It's hard to say goodbye

I feel like Lemmy is starting to have a real problem with houlier-than-thou posting.
Life is fucking shit, if people want to cope through that with a little recreational drug use, let them enjoy that small pleasure. If you don't want to vape, more power to you, just don't act like it makes you better than them.
- It’s just a joke based on a stereotype. It’s not that deep.
  
  My bad, I was talking about comments in the thread, nit the meme itself.

A lot of them also vape in the building when they think they won't get caught
- Who cares, it doesn’t even smell like anything, let alone in the ballpark of cigs
  I am more annoyed by stinky heavy perfumes. Let’s tell people who enter buildings smelling like whole periodic table to think about their life.
  I am routinely pinching my nose with my fingers near them and staring but they rarely get the memo.
  Nothing worse when someone enters on 0 floor and you smell C16H14O2 on the tenth
  
  yeah my mint vape in the bathroom with no visible vapor is the issue not you grown adults that still wear axe like middle school boys, or refuse to take showers or wear real deodarant
  
  it doesn’t even smell like anything
  do you exist?
  
  Honestly, I was at an indoor event with live music just this past weekend. They had a fog machine (a real one, that's not a metaphor), and I saw at least one person get up on stage during one of the performances, and in the middle of the performances, they whipped out their vape and took a big rip literally in front of hundreds of people, including staff at the facility and everything. Nobody gave a shit.
  If you're just sitting in a corridor and chugging on a vape, I'm pretty sure someone will care, but if you take the odd puff, and you're not in people's faces about it then it's unlikely anyone will give enough of a shit to say anything.
  Aside from that, I want to amplify that there is a residue from vaping, it is very little compared to cigarettes or any other combustible tobacco/nicotine product. I usually notice it the most in my car. It makes the windows look almost oily....
  I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult to get off of the surfaces, after all, e-juice is water soluble. I'm not saying it's easy, just not hard, especially if you compare to the tar from combustible tobacco products...
  
  Found the vaper
  
  As someone who does vape, I can tell you for a fact it does leave a residue. It takes a LONG time to build up, and even then it's only really noticeable on transparent things like glass, but it's a pain to clean off without specific cleaners. Otherwise it looks perpetually smeared. Best to avoid it so the employees don't have to guess why their windows won't clean right.

I once insinuated that I hated the smell of vapes and people downvoted me, saying "noooo but blueberry muffin flavour actually smells so goooood"
Yeah okay buddy, I think you're one of the ones I'd find wandering the streets vaping in front of everyone
Edit: to the people currently downvoting me, you guys do know vaping can also give you cancer and increases your risk of respiratory disease, right? And by vaping in front of other people you're forcing that risk on to them, right? Grow a little empathy
- i really don't care what you put in your body of your own volition, whether legal or not. go for it, i'm not in a place to look down on you. but just don't make me breathe in your vape cloud. I smoke and I will only smoke in private or amongst people who smoke with me, or who have given me an explicit thumbs up to smoke near them. to do otherwise would be douchy.
- This is true, but it's so much better than walking through cig smoke, or smelling that shit in someone's car, or the nightmare of walking into someone's house that has tar all over the walls and furniture because they smoke in the house.
  I'll take mass replacement of cigs with vape any day.
  
  It's better poison, but it's still poison -A former vaper...vapist?
- I was with you until you tried to lecture people on what's bad for them or not. Yes people know. Lots of things are bad for you, they are adults.
  Did you know science has proven that being on social media is bad for you?
- There is no direct evidence vaping causes cancer.
  The main components of vape juice are polyene glycol and vegetable glycerin. Both of which are completely benign and added into many every day products. And before vaping nicotine was a thing, it has been used as a safe drug delivery method for decades.
  
  To say there's no direct evidence is disingenuous. Yes, there are no peer reviewed articles that directly correlate vaping and cancer chance, but guess what there also isn't? Studies that say they're safe
  The reason for this is simple: there's about a 14 year delay between any smoking changes and lung cancer presenting itself. Extrapolate that to three trials, and you're looking at minimum 50 years before it can hit shelves
  What is known about vapes is that they contain many of the same carcinogens found in cigarettes, which should be a red flag to most people
- There are people that are addicted to a drug the government will not regulate because they are taxing the shit out of the addicted. Grow a little empathy.
  Especially for the vapers because they allready diminish the harm to them and others. The exoust fumes of the car beside you are many more times dangerous than the passive vape you could inhale.
  
  I'm specifically calling out people who downvoted me for saying I don't like the smell of vapes
  I'm honestly with you, I think cigarette and vape sales should be criminalised, smokers are being taken advantage of both by the government and the smoko sellers

Why do smokers of all kinds have to smoke right in front of the door of every fucking building?
- At my apartment buulding they stand right in front of the no smoking sign at the front step to the building on the building's property where smoking is not allowed. If they stabd 5 ft over, they're on the sidewalk where it's okay.
  But nope, they have to stand right there.
- I remember when they did it INSIDE buildings. And cars. Schools, hospitals... if you lived through the 80's you just have the pervasive smell of tobacco registered as a prime core memory.
  
