Organic Maps migrates to Forgejo due to GitHub account blocked by Microsoft.
Organic Maps migrates to Forgejo due to GitHub account blocked by Microsoft.
Organic Maps migrates to Forgejo due to GitHub account blocked by Microsoft.
Everyone who is censored, everyone who abuses their mod powers; it just creates an opportunity for people to pick up the slack and create better communities.
You only have yourselves to blame, dickhead mods.
I love organic maps, sometimes I practice navigation by turning location off and using a compass with the downloaded map on my phone.
Boycott all US based services.
American here, please do this.
All of our companies are run by scumbags taking advantage of useful idiots. We need more options and legitimate competition.
Especially github. I thought all of you were supposed to leave that when microsoft bought it. I never used it but I definitely wouldn't these days..
This is the way.
why is Organic Street Maps better than the other ones, that claim to be Open Street Maps derived?
bandwidth is not disposable ya'll.
Two reasons:
I've been using OsmAnd for years, and offline maps has always been one of their main things.
that's enough for me, except are the other ones not good?
downloading maps for offline -- you nuts? how does anyone profit from the clicks?
I tried a lot of them and i like the interface of Organic the best.
What is really needed is a fediverse for git repos
First off, that's literally what Forgejo is trying to do
Secondly, git is technically already federated.
Things are a lot better than you might think. It's just that people naturally gravitate towards centralized services, because of the network effect.
Sounds cool, So, but I wouldn't be able to find Codeberg Repos.?
But is there also a standard for build pipelines?
So why were they blocked?
One of their main contributors are in US sanctioned regions (Russia) so they can't access it.
Really! Can't believe them. Yeah fk microsoft.
they were blocked for supporting russia invasion of Ukraine.
Source?
I mean the owners of this "Estonian" company are Russian and Belarussian (company ownership is public record here in Estonia and foreigners can easily start companies), so I wouldn't be surprised, but I also hate how easily unsubstantiated claims spread on the Internet.
There is some serious crapitalist hate for organic maps. I never heard of it util is was taken off the play store for a bit. I side loaded it that day.
Organic Maps is not at feature parity with paid options but it is pretty damn good for FOSS. I use it almost daily for driving around city/suburban Australia and it very rarely gives me bad directions - certainly no more than the paid option i previously used (Sygic).
Its also a really great base project to build on top of. The routing system is a plug in library which can be easily replaced. That means if someone wants to build something that collects and utilizes live data for traffic/construction avoidance they can totally do that. Adding new map layers is also a big one that they made sure is going to be easy to do.
Well, now I know what will be my daily driver. Thanks!
Anything to reduce the advertising revenue of these jackasses
It works well, and I'm a huge fan and contributor to Open Street Maps (which it's bassed on). But it doesn't do traffic, which is unfortunately wha I need from my navigation apps 99% of the time.
If they had a paid option to cover the costs of using TomTom's traffic API, I'd make the switch.
But it is one of the best when it comes to cycling or walking. I've been using it for years now.
Why would it get removed? Can't have any competition for Google Maps or what? Well, it won't get removed on F-droid
https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114155428924741370
Looks like a contributor was in a sanctioned region?
Insane that Github blocked their entire development without discussing it with them though. Ban the contributor, not the entire open source project.
Sounds like an easy way to do unproportional damage to projects with a bit of location spoofing.
Looks like a contributor was in a sanctioned region?
Not according to that thread - it looks like they don't yet know what caused it:
https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114178916120483761
No any details from GitHub yet. One contributor mentioned a temporary visit to disputed areas a long time ago — GitHub probably just flagged the account, and their bots messed up after that.
GAFAM is all one hydra.
sanctioned region
What's that?
A country the USA doesn't like
We need something like Forgejo, but decentralized and federated, like Lemmy. I don't want to create a new account for every Forgejo instance, just to be able to report a bug...
