Less Than Half in U.S. Now Sympathetic Toward Israelis
More Americans express sympathy for the Israelis (46%) than the Palestinians (33%) in the Middle East situation, but the margin has shrunk to a new low.
The zionist nazi state has no right to exist. Just like nazi Germany had no right to exist. A state built on ethnic cleansing, stealing peoples land and their massacre is a state which should not exist.
Just like the United states too
And this is a country whose people have been fed heavily pro-Israel propaganda since the day they were born. What does the rest of the world think ?
I has no sympathy towards the genocidal ideology of zionism.
But I'm definitely sympathic to people who are born in palestine and resist the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc. Regardless of their "religion" or lack thereof. That's brave.
but let’s not pretend the Palestinians wouldn’t be doing the same given the upper hand.
They lived in peace for hundreds of years before the zionist settler-colonial project. So there's no evidence that the victims of Zionism can be equated with their oppressors, just because "all religion bad".
Muslim countries historically have been far kinder to their religious minorities than any european one also.
It's not like the Palestinians welcomed them into their homes in the 1930s and 40s, surely not! Religion bad! Go back to reddit you fucking rat
I guess that's what happens when you're a piece of shit like Isreal seems to be.
Hey, that's not nice, the shit is insulted...
No but really, the Israeli government is absolutely the shit of shits.
Still too high but it isn’t easy to undo decades of brainwashing
Brainwashing or just nasty people?
Brainwashing. Trying to understand the Palestine- Israel situation was something I casually worked at, off and on, for twelve years, which is 1000x more effort than most Americans put into it. I'd get about six hours into trying to untangle the propaganda and get what I felt was an accurate portrayal of the truth using what I felt were high factuality, unbiased sources and just get nowhere. I got as far as understanding that Israel is an authoritarian police/ethnostate, but I never had so clear of a picture of the situation as I do now. Israel has removed all doubt for me that they're proudly undertaking a project of genocide.
Extreme, overt brainwashing.
Fascism is unpopular. 🙁
Sadly, i'm not so sure that is true these days
:(
Pump those numbers down. Those are rookie numbers.
Yeah we broke the majority last year
Many people still think "both sides" though
What are these "sides" comprised of in your mind? Who specifically are you accusing of being a "terrorist"? In Palestine - the entire population? The ruling political party "Hamas"? The militarized subset of it, the "Al Qassam brigades?" Or only the specific members thereof who engaged in war crimes at any point - the few of that group who are still alive? What definition of "terrorism" are you using - the "using violence to influence political opinions" which characterizes every government that's ever engaged in war? The Palestinian people have had their country stolen and have been corralled off from the surrounding world by a military occupier in the tiny subset of it that remains - they have a legal right to self-defense, and the very existence of "Israel" as a state has come at the cost of the absolute violation of their sovereignty and human rights, solely to impose the imaginary, invented sovereignty of an immigrating colonizing population, that was hoisted on them against their will by another colonizer (the British). Using the word "terrorist" used in this context is insane. It seems to hinge on the relationship of Hamas with Islamism, which isn't even absolute, because it's a pluralist, "big tent" party. Beyond there, what, it's based on them having darker skin or being Muslim, which is what that word evokes for the more brainwashed Americans anyway. Rather, armed resistance in their case - as much as we'd all like to avoid violence of any kind - is legally sanctioned self-defense against a militarily aggressive entity, who has their territory and people under military occupation.
You need to educate yourself more on this topic and clarify your thinking.
sure, ill take it but "less than half" doesnt sound very promising.
You had me in the first half. Then you just had to moralize about genocide not being a valid red-line for you.
Shut up you ignorant fool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_women_heads_of_state_and_government
Not sure why that's relevant, but:
The first democratically elected female prime minister of a Muslim majority country was Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan, who led her party to victory in the 1988 general election and later in 1993
I think that your point confuses islamic state with a muslim majority state. While almost all muslim majority states allow women to vote(even though some only quite recently like saudis), islamic state would be different. This is of course same for any fundamentalist state like a jewish one or christian one. They are incompatible with democracy.
So what are they going to do? This is what happens when you prop up & support ethno religious states. Don't want it then stop supporting Israel's existence.
The problem isn’t that Israel is an ethno-religious state, it’s that it’s a genocidal, apartheid, settler-colonial state imposing itself on someone else’s land, and it’s trying to ethnically cleanse that land of its indigenous peoples, and it’s trying to expand its territory into a “Greater Israel,” extending its project of ethnic cleansing ever wider.
Orrrrr, now hear me out, we ratchet up the propaganda, black listing, and police responses to protests. Eh?
You can support Israel without supporting what they're doing.
Edit: the state of Israel
If you are aware of what they are doing, and you provide support to them, that is therefore knowingly providing support to their actions, whether you agree with those actions or not.
Or, if you just meant 'agree with' rather than 'supply', then I would say that what they're doing is not something they will ever stop. It's an integral part of their existence as an imperial Zionist state, they aren't just doing it for fun, or because of some 'bad apples'. They have no plan or desire to stop, their history is mostly just this same type of war and besieging repeated, and the USA would probably abandon them and let them collapse if they miraculously did decide to stop, because the US imperial strategy only values the Zionist Regime as a attack dog in the Middle East, a region critical for resource control.
A lot of words to say, it might as well be supporting guns without supporting bullets. There is no realistic situation where guns won't be used to shoot bullets. They can't be separated, in reality. Why support guns, at that point? It's just a comfortable abstract idea in a vacuum.
No, you really can't: the nature of a thing is what it does
Israel is what it is doing. It was founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing.
The name Israel was chosen by the Zionist movement for a reason & reflects what they are doing. By keeping the name, you're enabling/supporting them.
You can support israelis by sending them back to Poland or to hell.
It should read “zionists” not “Israeli” - for multiple obvious reasons.
A large portion of US zionists are white Christians who have no connections to the middle east other than their doomsday prophecy.
It's insane to me and I don't think many people realize that a large part of American (civilian, non-academic, "salt of the earth" types) support for Israel is directly tied to eschatology.
A huge swath of Christians (and some Jews, and some Muslims) believe the Third Temple has to be built where the Dome of the Rock currently stands before their messiah can return. It's literally a doomsday cult, they expect/want WWIII.
