Tim Walz says he may run for president in 2028 despite failure of Harris campaign

I'm not convinced there will be an election in 2028...
- There won't at the current trajectory. There won't even be midterms.
  
  I remember Republicans checking out on elections back in 2018 because they bought hard into the Trump "elections are rigged" propaganda. The GOP lost seven Senate seats that year as conservative turnout plunged.
  I wonder if Democrats will make the same mistake in 2026.
  
  Look, guys. I'm rather concerned that the states that haven't seceded by then won't even have electricity anymore.
- There will, but it won't be a fair one. They have "elections" in Russia, too.
- There will absolutely be an election.
  It will be a farce, a Russian election where there's only one possibility to win.
  If we're not pitchforks in the street before then, I don't hold much hope
  
  Or maybe a Hungary-style election where the entire media landscape shills for the ruling class and people on social media are bombarded with misinformation and one-sided reporting.
- States run the elections, so I'm positive there will be one. But whether or not the results are respected... I'm not so confident in that.
  
  I'm not confident the results in red states will be accurate to begin with.
- There will be since elections are held at the state level. Many won't be free or fair in the red states, but they'll be good in the blue states.
  If red states don't hold elections, that's fewer electoral college votes we need to win the presidency and we wouldn't win in red states anyway.
  Please, Texas and Florida. Oh, please, don't hold elections. 🙏
  
  The way I read it, electoral college votes are the one thing where individual states can somewhat easily cancel elections for President, as long as they do so before the election. States have broad discretion over the appointment of electors. All states currently appoint them based on the results of elections, but the rules around that are all set by State legislation, and can be reset by States as well. The only Federal requirement is that the rules don't change after any election is held.
  Prior Supreme Courts have ruled that things like the Equal Protection clause may be used to challenge any act where the legislature restricts voting rights once they have been granted. But who knows what this clown Court would make of that.
  Congressional elections, on the other hand, must be held in order for those seats to be filled. So any state that unilaterally cancels elections across the board will be sending nobody to Congress (and likely any expired Senate terms as well). Some states may go the extra mile and cancel the election for President, but not for Congress. We'll see how that turns out.
- The one thing we have going for us is that Don's dementia and age are going to increasingly make it difficult for him to hold his party together. And there is the chance one of those things will leave the GOP trying to field a new traitor to try and get the cult to consolidate around.
  
  once he kicks the bucket, assuming they can't find someone the republican base will support as fervently as trump, the entire party is done for, it will collapse into a blackhole of nothingness.
- Even Russia has elections
- Nah, there probably will. Whoever is taking control of the US really don't care about MAGA's and 3rd terms. They'll just put another puppet there, the new way of doing things in post-capitalism still maintains and some people will continue to get increasingly very rich doesn't matter who the prez is. We finally reached "the future".
- There will definitely be an attempt to eliminate or "postpone" them. I'm certain Trump is looking at Putin in power and other governments in a state of war without elections as inspiration.

The Harris campaign had to cover the governor’s tracks when he tripped up during a California fundraiser by stating that the constitutionally-mandated system used to select the president, otherwise known as the electoral college, “needs to go”.
How the hell is that a gaffe? It's both the truth and exactly what people want to hear. Any lib who thinks like that needs to kindly keep their mouths shut for the next four years. This country needs radical change, the only choice you get is which one you want.
- and exactly what people want to hear
  It's what people who care about democracy want to hear. That certainly isn't everyone.
- Here, let me grab a sharpie and fix that.
  The Harris campaign made a cowardly attempt to walk back the governor's statements when he said during a California fundraiser that the broken election systems used for gerrymandering and enabling the double elections of Donald Trump, "needs to go".
- Just guessing, but it might be a gaffe because it could be skewed to sound like he doesn't believe in democracy. Of course, this makes no sense because Trump has quite literally said that we might not need another election in four years.
  A more careful statement might have been, "the electoral college needs to be replaced with a system where every citizen's vote has the same magnitude." If that's not the mathematical ideal of democracy, I don't know what is.
  Edit: For you pedantic mathematicians, I'll add that everyone's vote should have the same magnitude, and that magnitude should be greater than zero.
  
  If that's not the mathematical ideal of democracy,
  That is the mathematical ideal of populism.
  Democracy is "government by consent of the governed"; There is no good way of democratically electing a singular individual. Which is why the presidency should be little more than a figurehead, with very little actual authority.
- The pearl-clutching Tone Police in the Democratic Party are nothing if not exhausting, that's for sure.
  The Republicans can and do say just about whatever the fuck they want, and that's sanewashed, and overlooked, and brushed under the rug, sometimes even celebrated, but the tone police in the "liberal media" and the left, and the Democratic Party itself will be there, wagging-finger at the ready, if some Democrat misses a semicolon .
- i'm not even sure what that text is supposed to be referencing?
  I assume it's not literally the message itself, because that would be kind of broad. I'm guessing he just said it weirdly, and that bothered people, because of course it did.

