It's Women's Fault

Oh wow, another meme completely disregarding a problem many are struggeling with. But don't worry guys and gals, it's okay because it's making fun of mens' suffering. And men can't be discriminated against.
On another note, has anyone figured out yet, why men are never emotionally available? It truly is a mystery 🤔
/s in case you can't tell.
- Silly men just need to understand that saying "I'm lonely" and "women belong in the kitchen" are equivalent. So don't you dare ever talk or reach out if you're lonely.
  It's a real shame that male loneliness is so quickly dismissed because it would be a great starting point to begin talking about how traditional male friendships tend to keep each other at a distance, and maybe come up with ways to bridge the gap so existing friendships can become deeper.
  Instead it feels like the conversation just gets to this point where we all collectively shrug and say, "shame" and never really talk about it more than this.
  
  "I'm lonely."
  "Well, you probably deserve it then."
  
  In my career, I have had a lot of contacts with Saudi Arabian men. I’ve sometimes been a bit jealous of the ease and familiarity of their male-male friendships in that culture.
  They generally have no qualms about just hanging an arm over a friends shoulder and just keeping it there for a protracted side-hug, seemingly without a thought.
  Sure, there are other aspects of the culture that give me pause, but the easy familiarity is something that I think is beautiful.
  
  Silly men just need to understand that saying “I’m lonely” and “women belong in the kitchen” are equivalent.
  Yeah, I think maybe you misunderstood the meme format? I don't think anyone is saying those things are equivalent...
  
  Maybe, just maybe... men don't have deep friendships because "empathy is gay"?
  
  It isn't being dismissed by this meme. It is being acknowledged as a real thing that really exists and is really a problem. You just don't like the solution it proposes: stop being an asshole.
  But I suppose it's everyone else's fault, right?
- You had me in the first half, ngl

I got overweight from the loss of my legs from a spinal injury. My fiancé left me and I haven’t held a serious relationship since. I am a supporter of all rights. So not all of us that are dateless. Are hateful misogynists. Some of us just had a bad deal delt to us.

I know this guy who is absolutely ridiculous about this.
On one hand, he can't stand women's groups, gets upset about women's sports, can't stop dismissing anything that isn't solely masculine like yoga, dance, and even rages on women artists and musicians.
On the other hand, has BEGGED OUT LOUD to people (I'm not even his friend) to get him connected with "chicks".
I have no idea how to tell this guy he's a miserable hateful fuck who will die alone because of his own personality.
- Pretty funny that lots of now “feminine” activities like horse riding, yoga and dance were originally very masculine and women got into them when men moved onto to other crap like cars and whipping each other with towels in the locker room.

- What's the toxic female equivalent of Andrew Tate?
  
  LMAO let's not pretend like places such as /FemaleDatingStrategy don't exist. Misogynists and misandrists are two sides of the same coin. If I have no problem saying that misogynists like Andrew Tate are shitheads, then you can admit that man-hating misandrists are also shitheads.
  And don't you start telling me "Oh, but woman-hating misogynists are worse" because then the conversation turns in to the "Oppression Olympics" and all people do is focus on arguing about who has it worse instead of focusing on actually fixing anybody's problems. Both misogynists and misandrists are bad, and both should be condemned.
  
  The Female Dating Strategy users back on the old site.
- GamerGate-tier slop. "tumblristas" or whatever have nowhere near the level of influence, power or damage to society as the manosphere. When was the last time you read about one shooting up a school?
  
  GamerGate-tier slop. “tumblristas” or whatever have nowhere near the level of influence, power or damage to society as the manosphere.
  By that logic, if someone punches you with brass knuckles then you have no right to complain because brass knuckles have nowhere near the level of power or damage-dealing ability to a person as a gun does.
- yes, the few hundred people on tumblr who hate all men are just as bad as the incel influencers making millions every year who have sympathizers in many governments
  fuck off

there is a ~~male~~ loneliness epidemic
FTFY
- I think it's phrased like this because it's less acceptable for men to express feelings like sadness or loneliness. men and boys who are lonely and alienated can more easily fall down the Andrew Tate/4Chan/Jordan Peterson/blackpill pipeline which yields violent extremist behavior. Obviously it's not only men
  
  Women don't have the same issue because it's socially acceptable for them to have deep emotional connections with their friends, where as men are mocked for being gay if they open up to their buddies about any kind of difficult emotion.
  
  Yes, it's because despite the problem being the same for everybody, the "treatment" has to be very different. So it's better if you break it down into two different epidemics.
  And one gets more attention because every single well known and applied procedure to fight the epidemics don't work for them.
  
  i don't think so, if there was another context i would absolutely agree with you, but following the discourse this, on my eyes this is phrased more like "men are getting more lonely but not women" or "men are getting more lonely, and it's because of women"; if it was another person, this would be the case, but this text did not mentioned any social acceptance of man's loneliness
- "All lives matter"
  
  yes, i am a fascist bastard, how have you noticed? was it because i frequent a niche leftist-leaning decentralized social media, or because i have a penguin on my profile picture referring a left-associated group of operating systems that has much of it's community ramble about how terrible corporatism is?