Edit: Added "and federated"
Forgejo is in fact working on being decentralized, just like the underlying git structure is. There are some first federation things in there, but the full implementation is still pretty far out.
Git is decentralized itself... You don't even need forgejo to host your changes
Git is already decentralized, nothing is stopping you from adding multiple remotes to your repo.
The issue tracker is usually the concern
Federation is on their roadmap
You know, git initially was that kind of thing where people would send diff commits on mailing lists. Git is perfectly decentralized already. And there's no need for federation.
Forgejo is already decentralized too. You could host your own instance right now, if you'd want.
There is this, havent tried
Gitea has basic federation, I believe
Gitea is where Forgejo forked from.
if you are looking for decentralised vcs you can try radicle, I tried a while ago pretty good. FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login
FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login
That's interesting. Did not even know, Mastodon supported doing something like this...
There is still a difference: There is no profile in the end. I might create 2 bug reports, bit they won't be linked to each other.
Have you heard of ... Git?
:-)
Edit: I was jesting, got interesting responses!
There is no command git issue create [hostname] [title] [description]
and if there was such a command, it'd require authentication on the specific instance to prevent spam.
You still need to create an account on each Forgejo instance to report a bug there...
And even, if you commit code or make a pull request... Git might be decentralized (you can develop with your friend independently from each other and merge it), but try to commit code to a GitHub project, GitLab instance or Forgejo instance without having an account there to authenticate yourself... It won't work.
I think that's bad (for my personal use) because if I accidentally commit a secret key, how do I claw it back? Basically, how would I claw anything back if it's on a blockchain aka on thousands/millions of computers already (you can't).
If you push a secret key you should definitely generate a new one. Way to many bots out there that scan new commits for exactly that reason
Obviously you go and change the key instead?
You can make commits on your system without pushing them to the remote server, and that’s the default behavior.
that's already a concern. what if someone just cloned your repo? there's also plenty of people that mirror public repos to their personal forgejo server. forgejo makes it very easy.
the only solution to mitigate such a mistake is to
1) invalidate the token
2) remove the commit
In that order.
I did not mean decentralized hosting of the projects (e.g. your project will be on all instances).
I meant decentralized account usage (e.g. you can use your example.com forgejo account to create an issue on otherexample.org)... Just like Lemmy... I could use my reddthat.com lemmy account to create a post on your instance lemmy.world without having to register there.
You are correct in principle, but Lemmy isn't on a blockchain. It's much less permanent.
Wouldn't it be the other way around, having someone centralized so with one account you can report bugs in any public project?
Do you know how lemmy works?
Rather have it on IPFS or something like OrbitDB, so no one can just lock/delete stuff.
This was always going to jappen datahoarders we have to mirror all of github!
You don't even have to be a datahoarder to help. Run ArchiveTeam warrior on a computer
Easiest way if you're already someone who needs to use Docker, is to throw this compose file somewhere and run it: Docker Compose file for Warrior
Anyone have the story behind this? Fuck Microsoft and all that, but Github has historically been pretty good when it comes to not banning people for stupid reasons. Usually, it's a DMCA thing or a valid security threat.
Recently, there was some controversy about closed source code powering a component of the project (https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837) but I didn't keep up with that. Could this ban be related to that?
Some contributer got flagged by US sanctions based on their IP, I think
That's weird. Russians and Americans aren't sanctioned from working on projects together. The sanctions are mostly targeted towards industry and defense. Tucker Carlson works for Russian media and freely travels between the two countries. There has to be something more to this, like the IP came from a known state actor.
Ironically the US is more likely to drop the sanctions before Germany, where Codeberg is based.
Edit: They've gone self hosted. That makes more sense.
Welcome to the "free world".
Nice!
I actually recently set up my own Forgejo instance, and it's remarkably similar to GitHub, to the point where they share Github's "actions" code.
Congrats! More hosting diversity is a good thing.
