SHOCK POLL: AOC a Close Second Place Behind Kamala Harris in 2028 Democratic Primary
SHOCK POLL: AOC a Close Second Place Behind Kamala Harris in 2028 Democratic Primary
A poll looking 3 years ahead is about as accurate as an astrological chart (and just to be clear, those are worthless).
Is this wise? As an outside observer I had the impression that Harris lost in part because of systematic, subtle and overt racism and sexism. All this applies to AOC, too. Do the Democrats want to lose? Don't they have some sort of JFK look-alike, people actually want to vote? It's not as if appearance wasn't way more important in the US than things like the actual political agenda.
Is there even going to be another election?
I'd vote for AOC over Kamala, 100%.
I mean, I still voted for Kamala, but I wasn't excited about it.
If you think in terms of "lanes" AOC is the only left wing potential candidate on there, 21% support is actually not persuasive in her odds to actually be the candidate.
I feel very good about her chances to run the Bernie playbook and end with a top 3 amount of delegates but in an actual primary the lanes would clear up as people drop out and it is hard to see her consolidating support from like, Gavin Newsome.
Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.
I'm so tired.
There are no true Scotsmen in this thread.
yeah, zero interest in supporting kamala "keep arming isreal" fucking harris again.
Yeah Trump was definitely better choice for this. Thank God we got Trump eh
How's that working out for you?
Harris could've eased Israel. Trump is capitulating 1000%. Gaza will be an ash pile in a year.
Thank fuck you didn't vote for Harris lmao. What a load of single-issue dogshit.
It's working out about as well as we expected it would. The Democrats were loudly told that running a terrible candidate, who supported genocide was a bad idea. They didn't listen, and here we are.
I feel like getting made at the people who couldn't stomach voting for a genocidist is the wrong strategy. Getting mad at the people who ran on a platform of genocide seems like a better strategy.
yeah, zero interest in supporting kamala “keep arming isreal” fucking harris again.
Thank fuck you didn’t vote for Harris lmao.
You twats aren't even litterate.
When will you people learn "fuck you, accept this candidate or else" doesn't work? You can't blackmail and extort your constituents.
Harris would not have eased Israel, she herself said as much.
This comment isn't about the 2024 election, it's about the next one. Can the DNC not provide a candidate who refuses to arm a military committing genocide?
We should just vote 3rd party instead LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
We're 2.5-3 years away from the primary race even starting, and 3+ years away from the convention. This poll means absolutely nothing at this point.
From the outside, it actually kinda looks like you're an entire civil war away from the next election...
We are at zero momentum now and we need to rally around some positions (not some person-- positions that cant be negotiated away) and drive them home. Plus we have a midterm election season upcoming thats arguably more important than 2028. Stop trying to slow the process down. You are absolutely not helping here.
Second place to Harris??? Holy fuck we deserve our fate.
Edit: upon reading the article (I know...) AOC has the best net favorability. So a little more hopium there.
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone. You're way more up to speed on the options than the average American voter. We need to put energy into getting people like AOC in front of as many disengaged and unaware people as possible. NOT complain and whine that everything isn't handed to us on a platter.
She's in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there's nothing we can do.
We are closer than we've ever been in my lifetime.
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone.
Yeah I read the article, that headline is almost misleading in its support for Harris if anything. AOC has the best net
NOT complain and whine that everything isn’t handed to us on a platter.
She’s in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there’s nothing we can do.
I shouldn't have to educate grown adults on shit this important they ought to desire to learn on their own. They should know who the hell AOC is JFC. So I'm still disgusted, just significantly less so. And like, I'll inevitably try to promote AOC, but I don't owe this country shit. I want to leave, I only can't thus far due to money/resources.
The fact that Harris is considered as an option indicates your statement is correct.
I jumped the gun, its still bad but AOC has the best net favorability out of them all. Harris has the most support by sheer name recognition. Its bad that people don't know who AOC is though.
This poll is pretty pointless, as far as actually getting to know who people specifically want. The top runner this far out is pretty much always the last person to have run, because the political climate hadn't changed that much and nobody has campaigned for the next nomination yet.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
Embarrassing (for me)... upon actually reading the article, the headline is almost misleading. AOC has the highest net favorability of them all, and Harris is only past her due to name recognition.
