- At this point the only Canadian thing about them is in showing how dumb we can be.
  Buys Tim Horton's.
  Proceeds to vote for Doug Ford and Pierre Poilievre.
  
  That's it! .... that's the reason! ... fanatical conservatism in the Tim Horton's coffee!!!!!

Yup! Their coffee has noticeably degraded since.

So as a non Canadian that frequents Ontario and BC, are there any Canadian-owned coffee places I can look for?
I liked Timmy’s because they even have one in Blue Mountain village and a lot of the middle of nowhere roads I have to drive to get there
- Second Cup
  They're based in Mississauga but have changed hands a lot in their history.
  I think Balzac's is Canadian too. There's are kids of independent coffee shops that are good.
  
  They are Canadian, but I really hate their coffee.
  There aren't many left in Montreal because independent coffee houses / shops are competing hard with them.
- Twiggs Coffee Roasters
  
  Northern Ontarian detected
- BC has Waves, Serious Coffee, Island Grind, Blenz, JJ Bean, and more but thats what I can recall off the top of my head.
  Ottawa has Bridgehead
  
  Waves and Blenz are a crapshoot for decent coffee, but they have good blended drinks. Turks, JJ Bean, Kafka's and Palette, and Matchstick(though I've heard some bad gossip about an owner) are all great for coffee and espresso.
- Tim Horton’s is still Canadian. Burger King did not buy them. The two share an owner who is headquartered in Canada.

Burger King owns them
- Restaurant Brands International owns them along with Burger King, Popeye’s Chicken, and Firehouse Subs. They are headquartered in Toronto, Canada.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restaurant_Brands_International
  
  And they are almost wholly owned by 3G Capital, a Brasilian conglomerate. RBI is just a technicality.
  
  Oh, is that why Popeyes has been crap for a long while now?

Returning from Europe to Canada one of the first things that strikes me is how crappy Canadian fast food all is. Even in the UK, which was once famous for bad food, there are all kinds of places now to get good food and drinks on the go. When you get back to Canada it's so grim to see only Tim Hortons in the airport, with its overpriced stale pastries, leathery donuts and tasteless coffee.
- It's because they can afford to. I remember pre-covid a local gem restaurant bought up a spot in the airport, did well. Covid hit and they didn't have the money to support a location while air travel was at a low. Plus extra costs associated with running a restaurant during a pandemic.
  There were other, complex reasons, too. The owners were assholes, some employees spoke out about working conditions, and they had a PR nightmare. But honestly, it was good food.
  Still, all those problems would be a blip on the chart for a company like Tim Hortons who can get away with shit quality and shit conditions ad infinitum.
- I guess I'm mostly a Harvey's guy as far as Canadian fast food chains are concerned. Pizza, subs, shawarma, etc. are up there too, though there are too many of those to list.
  My daughter took me to Odd Burger when I was up in Ottawa and I could totally get into that if only we had one where I am.
- The only decent fast food I've had lately is A&W, specifically their breakfast.
  They at least make their breakfast the same way I would at home, so it's decent.
  McDonald's is awful and has only gotten more expensive. Tim's is meh, I get tim bits and hot chocolate occasionally.
  I've found Canadian pastry does not compare with European, which is unfortunate. I think the extra moisture content in our butter means traditional pastry recipes do not translate as well.
- I live in the UK, one thing I'll say on this specifically, McDonalds here tastes like it's shit food that's too expensive. In Canada it tastes like shit, but it almost tastes like you're not being bent over the counter and having your pockets turned out.
  There's definitely some cities here that have a massive selection of different take away places. London, the only thing I miss about London is the variety of different foods. If I get stoned and drunk and feel like Ghanaian at midnight, it's likely I'll be able to get it. Might be cold, but it'll turn up. I'm in Edinburgh now, and while there's definitely a growing selection of foods, it's still mostly variations of greasy white people food. Take away in the vast majority of medium to small cities is exactly like Canadian cities of similar size, Chinese delivery, 1 or 2 pizza shops almost certainly one will be Domino's, some Indian delivery, 3-10 chippies, and McDonald's, Burger King or both.
- I have to agree unfortunately. I've spent a lot of time in the states and have eaten my fair share of McDonalds while living here. I visited my home town in Canada a bit ago, and the Mcdonalds tastes so weird. It wasn't bad perse, but it wasn't exactly good either.
  Frankly, probably for the best. Have Canadians save money cooking for themselves or going to places more deserving. Always explore your local non-chain options.

This one’s easy. There are countless small coffee shops, breakfast restaurants, cafes, and small roasters in Canada.
I buy all my coffee whole bean from Canadian small roasters. They buy their coffee directly from the small farmers who grow, harvest, process, and dry the coffee.
If you don’t have the time to grind and brew your own you can also order pre-ground coffee. Or if you just want a pre-made coffee you can go to one of the aforementioned shops, restaurants, or cafes!
Either way, there’s not much reason to get coffee at Tim Horton’s unless you live in a very rural area and they’re the only game in town. Though in that case I’d still order coffee online from Canadian roasters (they usually offer free shipping if you order 3 or more bags).