Yep I got one too. Works great and self hosted. I swear its actually faster than GH is nowadays.
And I like that it doesn't try to advertise and recommend a ton of repos to do you like GH does now.
GitHub has slowly become an advertising platform for repos more than anything. I miss what it was just a couple of years ago. It did exactly what you needed when you needed it. Now it's just so bloated
The releases page is just as easy to find!
Forgejo Actions is definitely not a turnkey idential-to-GitHub solution, but it's quite similar and for most not-super-complicated setups it's basically the same (for better or worse, depending on if you like GH's Actions).
As far as I remember, everything that I need works out of the box, except for Docker. In fact, just about everything Docker is somewhat quirky in Forgejo Actions.
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Bare Metal (Debian 12) / ├─ Rootless Podman/ ├─ Forgejo ├─ Forgejo Runner ├─ Podman-in-Podman (Inner Podman also Rootless)/ ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here> * If you use rootful Docker with Docker-in-Docker, those actions will then work as expected. It is just that attempting to make them work with Rootless Podman (at least the version that ships with Debain 12) currently seems to be impossible.
Bare Metal ├─ Rootless Podman ├─ Forgejo ├─ Rootless Forgejo Runner (planning to run on another machine entirely) ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>
I doubt the extra level of nesting is the issue though. If your issue is networking, then maybe the version of podman is the issue, since they switched out the networking layer in 5.0. I upgraded for a related reason, though I'm still getting some odd issues (mostly w/ the DNS resolver).
I haven't gotten to cross-compiling just yet, nor have I needed to build a docker image since my projects are very much in the testing phase. But maybe I'll give it a shot soon, since it's better to catch these types of issues before it becomes a bigger problem.
I love that they have scoped labels while GitHub still doesn't
Oh...I was interested until you said actions. What a terrible system for ci.
What's wrong w/ actions? Is there something else you prefer?
I think they're quite powerful. There are a variety of triggers, runners are fairly easy to configure (easy to scale up), and the syntax is pretty straightforward. It seems to work pretty well.
Codeberg is a non-profit that has no fees, but accepts donations. They only allow FOSS projects.
Why would I move away from git if I could just move away from github/lab and keep git?
Are you talking about Fossil ? Fossil's commands are just like git's & with the added benefit of having Github's stuff like wiki & even a forum built into it
By what standard is GitLab not a “capitalist platform”? It feels even more corporatey than GitHub. From their homepage:
GitLab is the most comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps Platform.
Yeah but it's not Microsoft-controlled
can someone make a quick intro to what happends for microsoft to block organicmaps account ?
Going by their Mastodon account, seems they were erroneously detected as "from a US-sanctioned region" and it took too long for said error to be resolved, so they just made the switch.
"US sanctioned region" is russia. The developer team fully consist of russian citizens, some of them are still in russia.
Shit. I live in Denmark. How do you download a whole github repository, commits, issues and all?
Given now that the US has a russian president, maybe the US should sanction itself lol
Very interesting 🤔💭
Sucks for Organic Maps but that's the FAANG.
So wait.
GitHub is Microsoft?
EDIT: Okay, fuck that. I was just getting all set up there but not now.
I am trying to decide between PyCharm and VS Code for my Python IDE. I was leaning toward VS Code, but they're Microsoft too, aren't they?
Continue.
Has been since 2018, and acquisition news caused quite an upset at the time.
Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft. And Rust since heavy ties to Amazon. Don't look for a job on Linkedin (where most listings are posted) because that's also Microsoft. Actually, just to spare you the time, avoid programming altogether and do something like farming, since no Big Tech influence there. /s
I do like the work Microsoft has done with typescript itself, but more and more I'm seeing they are trying to tie up the language to VSCode, treating other editors as "second class citizens" for it and that has started to make me reconsider things.
I'm retired and doing hobby projects in Python and java, so I get choices (including not playing) but wtf, big tech figured out how to take over open source?