Him calling the GOP weird was not a gaffe but the campaign made him walk away from that language because it might offend potential turncoats. The fact he is internalizing the criticism worries me.
- My only "problem" with the weird-comments were that they were overused. While it is certainly true, and Waltz had every reason to call it out, supporters often kept repeating it in the context of "look how triggered Republicans are by this". After a while it gave me the same vibe as people shoehorning "let's go brandon" into every situation.
  
  My only problem with the “weird” verbiage is that it was far too soft.
  The GOP is far beyond “weird” and well into full-blown Fascist territory.
  But we wouldn’t want to “alienate” anybody by speaking facts!
  
  After a while it gave me the same vibe as people shoehorning “let’s go brandon” into every situation.
  Except that....worked?
  One of the takeaways from the 2024 election is that if you have something that works, repetition is key for the idiot American electorate.
  
  context of "look how triggered Republicans are by this".
  If you want to shake the cult's faith in their cult leader, then yes, you want to trigger them. They're triggered because they sense the loss of innate, automatic strongman support.
  
  When you're trying to get a political movement going, there's no such thing as an overused slogan. The fact that it was getting used so much was evidence it was working, and part of that was because it got at the right in the same way that they try to other minorities

Oh man I can't wait for right-wing/foreign propaganda to tell progressives what they should hate about Walz.
- And don't forget this from a russian propagandist in 2015 (archived reddit link):
  “Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”
  
  To be fair it doesn't take much to cause an idealogical split between leftists.
- I'm more interested in seeing if democrats hold honest primaries.
  Or primaries at all.
  Continue to pretend that every criticism from your left is from your right. It makes it easier to blame the left you hate when you lose to the right you admire.
  
  Interesting response as well to that quote. How you feeling about the Republicans right now. Love or hate?
  
  Considering democrats held primaries in 2016, 2020 and 2024 and they lined up with what polls where saying what would it take for you to believe that the primaries are honest?
- I mean this is Tim "Israel has the right to expand its borders" Walz. Unless he walks that one back he'll probably alienate the Palestine vote.
  
  But if he walks back that is he going to lose the Israel vote and will they finance a primary challenger?
- Zionism, obviously. But if course, anyone who criticizes Israel or it's supporters must be a secret right-winger or foreign agent, nobody could possibly be legitimately bothered by an apartheid state doing genocide.
- It already happened. I vaguely remember something my boss would tell me about him being gay or something like that. Idk it was some completely made up horseshit.
- you do realize Biden's neolibs just supported a far right leaders muderous war crimes right? And the progressives were fighting that criminalality the whole time.
  Biden and Blinken should be in chains at the Hague, but somehow you want to blame progressives for your sides rampage against human decency.

Tim Walz unleashed would have won this.
He was hamstrug by Harris. He’s likely the dem’s best choice for 2028.
So of course they’ll run Newsome or Shapiro or Hillary Clinton again because they’re a bunch of idiots.
- And Harris was hamstrung by Biden.
  She could have been better.
  
  She is a cop. She dropped out in 15th place in the 2020 primary before she was embarrassed in her home state of California. They should have never ran her and that's why they didn't do a primary.
  
  Or she could have not played this game, that she willfully engaged in. Harris is the epitome of a career politician that rose through the ranks by doing what the party elites wanted her to do.
  Once she was announced candidate, she had all the options to go for her own platform and grow a spine, if she has one. Also that is a quality that is crucial in a president, who wants to lead the supposedly most powerful country on earth.
  And this shows, what the DNC wants. They dont want a strong leader. They want a puppet they can control. This is also why they were more than happy to have Biden go for another 4 years, not despite, but because of his declining mental state making him a great puppet.
  
  And she chose not to.
  
  Imagine the timeline where Joe got assassinated before the primaries. We wouldn't have this bullshit timeline.
- I saw a video of him sitting down to have an earnest conversation with hardcore Trump farmers and they left liking him a lot. He's got that "common sense" Midwestern energy on lock and I can see him gaining a lot of ground with the blue collar and rural folks because of it.
  If he has pro-hunting gun views like Bernie, he'll be an amazing pick.
  
  I think he hunts himself. Didn’t he say that during the campaign with Harris?
- The Democratic Party is finished, just like the GOP.
- Yep. I remember a time when the Beltway insiders were acting like Amy Klobuchar was a rising star or some such, LOL.
  
