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hylobates @jlai.lu

23h ago

VI is love, VI is life

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Sorry maybe I'm dumb. But does this mean VIM and Obsidian are Vi?

The comments on this post went exactly like they have over the past 20 years, with one exception.
Emacs is all but forgoten.
Vim wins.
- Recently, I recommended to a friend that basic vim/vi is worth learning because it's a baseline that you can always trust will be there across different Linux systems.
  They asked me what I used most on my home system, and the answer was emacs, but I was very clear that I was not recommending it. It's a particular kind of person who finds themselves at home in emacs, and for everyone besides those people, selling them on emacs would feel like persuading them to do hard drugs.
  
  Didn't even macs have vi?
- you have offended all 6 of us, prepare for retribution

Well, "vi is love" is something I always see as "masochism is related to sex".
- How would you categorize masochism as not sex? :o
  
  Everything is sex, except sex, which is power

Bro you forgot the 'm' at the end of vi
- And the i, c, r, and o. In fact keep the vi.

Op, what do you find more offputting: emacs or neovim?

Ed is the standard editor
- We don't want a viditor, we want an editor. Why? Because ed is the standard!
  
  On the system I administrate, vi is symlinked to ed

What makes 6 so popular?
- Because vii viii ix
  
  laughs in Latin

The last one should be
SQL queries? Believe it or not vi
Yes, this is my preferred SQL client!
- Ah, nice one! Didn't realize it could even be done.

Emacs
(ducks)
- Emacs is what the unified linux desktop should be
- I use vi from an Emacs Shell, which was spawned from an Emacs GUI.
  
  bro tryin' to summon a demon... /s
- Evil
- link the vi command to emacs, and you'll be able to say you use vi
  
  you'll be able to say you use vi
  I haven't wanted to say that in the 32 years I've had the choice.
- No
- Emacs
  
  EMACS. It’s the superior text editor.
- This is the way.

Vi hasn’t been updated since 2005. Aren’t everyone just using vim or neovim?
- Not to imply that Vi is perfect, but Vi is perfect. What do you need an update for? /s
- I use whatever the machine gives me when I type vi, I assume it's usually vim
  
  Huh, vi for me has always been actual vi, not vim. Didn't know some systems symlink vi to vim.

Editing excel spreadsheet? VI
- here you go
- Excel files (.xlsx) is just an archive of some XML files and whatnot, so sure you could edit them in vim.
  Though I'd rather edit them in CSV format

Java? vi!
COBOL? vi!
SVG? Believe it or not, vi!
/s
- BMP? vi and control-v!
  WAV? There's probably a plugin for that!

Everyone at work is using Cursor these days, except for me using neovim and my emacs loving coworker. When we present during pair programming our coworkers go nuts over watching our workflows and trying to figure out if they can do similar things in Cursor lol.
- What is Cursor, another AI-infested slop?
  
  It's a version of VSCode with deep AI integration. I'll say, it's pretty good from a workflow perspective. But I just use Avante to similar effect.
- tbh they probably can, it's just more ctrl involved
  
  Probably!
- Neovim and emacs are both incredibly heavy. I would rather just use something like VScodium.
  Nano and Vim are small and quick.
  
  I would like you to open the same file in neovim, Emacs, and vscodium and see the ram usage.
  Matter of fact I've done this for you (230 line json):
  heavily customised emacs: 34 MB
  heavily customised neovim: 32 MB
  Newly installed vscodium: 300 MB+
  both emacs and neovim have syntax highlighting, completion, mouse support, terminal support, window management, and so on

in highschool my physics teacher used vim to write stuff, like most times when checking if everyone was in class he'd just open vim and type people's name in there

I know this is supposed to be a joke. But, VI is awful, and i can't believe anybody would use that over a modern editor. But, I know some people who like it.
- Literally the only thing I code in at work. Have done so for decades.
  Can't stop, won't stop.
  
  how do you tolerate the 0 and $ to jump to the ends? it's so painfully inconvenient and made me switch to helix where it's g->h and g->l. do you not use the default keymap?
  
  Yeah, it's a dinosaurs tool for people who refuse to adapt to new stuff.
- Modern “vi” is typically a symlink to vim, and as long as compatibility is disabled it’s very useful; especially when working over ssh or quick and dirty config editing that doesn’t warrant a full blown ide to be started up.
  
  Nano is for that purpose
- I prefer vim, but vi is nice too. (I miss Vimperator for Firefox)
  It’s just so fast when you get it down. It works well with a cli-only work flow. Why use mouse when type very fast?
  There’s immense pleasure and honor in writing C the way our ancestors did.
  
  Why use mouse when type very fast?
  Vim actually has pretty good mouse support too if you turn it on!
  
  for Firefox there's now Vimium-c and Tridactyl. personally using Vimium and its been great
  
  If you liked vimperator, you might like https://qutebrowser.org/
- it's not everyone's cup of tea, and that's fine. It's not awful though. Arcane, yes. very powerful? also yes.
- Most people just use vim

I like micro

Nano is just better and I'll happily die on this hill
- I use nano for editing config files in the terminal. For everything else I use VSCodium. Roast me.
- No
  Nano is easier to get into, but far more limited.
  
  And easier to get out of…
- It is very fast

VI is life
If you don't have one to begin with, sure, I guess. For everyone else, there's Nano.
- Skill issue
  
  Vi has a shit design issue

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