That's particularly evil.
Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft.
This, but unironically.
Yeah they bought them almost 10 years now?
VS Code has a fully open source base which excludes proprietary extensions and default telemetry ( kind of how AOSP is for Android)
Check here for more info:
https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/wiki/Differences-between-the-repository-and-Visual-Studio-Code
And VSCodium is the project that releases builds from the VS Code source code. Privacy-conscious developers should use VSCodium (which is fully FOSS) instead of Visual Studio Code (which is partially proprietary and includes tracking).
kind of how AOSP is for Android)
https://9to5google.com/2025/03/28/google-android-aosp-changes-announcement/
If you like VSCode you can try VSCodium which supports almost all features of VSCode but should be fully FOSS without Microsoft proprietary blobs.
Might check out Zed. Relatively new editor from the folks behind Atom and treesitter. Extremely fast with an excellent interface and vim mode. The second best vim mode behind Neovim.
I've been testing Zed for the last couple weeks for some Vue / Nuxt projects. It works great for that and seems very stable so far, but is also developed by a for-profit. Curious to see how the Zedless project works out.
Zed is great! Not as many features as IntelliJ, but insanely fast, and new features are being added all the time.
I recommend Codeberg or Forgejo!
PyCharm is a solid choice. It just works. But if you’re open to another editor, take a look at Zed. It has python support too. It’s super snappy and way less bloated than the others.
I’m also very new to doing any type of programming, and also don’t remember things from last week lol. I use Kate, it’s from KDE which is from the Linux world but works on windows! They have some other good programs that also work on windows (and Mac too I think!) if you’re trying to extract yourself from there. I don’t know python very well so don’t know if Kate is the best choice compared to PyCharm for your use case, but might be a good allrounder.
Can I suggest vim or emacs?
I can forgive not knowing github is MS.
but, how in the actual fuck did you not know VS Code is MS?
do you just close your eyes and code blind all day long?
Maybe they are just getting started with learning programming, be kind.
Who could have ever anticipated Git hub going to shoot after Microsoft bought it
you can say shit on here. also fuck and cock and ass. it's the internet
Could you like, stop policing other peoples speech? I am sure they know they can say shit on the internet, they just choose not to.
don't worry more ai slop in github will fix it
Microsoft products definitely gets worse over time lol
ai driven anti-spam is destroying the internet and deleting legitimate businesses every day. there is usually no customer support, and there are no humans in charge. there is nothing you can do.
Plausibly deniable attacks on political opposition.
Nice! It even supports the same RSS feed format. For anyone who also wants FOSS releases injected straight into their veins https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps/releases.atom
I'm looking forward to the time Forgejo starts supporting Forgefed
Yeah with their recent grant it looks like it’s the next priority, that will be pretty neat:
Why did they get removed? I feel like I'm missing a whole backstory here.
Seemingly one of the contributors has visited a disputed region and logged into GitHub from there. By law (export controls) Microsoft must not provide service to that place. So some automatism flagged the account and also the organic maps repo. So far so normal. But either Microsoft dragged it's feet in communicating and resolving the issue or the organic maps team was not doing their part in the process. Doesn't matter, the outcome is still worth it.
By law (export controls) Microsoft must not provide service to that place. So some automatism flagged the account and also the organic maps repo. So far so normal.
not normal at all! don't serve the website. that is normal. but ban anyone logging in seemingly from there, on sight? that's literally "shoot first, ask later" in tech! totally abnormal, if this is the reason
What are we, North Korea? We can't accept information from certain countries? I can understand being wary of state-sponsored information terrorism, but "Hey, here's a Cuban road? A good place for a guava and cheese pastry?"
Come on. This was really the trigger?
Apparently, one of the contributors did a push while visiting Cuba and since Cuba in sanctioned by US they just blocked the entire repo. Insane.
Source?
They're a direct competitor to one of microsoft's products, and a better one at that.