  Ah, Klobuchar. She is the prize senator from the DFL-- their only Sr Senator. She more or less runs it. The same Klobachar who threw out every single police misconduct case given to her when she was a county prosecutor, including the murder of George Floyd by officer Derek Chauvin. She just let him walk because he was a cop.
- Running Hillary again
  The fact that this is somewhat believable is so stupid
- Pretty much any reasonable person unleashed by the Democratic party would have won.

No. Run AOC
- Muricans won't show up to elect a woman as president and y'all need to figure this out.
  I love AOC but if she ran as president you're gonna see exactly what happened the last two times a woman ran.
  Gotta be realistic. It's a shitty reality but it is the reality we live in.
  Walz is a good candidate with a history of helping his citizens. AOC is a firecracker for sure, but the public isn't going to elect a woman of color. They just aren't.
  
  That's what they said about black men until one ran as a progressive and won twice by sizable margins. Perhaps it's not the race / gender that's the biggest hindrance but the policies.
  
  Clinton was old guard. Harris was more or less trying to be a continuance of the same damn thing. I’d like AOC to at least be on the primary ballot.
  
  Then primary her.
  
  Harris and Clinton are both hardcore establishment neolibs. Clinton had Epstein murdered in his cell to cover the rampant sex trafficking crimes of the elites, and Harris campaigned with the Cheneys and thought it was smart politics. It’s not their gender that turned people off, voters just didn’t want to show up for another corporate robot. AOC could be remarkably different here.
  
  I don't think it will happen because
  A) she's a woman and they've tried that twice already
  And more importantly B) she has said many times she doesn't agree with a lot of the democratic party's policies. She has beliefs that would undoubtedly vibe with a ton of voters but there's been a very obvious pattern of both parties only primary-ing "fly right" candidates.
  I think Bernie scared the crap out of them and they don't want a repeat of that. Heaven forbid we get a candidate actually for the people!
  
  Called this. "Harris lost because she's a woman of color" was always a preemptive excuse for shutting out AOC.
  The party is holding back women in order to hamstring one person, and it's gross.
  
  It's not about the gender at all. Dems don't seem to care about that. They care about having a reason to get off the couch. The only time Republicans win is when Dems can't be bothered to get their asses moving.
  What matters is having someone exciting enough to get the Dems to show up to the booth. Neither Hillary nor Kamala brought fresh energy or anything exciting except a continuation of the status quo establishment.
  Please, no Tim Waltz either. I love the guy but my god, we need something fresh besides another sweet grandpa on the ballot.
  Please, democrats. No. We have to do better. Biden barely slid by in 2020. Ffs. No more sweet grandpa's scuffling around the debate stage.
- That's my first choice, personally, and if she wins the primaries, that'd be awesome.
  Otherwise, I could still get pretty hyped about a Walz/AOC ticket, which would pave a more conventional path to a 2032 AOC presidential run.
- We don't "run" candidates. If you want someone else to run you need to speak with them.
  Sorry if this seems pedantic but I'm getting tired of the language that suggests there's some sort of cabal deciding who does or does not run.
  
  The reason a lot of people think that way, is that any truly progressive candidate isn't backed by the DNC.
  Also, very recently, AOC was denied a seat at the table for a dying, cancer ridden old white guy. Granted, it wasn't a spot in an election, but her own party looked the other way for a leadership role.
  
  you're right, we didin't want hillary, the cabal wanted her, we wanted bernie, the cabal wanted harris, we wanted dean, the cabal said his whoop was too much...don't be this naive dan
  
  It’s not a cabal, just plain old corruption. Harris was anointed when instead we could have had a contested primary just before the DNC to excite voters. Hillary colluded with Debbie Wasserman Schultz to steal the nomination from Bernie.

Give me AOC or Bernie.
- Bernie's going to be almost 90 years old by then
  
  biden is no longer in office, so age can be a problem again.
- I like adding AOC to the ticket. But getting through primaries may pit them against each other; their bases, at least.
  
  I think it would actually be very easy to unite their bases. At a certain point we're going to have to acknowledge that progressive populism is appealing to every demographic apart from evangelicals, xenophobes, and 3%ers. Midwesterners who like Walz may be more religious and worse LGBTQ+ allies, but fundamentally people want someone who is going to even the playing field for workers and that's something that both groups would appreciate. A large amount of any campaign is going to have to be education about the benefits of unions, public projects, and being a member of your community rather than a shut-in if they want to generate positive buzz. Negative buzz is easy, just call the fascists weak and gross.
  