Yeah, that’s not at all what the male loneliness thing is about at all. Was the point of your meme to make fun of how ignorant people are about this particular issue for men or were you trying to suggest the issue is invalid and the result of misogynistic assholes? Because if it’s the latter I think you just demonstrated your own ignorance and should probably spend some time trying to empathize more with men and educate yourself.
- Par for the course for cm0002 to drop a devisive clickbait "meme" for engagement and disappear. I understand we want Lemmy to grow, but is this actually the kind of content we want churned out?
  
  He spams just the worst slop I've seen 24/7. Honestly I think he brings the overall quality of posts down on Lemmy. I'm glad I am not the only one that noticed how frequently he posts recycled trash.
- A second person I can ask. What's the epidemic then? If it's not men failing to meet some pretty basic standards for empathy and kindness, what is it?
  
  Not the person you replied to.
  That's easy it's not not wanting to come off as a creep. Where do you meet them? I have been told you cannot approach women in the bar, work, gym, through hobbies etc. Only place that is okay is dating apps and they are awful for so many reasons for everyone involved.
  You don't want to be creepy so you don't approach people. Then you get people calling you creepy for being lonley.
  
  It’s complicated because there are a variety of contributing factors and it’s not the same for every lonely man. There are some societal mores in certain demographics (e.g. urban Black men, traditional Hispanic men, traditional Southern White men) where men are expected to not talk about emotional pain or express it only in anger. They’re expected to solve all of their own problems and even complaining about a problem you’re struggling to solve makes you look weak to your peers. These kinds of societal forces cut men off from emotional support even when they have friends and makes them feel alone and abandoned even though they have people in their lives.
  Then there’s stuff like boys/men getting addicted to video games and not socializing enough in person with people to create friendships groups outside of discord, that kind of thing. Like I said, it’s multifaceted. But it’s no joke and it’s not about misogyny.
  
  https://youtu.be/rQv8VuLpKN4

It's pretty much everybody but go off I guess
https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/surgeon-general-social-connection-advisory.pdf
- There are multiple ways to get to the loneliness stage. The meme identifies one way that is self inflicted which starts with misogyny and spirals from there.
  
  The problem is the format of the meme implies that the last panel is invalid, and that the conclusion "there is a male loneliness epidemic" is something only women hating clowns believe.
  I guarantee if the last panel was stated like "why won't women date me" or "I'm lonely" or even "I'm only single because of the male loneliness epidemic" then there wouldn't be nearly as much backlash in the comments
- Yeah, it’s more than just incels suffering.
- But I comment to other people on the internet, that's close enough
- /thanksimcured
- Very true. But when it comes to loneliness, I've heard far more about "the male loneliness epidemic."
  The male loneliness epidemic is often cited to me and used to silence women/NB folks when we try to discuss our safety and support groups. It is supposedly women's (and other not-men's fault) that men are lonely.
  I just searched it up and apparently NPR has something about it now. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/17/1263527043/its-been-a-minute-male-loneliness-epidemic-real
  
  Thanks for the link, interesting read( I read the transcript). A section here:
  VOLPE: Yeah. Yeah. Like Harris said, it's an easy solution. And you know, speaking of, like, some of these people, like Andrew Tate, like, their messages of, like, you know, you need to have women around you only to dominate them. And, like, those sort of messages, I think, are very appealing for men who feel like their place in the world is being threatened. And so it's very easy to say, like, oh, yeah, like, maybe they just need a girlfriend or a friend and, like, they'll be better.
  And I think that maps neatly onto the way that we socialize boys and men, too, to sort of value that one romantic relationship, and, like, that is the thing...
  This might be one of the reasons. But it is interesting that the survey says it is only 1% less of women than men feeling lonely. Would be interesting to know the country too. Not all societies are the same, and in some friendships between men are similar in connection like between 2 women.
  
  It always reminds me of a This video

I doubt the first 3 statements are the same person as the fourth in most cases
- Why
  
  I just figure if you called women dishwashers you wouldn't know big words like epidemic. That and it's possible to be lonely without being sexist.
  Also, I hear the 4th way more often than the other 3

I don't think the two are fully related, at least not causally. If 1-3 are true, then there should be a large enough pool with things in common to avoid loneliness. If this specifically means sexual/relationship loneliness than, yeah.
Third spaces going away and moving a lot online has definitely had an impact on people hanging out outside of much more niche groups. I don't care for organized religion much, but people of various backgrounds worshipped together. People had volleyball and other local leagues made up of all kinds of people who saw a flier for it. Men (not sure if women had something similar) went to fraternal order of the whatevers. Hell, dad and I went to Commodore computer enthusiast meet-ups. I think the loss of things like that has been bad for a number of reasons, including loneliness.
- then there should be a large enough pool with things in common to avoid loneliness. If this specifically means sexual/relationship loneliness than, yeah.
  Your last statement is correct. Most men aren't socialized to have deep emotional relationships with their male friends, so they have to rely on a romantic relationship to do all their emotional support (if they even do that, there's some that are also so convinced the women will hate them if they get emotional). Women haven't felt as much of the pain of the loss of 3rd spaces for socialization because it's socially acceptable for them to have emotional relationships with their friends.