Ah, the threatened oligarchy is at it again. I'm sure its purely a coincidence and not at all a retaliation for people abandoning big tech en masse.
is forgejo the same thing as codeberg? it looks similar.. just curious
Codeberg is a forgejo instance, yes
Foregejo : codeberg = lemmy : blahaj.zone
Forgejo being a fork of gitea
And gitea is the fork of gogs, just to complete the family tree
Forgejo is such a terrible name 🙄
That's because it's using a language you don't speak.
I love Esperanto, so to me forgejo is very cool
I believe Forgejo lets you self host while Codeberg provides the hosting.
CodeBerg is a Forgejo instance
Downloaded and installed!
👍👍
As long as they are still publishing the apk to f-droid, as a user I hardly care where it's hosted.
I've switched to CalyxOS 6 or 7 months ago, OrganicMaps came with it. I have never looked back.
Extremely based
Whyyy???
I wish, but when I am looking gor a job the employer will look at the green squares and leetcode score or something stupid like that instead of my projects or having a discussion in general.
Wrong thread?
I presume they mean the green squares on their GitHub account.
This post is stupid. The whole reason they are blocked is because Russia invaded ukraine, so the US sanctioned them, so Russian developers can't use Github, not because "microsoft bad" (true but irrelevant in this case) but because Microsoft is legally obligated to block them.
Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.
Honestly after this post I will avoid Organic maps. More like genocide-complicit maps amirite.
I don't think I want my government deciding who can contribute to my open source project.
When Trump gets into a dick measuring contest with a US ally and sanctions them, POOF foreign contributors are gone. Community management, codebase familiarity, and open PRs be damned. It'll kill open source projects.
Are you aware of how much open source work comes from Russians? Russians != Russian govt.
The US supplied 80% of the bombs dropped on Gaza.
Do you believe US civilians should be prohibited from interacting with the rest of the world?
As a US citizen. YES. FFS, the point of sanctions is to compel a change or deter an action. Americans might pay way more attention when the rest of the world puts us in timeout because of the terrible leadership.
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Do you believe US civilians should be prohibited from interacting with the rest of the world?
Yes...? Why haven't other countries sanctioned the US for Gaza genocide? But that's also not the point at hand.
I mean, it’s probably in their best interest to avoid us. We are a terrible country.
Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.
I... don't follow. How does this make the Microsoft, Github, and USA look good? The policy here is absolutely stupid.
Me too. I presume half of the votes on this comment are upvotes because they only read the first half of it.
Can you please explain how you come to such a conclusion of your second half, OP? Like you saw, we really don't follow.
Remember kids, racism and bigotry are always okay if it's against the right people.
I have nothing against Russian developers. But I do think they should be completely isolated and blocked from the outside world. That's the whole point of sanctions.
Moving off of GitHub is still good, even if you believe their reasoning behind their reasons is incorrect.
Russian bots down voting you.
This is how sanctions work. Don't like it? Get your government to stop invading Ukraine.
Proceeds to use open source tooling with numerous contributions from US-based software developers
Get your government to stop invading Ukraine.
How about we get the american government to stop supplying Israel with bombs they drop on Gaza? Oh, I guess that's too much effort.
Not a Russian bot. Down voted it because GitHub is still a poor choice to host open source on nowadays. It's like someone saying "It's stupid that such and such switched to renewable energy instead of fossil fuels because they believe the world is flat. The world is not flat!" It's really missing the forest for the trees.
Upvoting for the concise summary of what the article is about (thanks!); not for the opinion expressed (which appears to conflate Russian developers with the actions of the Russian government -- something I find problematic at best).
Nothing personal against russian FOSS developers. They should be blocked (sanctioned) from contributing until the sanctions are stopped.
Lol fucking Russians deserve to be blocked everywhere
This is great. Now I can submit issues easier and look into contribution. Storing projects on Github is awful. The signup process is a mess.