  Bernie should not run again. He's great but we need some young blood.
  
  That's what the primaries are for. Selecting a candidate for your party to proceed with. The general election should set aside that division with the candidate having been chosen for the party already.
- Bernie is too old and he knows it. He's not gonna run. AOC has a pretty bad favorable to unfavorable ratio nationally. That's not automatically disqualifying; numbers aren't set in stone, and a lot could change between now and 2028, but she's not starting from the same place of broad appeal that Sanders did. As much as I love both of them, we need to look beyond the same two people for progressive candidates.

Fuckin should have been the nominee in the first place - him or Sanders.
- Not sure of moderates are ok with Sanders. The center and right will keep calling Sanders a socialist and communist.
  
  Who fucking cares? The moderates who were supposed to swoop in and save Kamala pointedly didn’t. Catering towards a fictional segment of the electorate is (demonstrably) a recipe for failure.
  
  They called Kamala a communist too. It doesn't fucking matter, they'll say it about anyone, you can't be afraid of it.
  
  Moderates can take their own fucking advice for once and vote blue no matter who.
  
  Left Sanders Republican reich (rnc) +-----------------------+---------+--------------+ Republican lite (dnc)

Bold of him to assume there will be elections in 2028.
- There will be elections, Democrats just won't win them anymore.

Thinking there is going to be a real election in 2028 is the most optimistic thing I've heard in a while.
- There's going to be an election, or we're going to learn the meaning of "All enemies, foreign and domestic".
  
  More like a Russian/Chinese election.
  
  There's going to be an election but it won't mean anything because it will be manipulated from the get-go.

It's cute that he thinks there will be an election in 2028, or ever again, for that matter.
- Ohh, there's probably be an election. Keeping up appearances and all that.
  Don't think he'll be allowed to run tho.
  
  He'll probably be allowed to run, but just enough of his votes would mysteriously disappear to swing the election.

I’d vote for him, given that we’re still allowed to vote.
- I'll vote for him in the generals, I will beg other people to vote for him and I will spread the word on his policies, but I'd never vote for him in a million years in a primary. He's just a republican in a blue tie on certain issues like Palestine.

Walz was great in 2024. He had enthusiasm and actually answered the interviewers' questions. I would have preferred the symbolic victory of a black woman president, but I like Walz better as an individual person. I think he could have won if he'd been the presidential candidate. Well, Harris won too, but I mean he could have won even with the voter suppression stealing all those democratic votes.
President Walz and Vice President Cortez is the future we need. But probably not the future we'll get.
- He was VP. His espoused policy was effectively supporting Harris'. If you look at his record in MN and actually listen to his statements, his native policy positions become pretty clear. I don't know when your day was, but people have been as politically illiterate as you since the fucking oongaboonga times.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/09/election-tim-walz-electoral-college
  I think all of us know, the electoral college needs to go. We need a national popular vote.
- Your black woman president actively help sending bombs to kill brown people in gaza. Not to mention all the brown people she fed to the private prison industry.
  As a good liberal, you probably think of brown people as human as long as they're rich and american
  
  Are we playing the accuse people of having political views they don't have game? Okay okay! My turn!
  You're a posadist. You want to encourage global nuclear war so society will collapse and communist aliens will save us. And I think your ideology is silly and look down on you for following it!
  
  Why are you bringing up her race when it isn't a relevant factor here?
- I would have preferred the symbolic victory of a black woman.
  This is why DEI is getting bitchslapped the fuck off.
  
  And why are planes falling out the sky after they got rid of DEI?
- Okay.

Personally, I'm hoping Zelensky will run for US president after strong Dien in Ukraine. You might be thinking that someone from another country can't be president. Well.... looks at current situation in White House At least this one would be elected.
- I think we need to go with the Zelensky model (comedian-turned-politician) rather than Zelensky proper. My money's on Jon Stewart and/or Bill Burr.
  
  Burr would be a good choice. I hate to lean hard into identity politics here, but a blue collar aesthetic cishet white guy seems to have a better chance of winning so long as he's progressive.
  Dems have been thinking of it backwards. The center wants vibes, the left wants policies.

It's cute that they think there's gonna be another election.

He's got some things going for him. Male. Presumably heterosexual. Caucasian. Old (but perhaps not quite old enough). I say go for it.
- Dude, just say "not AOC."
  
  I hate this persistent belief that much of America is still too racist and sexist to accept a black or woman president. I hate it, even if it may be true.

He's got the stink of Biden/Harris on him, but he's got four years to wash that off.
Let's see if he does, or if he thinks cozeying up to establishment Dems is the ticket to victory.