The people speaking about male loneliness epidemics aren't the incels right? I think trying to understand the problems related to masculinity in society is exactly the opposite, trying to combat incels and the like. It has nothing to do with blaming women (at least in my experience)

The comments on this one really highlights Lemmy's demographics. You can take the men out of reddit but you can't take the reddit out of men lmao
- What are all these “actually it’s misandry” guys suddenly doing here? Did the C-drive at Truth Social run out of space or something?
- Yeah, I dunno if it was the recent migration or what, but I'm not a fan of the direction that lemmy seems to be headed. This was one of the few online discussion spaces that hadn't been poisoned by right-wing ideology and it seems like that might no longer be the case.
  Yes I know about blocking, I just don't like doing it.
  
  The "what about men's issues" crowd has been here since the first big migration, mostly due to the demographic most likely to switch to Lemmy being techbro adjacent male liberals. It's been simmering since then but only bubbles up when stuff like this gets posted. .world has been one of if not the biggest offender for annoying bullshit on this platform so just be aware when you see a comment from one of their users you're taking a gamble on viewing one of the dumbest things you've ever seen in your life.
  
  Blocking isn't implemented very well. It prunes out the entire subtree. Would be nice to just elide the problem individuals and fold the subtree.
- Yours was the first comment I read, and holy shit did it get bad. I had to bail less than a quarter through the thread. Sooooo fucking fragile.

Death of third places and the tech takeover of social interaction is why men and women seem to hate each other now. We don't have much opportunity to meet romantically in person and the online space pits extremists against each other until all the regular people believe that's just the way it is in real life too.
Can't overlook that women being, for the most part, economically equal for the first time ever gives them more opportunity to choose as well.

In the US, women couldn’t get credit cards without a co-signer until 1974.
Historically, women had to have a man support them if they wanted options other than poverty. Your grandma probably didn’t have many other options - it might have worked well for her, but that wasn’t a choice made freely.
I think a lot of this is that relationships are a choice now. You have to be someone that someone wants to be with. This is a good thing, but it’s also a hard thing.
It sucks to be lonely and not get laid, but at the same time no one owes you sex or attention.
- Feminism allowed women to become fulfilled all on their own, taking on those "typically masculine" traits of making money, doing tougher work around the house, creating stability, etc. while also maintaining the ability to have the more feminine traits like emotional support through friendships, self-care, etc. Men haven't been socially afforded the same expansion, mostly held back by other men. Like God forbid a guy have a skin care routine, or decorate his home all on his own, that's gay!
  
  mostly held back by other men
  That’s an important thing to note. Patriarchy hurts men, just in a different way. If women are objects, then not being able to “possess” enough or any is a marker of failure.
  I’m the kind of radical feminist that would like to get rid of gender entirely tbh. I like being a man, but I kind of want it to be something we do for fun rather than force it on people.
- In 2013/14 my common law gf applied for life insurance on herself, she was a teacher. The insurance company didn't want to insure her without me cosigning in case she ever lost her job and couldn't pay the premimums. Like wtf. A) its not 1950s, B) if you can't pay you lose the insurance anyway, so no risk to them.

Yeah the dude in my old neighborhood who drove a Dodge RAM but rearranged the letters so it said "WAR" on the tailgate instead, and had a bumper sticker that said "KILL EVERYTHING" in that script that's like, "badass Gothic tribal" but in reality is just floral minus the actual flowers... Not all clown cars are smol
- Maximum “never actually been in a war” energy there.

Repost of https://lemmy.world/post/28076707
- Probably the same bot farm

~~memes~~ persecutioncomplextriggers

I've seen this """""meme""""" four times in the last week.
We get it, it's low quality bait. Move along.
- I don't think it's intended as bait, but jesus fuck, it sure is taken that way.
  
  First time I thought the same. But it getting spammed as much, surely have a purpose. To me it smells like bait.
- Dude. Take a break. The rest of us just got here.

"Men are terrible and will hurt you because this is lifetime."

Women can be dishwashers.*
*If women work in the position of dishwasher in a restaurant.

More sociological insights from the keen minds who tell us you need a small penis to like sports cars.
- There is a male loneliness problem. The meme is making fun of the toxic dickheads that are part of the problem and lack the self awareness to realize it.
  "Why don't the people I treat like shit like me?!"
  
  You're reading it as being directed toward toxic men only, I'm reading it as blaming the male loneliness epidemic on men in general being toxic.