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Majority of western Europeans think Trump is threat to peace, survey finds

www.theguardian.com Majority of western Europeans think Trump is threat to peace, survey finds

Most respondents in Germany, France, Spain, Italy and UK also say Kyiv’s exclusion from peace talks is unacceptable

Summary

A YouGov poll in five Western European countries found majorities view Donald Trump as a threat to European peace, with concerns rising after he suspended military aid to Ukraine.

Most respondents oppose Kyiv’s exclusion from U.S.-Russia peace talks and doubt Europe alone could support Ukraine.

Support for increased defense spending remains limited, despite fears that Russia could attack again.

Proposals for European peacekeepers in Ukraine have mixed support. The survey highlights growing skepticism about U.S. commitments to NATO and European security.

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Objectively he is.

Many europeans always have thought about USA as a threat to peace. The migrants crisis in europe is a direct result of USA fucking up the middle east for decades.

Majority of western Europeans are paying attention, survey finds

A minority of western Europeans are idiots.

I think at this point for majority of the world, this is common sense now.

A majority of Western Europeans also have a better education than the majority of my fellow American citizens.

Most if us un the US too, probably.
- Both supporters and opponents.
  The supporters want violence. Us opponents see that he is pushing for it.

If it was only peace lol.
He's a threat the very survival of the specie.

Hi guys, new here on lemmy. Just want to say FKUC Trump!

Read that as: Majority of Western Europeans suspect ocean of containing water.

Yet support for increased defense spending is limited. I guess there may be a change in attitudes once the Americans enact tarrifs against the EU and/or formally leave NATO.
- Most countries have announced increased defense spending with support across the political spectrum and EU defense stocks are one of the few safe havens left during this tariff nonsense. France has offered a nuclear umbrella to its neighbours. Poland is up to 5% GDP on defence. Not sure what you mean by limited support but maybe I misunderstand.
  
  I was referring to the survey results.
- They don't even have to leave NATO formally, just undermine confidence in article 5 enough that it's no longer a deterrent.

"The great peacemaker" needs big wars so that he can eventually "make" a peace...

If the western world turns fully towards darkness as it has before during the world wars, the European ideals will get crushed quickly by superpowers on both sides. I cant see Europe being able to defend itself for long if USA goes fully satanic.

Breaking news, really. The dude who threatens to invade his allies is a threat to peace, bravo! If we keep up this pace with dealing with the situation, then we are doomed.

The US has always been the largest threat to world peace
- Unlike glorious Putin, right?
  
  User is a Russian apologist. Check his history.
  
  Fill us in when any other country has 900 military bases around the world
- always
  Even in July 1914? Interesting take.
  
  Always

Most respondents oppose Kyiv’s exclusion from U.S.-Russia peace talks and doubt Europe alone could support Ukraine
I mean not only did Kyiv host peace talks that excluded Russia (thus came to nothing), but Zelenskyy outlawed talks with Putin so why is he complaining?
And yeah, Europe can’t defend Ukraine alone. The UK for example already sent basically their entire SPG fleet to Ukraine. 7 months ago, Poland had sent basically half of their SPGs to Ukraine. NATO‘s artillery fleet outside of the US is already gutted despite not being at war. France only have enough ammunition to last a few weeks in a bitter fight against Russia per France’s own calculations.
- Russia has broken every treaty they have signed with Ukraine, why even bother after 20+ times?
  
  I mean not really but Russia did violate some agreements but so did Ukraine.
  Budapest Memorandum was made null and void when the US sanctioned Belarus which is explicitly prohibited in the agreement.
  One can argue that Russian actions in 2014 violated the 1997 treaty on friendship.
  Minsk II was made null and void after Ukraine not only refused to implement them but created laws that violated the spirit of the agreement and this is more or less the main reason 2022 invasion happened.
  All the treaties except for the Minsk Agreements were basically made null and void following the 2014 coup.
  Minsk I was violated by Russia almost immediately after it was made.
  2003 treaty on Russian-Ukrainian border really only gave “legal basis for initiating the process of marking the Russia–Ukraine state border on the ground.”

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