We could do (and have done) a lot worse. My only concern is whether or not he has the backbone to refuse to be steered to the right, the way Kamala was after the convention. His Midwestern politeness definitely didn't serve him well in the debate.
- Like Harris was steered.
  
  The DNC consultancy class are almost certainly to blame for every failure they've had since 2016. Or sooner, I'm just stopping there out of convenience.
  I might call that steering. I don't think Harris really believes in anything.
- I get a jimmy carter vibe from him. Hopefully I am wrong.
  
  I hope you're right, at least to a point. Carter was following up the absolute disaster that was the Nixon administration by removing significant amounts of power from the executive, codifying norms that Nixon had flouted, and showing a conciliatory, less-combative presence on the world stage within a fairly flammable geopolitical context. All of that is exactly, to the letter, what we need from the 48th president.
  Now, sure, Carter lost to Reagan. But I get the feeling that Walz wouldn't suffer such a fool.

Yeah, let's keep alive the existence of Walz's couple of misstatements, while ignoring the insane, senile nonsense that Trump spews on the hour. Fuck the media.

Not my 1st choice, but will vote for any democrat, no matter what. I’d prefer that every republican fuck off and die, painfully.
- Especially since every R is a card carrying Nazi at this point.

He was the better half of the ticket.
- while this is true, it would still be a total loss to run him
  
  How so?

He can run for the primary, like everyone else...
- The dnc will make sure their pro business bribery centric candidate wins the primary.
  https://medium.com/theyoungturks/dnc-we-can-legally-choose-candidate-over-cigars-in-back-room-e3026730e252

I'd vote for him but he'd need to ignore the consultants next time if he wants any hope of winning.

"Run for president in 2028" XD That ship has sailed. I don't think they will have any more elections.
- Even North Korea has elections. They might not be fair but they will be held.
  
  Well, yeah. But what's the point?
- Finally. Now you idiots can stop astroturfing the place.
  
  They still will, lets be honest. Then its brown and darker brown. Pick your poison <3

Walz was the main reason I voted for a right winger like Kamala anyway.
- kamala isn't right wing, at best she's a centrist, realistically a left leaning lib.
  
  She's pro-capitalism which makes her right wing. But she's not even a leftist in colloquial US terms, she's very pro police and anti medicare for all.
  
  She’s rainbow republican

I'm feeling pretty certain the dems will run Buttigieg. Feels like they've been prepping him for a while.
- A gay man? No way, they need to run a straight white cis man. It's fucking sad to say it, but for now...it has to be done. Too many racist, sexist and homophobic people out there.
- I figured Newsom, Buttigieg perhaps as VP.
- They'll run Blinken.

I'm worried that despite having very good views himself that he is going to be tainted by the past. Not without reason too, because the consultants made him stand down with the "weird" insult and progressive messaging. Like most of these people, if it's not their authentic campaign, then whose is it? He's demonstrated, like most people who reach a moment in their career to seriously consider this, that he's too malleable for populist politics. It's possible that he completely sheds that team and runs his own, but who here really thinks that's going to happen? I'd believe it if we had AOC for VP. The pressure to succumb to inferior messaging is higher than it'll ever be during a presidential campaign, I don't really trust anyone to stay firm except AOC, Talib, and Bernie because they have demonstrated resistance in this sort of high pressure consultant environment.

Is he going to play a centrists or actually move the needle?
Don't need another "capitalist Harris"
Seemed like a genuine awesome dude, love what he's done in Minnesota but I lack faith that in the democratic party he'll do any good. That and he needs to work on debating....
Rather have AOC
That said better than most of the geriatric pandering democratic ineffective options. Even though he'll be close to 70....
- For wast majority of Americans capitalist Harris is actually rapid communist comrade Harris. For significant majority of registered voters her existence is a rampant leftist propane and seven steps too far.
  USians are firmly on the rigth, and unless you fix that, all your exciting candidates will achieve jack shit.
  
  For wast majority of Americans capitalist Harris is actually rapid communist comrade Harris.
  You don't seem like you really have a grasp on US politics.
  
  USians are firmly on the rigth
  They are? On the issues? Or are we going by how people label themselves?

