i'm already tired of people losing their minds over the soldered ram, as if it was in framework's control or that socketed ram could even compare to this... modular ram at this spec is coming but it isn't ready for this generation of chips. if you don't have a need for the insane vram just don't buy it, or get the case and build your own standard ITX system. no one else is providing this chipset to desktop users or running at its full tdp and framework made it available, i cannot find the problem.
- For real. People are assuming LPDDR5x is the same as DDR5. You cannot get the speeds of LPDDR5x without the memory being as close to the compute as physically possible.
  
  I don't think people are assuming that. People where assuming that Framework only made tech where repairablity was going to be the main focus because that's how Framework presented themselves. So if Framework wants to branch out to tech that's not strictly repairability focused it'll take time for consumers to adjust their expectations of Framework.
  Its like when Ferrari puts out a $200 T-shirt, people will be like "stick to cars Ferrari lol". But, turns out Ferrari actualy makes almost half their money selling keychain and $200 T-shirts.
- The problem for some Framework fans, myself included is "opportunity cost". What essentially happened was that AMD piggybacked onto Frameworks event to release a product that Framework spent half the event talking about.
  Framework basically just released a PC case but, those already exists lol. And that's where the opportunity cost comes in, if Framework is spending time on a product a lot of their fans don't care about then Framework isn't spending time on products those fans do care about or products that better follow the companies mission statment which makes us upset.
  People seem to be split on the desktop though. Just like a lot of my "normie" friends don't care about buying a repairable/upgradable laptop, I don't care about the benefits this Desktop offers. Personally I've just come to terms that the desktop just isn't for me and that's OK. I would have preferred Framework spent this opportunity to make a repairable tablet or something similar but, not everything is made for me.
  
  I'm actually really excited about this. I'm hoping that an affordable hardware platform like this might be able to kickstart interest in ROCm, and hopefully will help break the stranglehold Nvidia has on gpu compute.
  It's always been a catch-22 for ROCm, hopefully by providing large amounts of vram at a fraction of the price (a 40gb a100 gpu by itself is like 8k), maybe we can break out of the the carch-22.
  Afaik all of the other computers that use this apu simply suck for compute - ones a tablet and the other is a laptop.
  But being able to cluster these, and have over 500gb of vram for less than 10k? That's really exciting for me, not from a personal perspective, but for research and companies.
  
  i don't think this was a huge sacrifice of their time, it is just an itx case at the end of the day. i personally don't care in the slightest for LLMs or other AI work but that audience will throw money at anything, and i'm glad some of that will be going towards framework and AMD
  
  You're totally right on both points. It's a perception issue, Framework spent half the show talking about the Desktop so people get the feeling that they must of spent half their time working on a desktop. As far as time-spent/potential-profits the desktop will probably be a huge financial success.
  
  i fully agree, it was particularly weird how much time they donated to AMD right after mentioning the FW16, it definitely got everyone's hopes up for more GPUs

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