Framework (2nd Gen) Event | 2025 Launch Event

New products:
AMD Ryzen 300 13" motherboards
Translucent bezels (just 13"?) and expansion cards
ITX desktop
12" 2-in-1 convertible
Not too exciting for me, personally.
- I can't recall anyone ever asking FW for a desktop PC. It's like the one modern electronics product that's already modular. And it looks like they're selling them with mobile processors only also, which, why?
  As for the convertible, there's no AMD option?
  Nor did I see any details regarding pricing, and their website is 404'd to hell.
  E: Got into the website, still no pricing available for 12" convertibel.
  
  I think the main thing with the desktop is that it's a release platform for AMD's new chip (the board is also available by itself), and that the high memory bandwidth is good for machine learning
  
  I suspect that the PC was mostly made because AMD offered to let them release a fancy CPU and they wanted to make a product that would hopefully get a different audience to hear about them. Given the emphasis that it's just a PC, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't bother making new parts for it down the line unless it sells well enough that it can fund them continuing to make a PC line. Since, as they repeatedly pointed out, it's all standard connections, it's not a problem if they stop releasing new parts, unlike their other product lines.
  The convertible will probably take a year or two to shake off the rough edges, same as the 13 and the 16 have/are still doing, I'm interested to see how it does down the line once it's been out for a while and they've had time to respond to user feedback.
  
  Yea, I don't see the point of the desktop, but it sounds more like they are pushing it towards AI servers for the small players.
  
  Desktops are usually modular, but at that price, with that chipset, and in an ITX form factor, you are not getting something remotely repairable from other companies.
  Actually, you aren't getting anything, because nobody is selling a desktop with that chipset for this price.
  
  They mentioned something to the effect of that chip being preferable for AI because of how its 128 GB of memory is so tightly integrated directly into the processor. I don't know much about AI, but that seems to be the only use this thing has going for it over the alternative. Also, I don't think they mentioned anything about it, but it looked like its case had at least two expansion card slots. Though that is far from revolutionary compared to a standard mini ITX PC you could build yourself.
  Nope, convertible was only mentioned to be 13th gen Intel.
  I do not recall prices being revealed for any of the other products, but the Desktop came in three SKUs, costing something like 1099-1999 USD.
  
  @Ulrich @SatyrSack I’m more interested in the chassis honestly, if it can be used with any ITX motherboard
- There is also the new one key module for hopefully new community designs on input modules for the framework laptop 16.
  
  And a keyboard with a Framework logo instead of a Windows logo! While the Framework 16 had an option for a "Super" key, that is entirely new for Framework 13

I'm worried about Framework over-extending themselves with so many different products that each require a different set of parts. It's sure going to hurt the brand if in a few years they start discontinuing product line-ups with no upgradable path forward. For instance they didn't announce any new upgrades for the 16.

The Framework 12 better have a very competitive price or else it probably won't sell that good, if they are aiming for that target group.
A bit sad they didn't announce more GPU's for the Framework 16, but I'll just have to be patient.
Excited to order the new Framework 13 :D
- I'm fairly confident it will, based on how aggressively they've priced that desktop.

I'm a bit sad that we didn't get a FW16 upgrade. My partner's old gaming laptop is beginning to show its age and I would have loved to replace it with a FW16 that isn't two years old already.

Not 100% happy about diluting the case selection (and therefore lowering the part inter-compatibility), but the desktop looks damn nice.
I want that case

Pretty disappointing. The 12 might be interesting, not enough details yet.
No OLED yet is lame
But.... A desktop that's less repairable than a regular desktop???? Why lol?
- Less repairable than a regular desktop, more comparable than any comparable desktops.
  
  Can I buy the motherboard separately and use my own case though? This seems like something AMD could of released themselves 🤷🏻
- Half of the time they spent talking about the Framework Desktop was about AI, so that is probably why.
  
  Is that something people have been asking for? Wouldn't a full blown desktop with more powerful GPU be preferred for AI?

Framework 13 AMD upgrades
Framework mini desktop announced - up to 128GB capable of running 70b lamma3.3
Framework laptop 12 announced - a touchscreen convertible laptop
- Was there an AMD upgrade for the framework 16? I thought not?
  
  nope, your right, I was mistaken

- We got the 2-in-1 and sort of a game console
  EDIT: And you could argue that the colored expansion cards are new
  
  oh missed the 2 in 1

I haven't watched it yet but desktop case was one of the things I wanted
- Ok so no desktop case but the custom keyboard thing for the 16 is great. The 12 looks awesome and the transparent expansion cards look cool

New LTT Framework video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lErGZZgUbY