Honestly, he was OK as a candidate, but he didn't wow me, and he shit the bed in the debate which imo makes him a poor choice. He wasn't as bad as "they're eating the dwawgs" but he really blew it when they asked him about his time in China. All he had to say was that he was there around that time and maybe he misspoke, but what matters was the sentiment. It's a really easy question to answer instead he just fumbled his words like crazy.
He said he's notoriously bad at debating, and imo that's like saying I'm really bad at taking tests. So you are saying that you aren't good at the part where we find out what you know? You can't articulate your positions without a teleprompter? If you can't debate, then you must not be that fervent about them imo, and the person that takes on trump, (assuming we have a real election) needs to be able to call him on his bullshit to his face. I think Walz had way too much of an aww shucks vibe. He's too "Minnesota Nice". We need AOC.
- I'm the opposite. I know that snappy comebacks on live stages are not what make a presidency great. Even if someone can't give immediate responses in a debate, I can respect them if they display anger and passion when appropriate, and reason and negotiation when that's appropriate. You might be overestimating that a president needs to be an image of perfection all the time to every single person, when our current one survived conviction as a sex offender.
  
  The ability to do behind the scenes work is super important. It's half the requirement. But the other half is being able to do in the moment interactions. Look at Trump/VD with Zelenski. Being charismatic and able to handle in-person negotiations with foreign leaders is hugely important.

Hopefully this time they don't muzzle him. Tim's a great example of dem policies working,
- Using the military against protestors is indeed a dem policy but I don't think it worked.
  
  I said dem, not progressive.

I'd argue that it wasn't so much that the campaign failed but the DNC did by failing to recognize the importance of the election and worrying too much about not turning off Republicans. The reality of Tim Walz is he's not going to be subject to the racism and misogyny Harris was. Maybe that's enough.
- Maybe that's enough.
  Absolutely not. I'm sure you've already seen a hundred people arguing this already so I won't do so, but just... No. This mentality will only lead to disaster.

Was it marred by gaffes? Are they thinking of the weird VP candidate?
We'll see if we have a 2028, or if they'll try to reset the numbering to American years or some shit.

How about someone good?
- The things Walz has accomplished in his time in Minnesota is actually remarkable, especially given Minnesota's traditionally libertarian/purple local politics.
  Literally the only attack Republicans in Minnesota have is his handling of the George Floyd protests and his COVID response, and those are weak and they know it.
  Under him we here in Minnesota got dozens of extremely progressive policies put though, our social programs have dramatically expanded and are extremely well funded, corruption has been rooted out, and our economy is booming. The Minnesota DFL under his leadership have gained a ton of ground as well, where nationally the DNC has given up a ton.
  No, he isn't a great orator or debater. But as a politician and policy maker he's a rare combination of progressive, well respected, and effective.
  
  What does progressive really mean?
- Like?
  
  Tulsi Gabbard would have won vs Trump in 2024, had the DNC let her run, I guarantee it. Just one example.

Would have wanted him as president nominee either way, hope he gets it. The name Tim Walz is a name that needs to go down in history with the title "saviour of the US" or smth like that
- That's a lot of pressure to put on one man...
- He can't save us any more than Obama could.
  He might be better than Obama (might) but we have to save ourselves.

Walz / Kelly, Kelly / Walz, Kelly / Kelly, or Kelly / AOC.
- Kelly / Kelly?
  
  Scott/Mark. Or Mark/Scott.

its march 4th. i say we stop voting for seniors over the retirement age.

Please, do FUCKING NOT.
His debate performance was poor against Vance. We don't need a kindly father-figure running against Republicans, we need an attack dog that knows police cold, who can articulate that tax cuts cost more in tax revenues than we make up in added jobs, economic growth, etc., someone that's going to actively piss-off billionaires and then not kiss their asses once they have power... We need a leftist populist, someone that will get people fired up.
Walz is not that guy.
One lesson that I've seen in politics over and over again is Dems running the same candidate in a rematch, and the rematch always goes worse than the original election.
- I don’t know, he might be able to do it with decent advisors.
  He was the one who kicked off that “Republicans are weird” messaging campaign which was incredibly effective until establishment Democrats shut it down. If he brings that sort of energy again I’d support him.
  
  Even if it's not him that runs and takes up that mantra again, the DNC needs to stop standing on the air hose of their own candidates. The rest of the party needs to pick up that mantra, because the truth of the matter is the Republicans are VERY FUCKING WEIRD.
  They are absolute freaks. Obsessed with getting everyone to follow the rules of their little book club. With controlling women. Losing sleep over where trans people poop. Obsessed with kissing the asses of freak billionaires like Musk.
  More importantly, that narrative was working. People noticed. Because it is so very true and people were happy to have someone with a megaphone saying the truth like that.
- I mean he can run for primary. A lot of people should. The DNC just needs to take their finger off the scale and let the actual people decide what candidate they want.
- His debate performance was poor against Vance.
  it was perfectly fine? He could most definitely run well after trump, due to the classic american flip flop phenomenon. Chances are he'd win, if the public is upset enough about how trump did, which right now, isn't looking great. And probably will continue to be that way.
  He's literally obama, but white.
  walz has also had a historically successful career in politics? Just look at what minnesota is doing.
  
