UK couple fined £1,500 after reporting Channel stowaway found in motorhome
UK couple fined £1,500 after reporting Channel stowaway found in motorhome
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UK couple fined £1,500 after reporting Channel stowaway found in motorhome
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The lesson is.. dont report it
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Yeah if there is no proof that you transported the kid, why report it. Its not like he did it on accident, just pretend you didnt see anything.
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Anyway the point is he didn't come in on a small boat, and it's the small boats that are apparently the problem. So this kid is fine.
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Reminds me of an old news story where a guy found a gun on the street, picked it up, went straight to the police station and handed it in. Was fined thousands for "possession of an illegal firearm". The law was pretty cut and dry... there's literally no exemptions for having an illegal gun on your person. But still struck me as shockingly unfair
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You should watch Gary Stevenson on YouTube. The problem is wealth going to the rich. Immigration is the ruse.
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Want really pushes Reforms power is believing that immigrants in some way make it harder for you to find a job. Of course they don't, that's bullshit. Companies like Tesco's are not allowed to hire people who aren't documented, and the thing is, they don't. Literally no one ever has lost their job because a company hired an immigrant at bargain in basement wages, it doesn't happen.
You just believe it happens because you believe Nigel.
If you were going to berate people you really should look up what you're talking about.
Also
when you are looking at not far off a London a decade, immigration is simply not sustainable.
What on Earth does that mean?
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Immigrants didn’t do that to us, Nige. Look it up.
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Not a fan of the headline, a hit misleading in my opinion. They were fined for negligence as they did not search and secure their own motorhome properly before travelling.
The couple seemingly want to blame the port authorities for not searching their motorhome fully.
I look at this like a traveller in an airport - I am responsible for what's in my bags, for packing them, securing them and ensuring there is nothing illegal in them.
Its the same if youre travelling through ports in cars, lorries or motorhomes. They are being fined for allowing this to happen by not taking basic precautions like securing the bike storage andn checking over their vehicle.
If they had done this, then even if it had still happened they couldn't be accused of negligence.
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The stowaway was on the outside. Therefore could have attached after they checked. I doubt very much that it’s practical to require constant vigilance from all travellers at all times (do travellers need to hire temporary guards for their vehicles when going to the toilet in order to comply with this law?)
Also, ignoring that, it’s braindead to not make an exception when the people in question self-report and fix the issue, it’s directly undermining the goals to punish people for vigilance (even belated vigilance).
But ignoring all of that, the law (or implementation) is flawed. The stated goal of the law is to discourage negligence, but negligence needs to be measured against a fair yardstick like “could a reasonable person catch this easily”, not just “were you smarter than whoever tried to hide on your vehicle?”. Defining negligence competitively like they seem to be doing isn’t reasonable and I hope these people win and force the law to be interpreted more judiciously. Next they’ll be fining old ladies who get scammed for “negligently supporting criminals financially”.
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I look at this like a traveller in an airport - I am responsible for what’s in my bags, for packing them, securing them and ensuring there is nothing illegal in them.
There have been many miscarriages of justice that were the result of someone skilfully slipping something into a traveller's bag. It is unrealistic to think that a bit of vigilance is all that's needed. If that were the case, there'd be no pickpockets and mobile-phone thieves.
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I read this as the Home Office sending a message to people like this couple. They almost certainly know it's unfair and they may even lose on appeal but they have successfully highlighted the importance for people who travel into the UK to be bloody careful in checking their vehicles (including exterior bicycle bags, if the couple's claims are true). The downside is that should someone sneak onto a vehicle successfully from now on the chance of them not being reported has risen a bit. There's also a point to be made I think about the media latching onto this story because they love anything controversial to do with immigration. The other thing I wonder about is the life that boy must have led to get him to a point where he would do such a bold and dangerous thing. Brings home what a cushy life I had when I was 16.
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I'm conflicted on this.
On the one hand, this is harsh, the couple clearly had no ill intent, and £1500 seems like a large fine for negligence (although I'm unaware how wealthy the couple is)
But at the same time, if you remove the fine for negligently smuggling illegal immigrants into the country, it will be weaponised by criminals.
I'm not familiar with the process of driving across the channel. Is it drilled into you, multiple times, that you must check your vehicle? If not, it really should be.
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The problem is that they found them and reported them, then still got fined!
That encourages people to not report it, hell, it discourages checking.... Because if you find someone and report it you get fined!
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I actually know their son, he is the bartender in a pub a frequent, they are not a wealthy family. I met his dad once when he came in to see him, nice bloke.
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I'm sorry but that is incredibly stupid.
If he jumped on and hid after they had packed their vehicle how is that their fault? The stowaway is the one committing the crime knowingly.
Another very common L for UK policy and police.
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Clearly what should have happened is that the stowaways should be granted asylum and the motorhome couple should be paid £1000s for their services in helping these desperate people to the UK. /s
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