Brace yourself for Discord to get worse: Reports swirl that the company is in talks with bankers about opening itself up to shareholders
Late capitalism, but make it quirky.
Is Revolt any good?
The worse discord becomes, the easier it will be to convince people to switch to matrix :)
Is there a fool-proof beginner's guide for Matrix? I started reading the documentation the other day and got a bit overwhelmed. Never did end up figuring out how to use it.
You probably already know that its federated, so first step would be picking a server. I would pick one that is on your continent from this list. https://servers.joinmatrix.org/
I would not recommend using the matrix.org server but im too lazy right now to explain why. (basically the same as the arguments against pushing users to lemmy.world)
I would also not use a web based client long term. In the next step you will need to for registration, which is kind of stupid, but you can just log out of the web client after the registration is done.
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Im just gonna randomly pick the server https://gemeinsam.jetzt/ (Austria) from the earlier list. From the list it links you to https://element.gemeinsam.jetzt/ for registration. If you click on "Create Account" it will give you this prompt:
After you fill everything out (+ email confirmation) you will be logged in. Now you have an account that you can use to log into a proper client with an address that look like this @username:gemeinsam.jetzt
You can now log out of the web client as you dont need it anymore. (It might warn you that you are logging out of your last device/session but thats ok).
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Now you can pick a client (there are many but these are the most up to date ones).
For desktop use: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/element/
For mobile use the newer: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/element-x/
So now you have an account on a server of your choosing and a client which means you just give the client your full address like @username:gemeinsam.jetzt to log in and the client will automatically figure out what server your account is on. Put in your password and you are logged in.
Every time you log into a new client, it creates a new session/device that will have its own independent set of message encryption keys unless verified by another existing device/session. That means to keep your keys synchronized (and messages readable) the client will always request you to verify new devices (other than the first one) upon login.
As you logged out of the only remaining session/device earlier, this newly created one should again be the first and only one of the account. You can verify this in the client settings by looking at the "Sessions" section.
Thats basically it for the initial setup. See following section for why you should have either multiple devices/sessions or set up a recovery key.
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Your messages are stored in your account data on your server, but they are encrypted, so if you lose access to all your devices, then all those messages are gone. To prevent that you can create a "recovery key" which is just a long password that is used to encrypt your encryption keys so they too can be stored safely on your server. This allows you to restore your messages even if all devices are lost by entering the recovery key after logging in from a new device.
If you want to use multiple devices just log in on that device and follow the prompt to "verify this session from another device". (works by QR code or comparing some emojis) By verifying a session, you synchronize all your message encryption keys to that device/session. The easiest way to verify new devices is like this, by using an existing device.
Let me know if you get stuck anywhere and i will try to help you out :)
If you're on lemmy then there's nothing that new and different about matrix. It's the same idea for chat apps: you can join an existing server, or host your own. Matrix doesn't federate, so you just need to add whatever new servers you want to join.
Element is one of the bigger client apps. Matrix.org is the biggest server. Those will get you started.
We've been saying that about Windows and Linux for forever.
It might be slow but its happening. Linux just has 1 more barrier for me to switch: games with kernal anti cheats.
"Dual boot" - I'd have to switch so often its not funny, I value my time at least a little bit ok "Don't play those games" - I have friends, those friends want to play those games, I want to hang out with those friends because they're fun people
And it is slowly happening :)
Isn’t it a shame that it takes discord to get worse and not matrix to get better?
That's just natural. Discord has a huge weight of numbers. People stay where they already are, unless there is significant motivation to move.
Matrix would have to be MUCH better than Discord in terms of features to attract people to move their whole communities and friend groups, not just simply on-par. And that's pretty tough.
So yes - we're basically waiting for Discord to continue its slow march into enshittification.
Matrix is getting better constantly tho. I havent had any issues introducing non techie people to it.
it is getting better at least
You mean switch to Jabber, right?
Good riddance. I'm so tired of FOSS projects using that platform as their main communication channel because it's completely disconnected from the Web.
"Let's have the chatroom be the knowledgebase!" Fucking brilliant, no notes.
As a genuine fan of video games as art and multiplayer video games as digital communities, seeing everything go to Discord, even open source projects, has been really sad to watch happen over and over again.
Honestly... Lemmy would be a FAR better platform to run a video game community on than Discord.
Fuck Discord.
Like... the format of Discord is fine (except if you are going to use it to manage a software project, it needs to be designed to facilitate technical support, questions about bugs, and facilitate creating an easily searchable wiki of info along with the live chat), I am fine with the idea but Discord has used its massive popularity and capital to completely eat entire swatchs of video gaming niches and not only is that scary, Discord SUCKS as a tool for handling complex communities with lots of moving parts.
Before someone defends Discord by saying "it works great for small groups of friends" let me pre-emptively answer -> true, yes it does work great for small groups of friends, that is what it was designed for originally probably right? Ok... but small groups of friends is literally the easiest possible usecase for a communication tool, if Discord was bad at that it wouldn't be good at anything.
Lemmy would be a FAR better platform to run a video game community on than Discord.
Lemmy does not have voice chat.
If only discord had stuck to just voice chat. They are miles better in that arena than other options were at the time. I just hate how it also replaced forums. And issue trackers. And some people try to run wikis and image boorus and everything else under the sun as a discord server
How do you suppose you have a live conversation on lemmy? And don't say make a post, and then talk in the post. Lemmy is not set up for the type of communities we want, otherwise people would already be using it for that.
Discord was recently integrated with PS5 and XBOX. Its not going away anytime soon.
I mean, it's already an over-monetized corp shitshow, because everyone joined it. I knew when so many groups centralized in one place, money and greed would soon follow. All we ever needed was IRC with built in logging. The voice chat and video are always going to be corp run because of bandwidth and storage.
It's like some eternal September shit. Of course a private for profit entity like discord is going to eventually turn to shit*. It's like the scorpion and the frog fable**. People should know that. But there are just so many people who this is their first time ever encountering these ideas.
And some people just don't care about things. I had that galaxy brain realization a couple months ago. Imagine if everyone cared just a little more. So many problems would just go away.
*Valve arguably being an exception so far, but that could change on a whim
** https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
How does this compare to element [matrix] ?
Revolt is a 1:1 copy of Discord.
right answer. hopefully upryzing adds federation support or polyproto pops off
I don't want to see the ways Discord is able to become even worse than it already is
I’m imagining being in a voice channel and your communication is cut while everyone in the lobby is forced to listen to the same 15 sec ad, then you can talk again.
@everyone this discord channel is sponsored by raid shadow legends
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Time to act like an old man yelling at a cloud as I try and convince all my friends to go somewhere else. Not that it isn't a good idea, just that they don't really care as much as I do.
Don't know how much worse it could get, really, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
Ugh gods damn it. I can't enjoy anything anymore.
I wonder what's become of Mumble these days.