  To be fair, the black Obama will also be running in the 2028 primary
  
  Run Walz if you want 8 more years of Republican rule.
  
  Vance was polished, smooth, knew his talking points and bullshit claims cold. Walz, not so much. He didn't have good counters to a lot of the shit that Vance was throwing out. The broad consensus is that Vance handily won the debate, much like the broad consensus was that Harris trounced Trump in the debate.
  He’s literally obama, but white.
  He is not even close to being a white Obama. Obama is a highly skilled orator, extremely skilled debater, and a scholar. Tim Walz connects well with people--perhaps especially well with midwestern people--but he is not a particularly strong orator, is fairly weak in debates, and is definitely not a scholarly type. They may be close on policy, although I would hope that Walz would be farther to the left than Obama was.
- Who is that guy?
  
  Right now, my vote is going for Robert Evans. Not that he would run.

I think it’s important to work towards enabling more political parties between now and 2028. We need alternative voting systems like Alaska and Maine have, but in the other states as well. That is only really possibly through getting ballot initiatives passed in each state for something like STAR Voting, Ranked Robin Voting, Score Voting, or Ranked Choice Voting.
A different voting system enables us to move away from First Past the Post, which is what forces a two party system. By having this, there can be more smaller parties that more truly represent the values of each state that can work with the bigger parties. Plus, it opens up the door for the most liked candidates to not knock each other out over the least liked candidates when tallying the votes.
All that is needed in about half of the states is to get signatures to put ballot initiatives up for a vote. Through grassroots action we can make a meaningful difference, and get more politicians like Walz that actually care about us in office.

Oh yes, please, older people, maybe I'll have my late great grandma run a campaign for the democrats from her grave.
Edit: not that I prefer a republican after trump. I'm certainly not far right. But I'm tired of seeing running leaders being this old. Can you americans get AOC to run for once?
- wha? I thought it was known that walz was actually pretty young (60) compared to how he looks lol. Definitely on the older side of average age for president looking at the stats, but he's 2 years younger than jon stewart and even gavin newsom is 57.
  
  The last Democrat to win the presidency was 47. Makes ya think.
  Edit: the year is 2018, right?
- No sooner than he mentions that he might run to the right wing attacks on his age begin.
  I'd like someone younger too but let's take the candidates we can eh? Dude's compassionate and far left for a dam at the moment.
  
  I wouldn't be mad if we got him, but I'd really like to see someone under 50
  
  And I'm sure he'll choose a young running mate (AOC maybe? Though I'd hate to see her leave Congress for such a powerless position).
  
  The candidates we can? Surely Democrats can find a single candidate that is under 50.
- Age isnt always an indicator on how people are mentally, and if they are a backwards prick
- Can you americans get AOC to run for once?
  Do you actually think a woman has a chance? The US is very, VERY quickly trending to be as misogynistic as the middle east.
- Remember what happened last 2 times when you Americans tried to make a woman president.
- She only just became eligible.
- Walz will be a perfectly normal age to run for president.

He’s the one who wanted to go hardball on Republicans and they couldn’t find anything to stick to him, as hard as they tried.
Dems can do worse and have done much worse.

Walz/Sanders ticket, please.
- Pile of dust 2028
  
  Walz won't even be at retirement age by 2028. That's practically an infant in terms of a presidential candidate.
- Sanders is old and wants to retire. Walz/Cortez instead.

Has my vote. He could win.

I don't why after Biden was VP everyone wants to pretend VP is a stepping stone to presidency...
All it does is hang the prior candidate around their neck like an albatross. And since Kamala couldn't stop talking about how she'd be Biden 2.0, it's gonna be really hard for Walz to say he's different than those two.
Voters don't want "more of the same". And as soon as Walz announced his VP run, he became "more of the same".
It's going to be really hard to distance himself from all the conservative policies that made Kamala and Biden so unpopular with Dem voters.
- Wish the current administration, they definitely want more of the same dumbfuckery.
- Lots of former Vice Presidents become Presidents later on. John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Van Buren, Teddy Roosevelt won reelection, Richard Nixon, HW Bush, and Biden, all became presidents in their own right.
  