  I use to live in Vegas as a child occasionally. We'd sometimes go to the casinos for shows and have to cross The Floor
  I can still feel it on my skin decades and decades later
  
  I remember looking for the grocery carts with built in ashtray.
- Because they're selfish inconsiderate pricks who can't fathom how disgusting they truly are.
- Because that tiny overhang is the only goddamn shade/rain shelter in this entire city block. People love designating "that spot over there" as the smoking spot but hate putting any sort of shelter from the elements.
  
  So? Whoever brought the cigarettes should bring a jacket or umbrella too.
  That spot "over there" is so the smelly smoke can also stay "over there" and not end up in the lungs of healthy people.
  
  Go get wet fucker, I give no fucks, you chose to smoke not me.
- It felt like that for me in a lot of Europe, but not America.
- Probably because they're addicted, enjoy the high, and don't have the means or strength of character to quit.
  
  Or they have undiagnosed ADHD and haven't associated the effect of nicotine with their seminormality mask they can only maintain with legal stimulants.
- Noooooo you can't use smoking you must doomscroll social media and consoom products!!!! You can't be getting dopamine from chemicals you MUST CONSOOOM PRODUCT!!!!!
  
  Bro, Imma be honest, as a nicotine addict, I wouldnt encourage anyone get on it. You start seeing nicotine as a stimulant that you "need" to get through difficult tasks, or tasks that need focus, or shit, maybe you even need to game a bit better because you're sleep deprived(caused by the nicotine) and having an extra stimulant alongside some caffeine might help. You start using it to get through stuff, and then because of withdrawals, that """""justifies""""" your use of it to get through stuff even more. Not to mention nicotine's bad effects on your gum health and cardiovascular health.
  By the way, for anyone reading this, fuck vaping. Harder to quit than smoking because a lot of people get nicotine salt disposables, or their mental process when in withdrawal/craving phase is "oh it's just vapor, not smoke which is carcinogenic, one more hit couldn't hurt". Which is true, smoke, tar, combustion, etc is the main cancer causing part of nicotine, but thinking of it like that doesn't help you quit.
  Don't smoke, don't vape. Longest I've lasted is a month so far, and that's because I threw my little nic salt pen and carts away.
  Edit Addendum: Btw, this is typed by a mofo who is still vaping, I relapsed. I fell into that same line of logic above. "I need it to get through work" type shit
- Where the fuck do I light one up then, your holy highness?
  
  Any place where you don’t force your smoke upon people who have no choice about being there. It’s not that hard: Don’t make your smoking anybody else’s problem.
  Or, if this is more your style of communicating: Up your ass.
  
  In Canada, a minimum of 6' away from the door unless you want a fine.
  
  As far from me as you would like to be when I drop a huge smelly fart.
  
  In the trash where you belong

Because they have from the car to the door to do it then who knows how long.
- Because the vape makes me go from my hyper impusilve impatient regular self who I was long before vaping (and why I started using nicotine or seeked it out in the first place) and patient temporarily, I get like an hour at least out of that hit before entering a building, usually do it because I forgot to vape before leaving or while walking.
  The issue isn't that I need to hit it right then and there, the issue always comes later when the restless legs kick in. Btw maybe not great to know for those with restless legs, ive had it forever growing up, nicotine/thc combo makes it go away temporarily and you can stop being distracted by your body and actually do stuff with full focus.
  
  No shade from me. I get it.
- Almost like it's an addiction
  
  No shit.

Lmao I didn't expect to get called out like this while scrooling

I'm glad I quit smoking and never did vapes.
- I'm literally on a holiday now I can pay because I quit smoking. it's still attractive to me, but it's not really worth it in terms of cost/pleasure gained.
- Same except I did do vapes. And yeah it was really hard to quit the vapes, but I think it did help me.
  titrating down by mixing some low nic juice and 0% nic juice helped. Although I swear going from 0.0001% like trace amounts to actually fully 0% with a clean pod hit like a mac truck of anxiety and dread panic.

And I'll fuckin do it again.

If they banned drinking coffee indoors, you'd see people greedily and overzealously tapping the bottom of the cup for the last drop of precious magic fluid to touch their quivering tongue before entering a building.
Incidentally I'll take the smell of a fruit vape cloud over coffee sphincter breath all day long.
- Well one smell is one you don't like, the other actually damages your (and everyone around you) health.
  
  Everyone is acting like they're blowing it directly in your face... Walk down a city street and you just inhaled a ton of shit, but no one says anything lol. Hell, opening a window in an office in some towns with their are quality would be more damaging. But the vape, that's the problem.
  Also the point stands, tons of people are addicted to coffee and act generally the same. I don't know why people just love acting each other over everything.
  
  I bet it’s not more and even neutral compared to the shit you breathe in when city commuting lol

It's water vapor dudes, just do it inside.
- PG/VG are ~~oils not water~~ huh til they're actually just viscous liquids called diols that contain two alcohol groups! still not water though
  
  They're not oils or they'd all have died after a few puffs.
  
  You think that cloud of smoke coming out of people's mouth is oil?