  So we have Biden, sandwiches between the worst president ever because the primary was a force and we literally had zero options...
  Then 37 years earlier when HW replaced Reagan and carried his torch..
  So the two examples are the VPs of two of the most charismatic president, and they were both attached to them because their own complete lack of ability to win primaries precluded them from making it to the general?
  Like, I'm pretty sure you won't realize you're making my point....
  But c'mon man, you really can't see that VP is where presidential ambition goes to die and the only thing that changes it is for their president to have been insanely popular with their own voting base?
  You don't even have a little tingle that you're wrong here?
  No doubts that maybe the other person knew what they were talking about?

When will the DNC pull their heads out of their asses? If they won’t put forth any serious candidates, why bother?

Can you please just fucking not
We need someone who is actually going to make some changes, not another return to a milque toast centre right 70 year old white dude
- Except, before the DNC reeled him in with kamala's campaign, he regularly had excellent policy and progressive stances that would shake the middlest of middle right Dems. Things like free school lunches and gender affirming care and reproductive health care protections from the federal government. I would take him over Kamala any day to be quite honest.
  
  He ran his campaign supporting genocide so he is not a progressive nor a moderate.
- He's only 60 - I thought he was much older than that.
  
  That's still an absolutely wild statement to be honest. Only 60?

Please fucking God no. It's like they actually want Republicans to win.

Idk who needs to hear this, but Tim Walz is pretty moderate and centrist. You're not going to unite the splintered left with Tim Walz.
The biggest barrier Democrats have is that left leaning voters are not going out and voting for them.
- I have not much clue about american names except the most popular but what about running with Bernie or AOC as VP?
  
  Bernie generally runs in the Primaries but so far has not won a primary, I'm honestly not sure if a presidential candidate can run as a VP after losing the primary, but it's whoever wins sole discretion who they choose as their VP so AOC is definitely an option.
  Something else to keep in mind is that a congressman who wins Presidency has to leave their seat in congress, which means blue -1 for either senate or house at least until the vacancy gets filled and at most until they win that district again.
- There aren't that many leftists in the USA. What leftists do exist are concentrated enough in the USA that most politicians can ignore them as they aren't in their electorate. If you doubt either of those claims please find me a state government that is consistently progressive.
  
  To me the left is a collection of policy stances:
  tax the rich
  singlepayer healthcare
  employees rights and benefits
  regulations against all forms of malice and negligience
  body autonomy
  So the vast majority of the DNC and especially their presidential candidates check every box and these stances poll at like 60-90%. Generally more states follow this creed than not, such as California, but some things like healthcare are a little too complicated to do for a single state but the best states are blue such as Hawaii.
  If 60-90% back the stance but not the party which holds it then you don't have a problematoc party you have an information problem and an intelligence problem.

Better than 70+. But he will be 64 at the time of the election. That means 68 at the time of the next one if he wins. I thought we were trying for younger presidents. Can we aim for someone in thier 50's?
- I want mayor Pete.
  
  Buttigieg? Yeah fuck no
  
  He hasn't already declared victory in Iowa?

I really do think Tim Walz has a real chance. A very likeable guy.
Doesn't hurt that he's white and male, too.
- Of course that hurts. People want change
  
  Yeah, they wanted so much change that they re-elected Trump.
  
  What exactly would have changed between biden and Harris?

Governor Walz, we need you protecting Minnesota as you have been. While you possibly being president would be the boost of democracy this country needs, my opinion is that you hold the fort exactly where you are.

I guess I’m the only one against this idea. I’m not keen on candidates that have already lost running again. Get someone else up there to try.
- I'm nervous to hear this already. I want him to be pushed into it, not to want it so much.
- Ehh, nixing peoples' chances because of a failed run doesn't really lead to better candidates IMO. You can only learn so much from others' mistakes. Beyond that, his part was really second fiddle to Candidate Harris's campaign.
- He lost a VP bid. That's different.

Please do it

What's become clear in American politics is that it doesn't matter if you hang a little to the left or a little to the right so long as you're not cleft down the center.

I guess so long as there is a democratic selection process wherein the people can choose their party leader, that’d be an improvement.

Unless he steps up and starts fighting alongside the progressives trying to do something (like joining Bernie's current Midwest tour), I don't see him as being a viable candidate for 2028.
I like Walz. A lot. But he's got to show more leadership on the national stage right now, ala Newsom, Whitmer, Pritzker and (in a pleasant surprise) Mills. I think he was thrust onto the national stage before he was ready by the DNC looking to swing the Midwest with a non-threatening centrist candidate, and his silence after the election (and the lack of a real response from the Harris campaign) has left it to other governors to take up the mantle of national leadership.
Would I vote for him if he were on the ticket? Yes. Would I vote for him over Newsom, Whitmer or Pritzker - probably not unless he steps up and takes the battle to Trump NOW.