I'm baffled how there is that many people unaware of AOC though.
Yeah okay pack it in boys, we're screwed lol.
Why even bother to run a primary at this point? Just let the DNC select their candidate so we can skip out on the 6 months of sham and shilling.
On the bright side, if the DNC runs Kamala or Shapiro maybe itll leave rank and file democrats hungry for some other alternative to the garbage candidates forced down their throats.
Also told all yall we need progressives to split from DNC and form a fresh 3rd party bruh.
This is a recipe to ensure Republicans fully sweep every election and progressives are ignored even more than they already are. American politics are so incredibly broken, but isolating yourself by breaking off into a party that has 0 chance of ever winning anything isn't going to fix anything.
Well if the DNC doesn't want to win and get Trump out, they don't have to run a candidate. If they want to split the vote from an engaged voter base wanting something new to kick out the fascist, that's on them.
That's why people are interested in the fun way of making a third party.
And how has running the DNC picks been working out?
If the Democrats aren't going to give the people what they want, it's time to give a 3rd party a shot.
Jfc here we fuckin go again. Lemme guess DNC, this will totally be an open primary right? Anyone can win?
They're going to fuck us again. They thrive on failure. Weaponized ineptitude.
Feels like controlled opposition. I know we need to engage with the democratic party because they're the best we got but JFC can they stop sucking corporate dick for 5 seconds.
As much fun as that sounds, they won't get a chance to fuck us again. Not really anyway. Maybe a performative dance, but that'd be it.
The fact that Kamala is even going to try to run again shows how fucked that party is.
To be fair to Kamala, she hasn't announced that she's running in 2028. Neither has AOC for that matter. This is just some pollster polling against some names that people might have heard of.
The fact that's she's leading in the polls is fucking crazy
The worse the republicans screw up, the more the Democrats are convinced they don't need to change. I don't think Kamala is going to end up on the ticket. I think the democratic establishment is going to push Gavin Newsom and Rahm Emanuel or something dumb like that.
Bruh, it's a meaningless poll. There's no election coming up. Hoping and pretending isn't going to change anything. Forget any pretense of another election.
I know it's fucking ridiculous. She didn't get people to the polls last time against Trump... if she can't get people to vote against him she can't get people to vote at all.
Says everything.
A PROSECUTOR IS OUR LIBERAL SAVIOR?!?!?!?!
I read the headline and couldn't believe it
If only your drmocrat handlers let you vote for who you want and not for who they choose.
so people think that AOC or Harris is going to win in this very racist/sexist country we are in? Guess it will be Trump again.
Obama was one of our most popular presidents in my lifetime. Hillary won the popular vote.
Yes, American clearly has racism and sexism, but I don't think those have been the problem. The problem is running terrible candidates that ignore what Americans are looking for.
I think its likely both. They would have to not only be a decent candidate they would have to be spectacular to overcome inherent bias and pick up votes from independents and the other party to make up for that bias.
Your Obama got in, and what's more they were excited to vote for what seemed like actual charge.
What do you mean "your" he isn't mine in any way. He is just some guy who was president. I don't idolize politicians.
That's what stirred up the racists.
Kamala was an unpopular candidate attached to an unpopular presidency. Sure, the race and gender aspect was must definitely used to manipulate MAGA - but that doesn't matter. Whoever Biden chose as VP that would end up running for president would be demonized in one way or another by Russian, Chinese, and U.S. propaganda. They would have lost as well.
Kamala lost because she was perfect in every way but people are simply racist. No other reason can be thought up. She was the best candidate ever and everyone loved her policies. Especially when she showed up with Liz Cheney.
Lol it was always going to be trump again because fair elections don't exist anymore.
If Trump's in the running again, none of our laws mean anything and there's no point having an election.
Also this. I don't even know if an election could be considered real if he is running again.
Yeah running a woman against trump… again. Third times the charm right?
The democratic party is cooked if it runs Kamala again. There is no way Kamala is running this high in the polls.
There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC. She's expressed ideas like getting rid of the filibuster, which would be great while "your" party is in charge, but is one of the very few checks available for a minority party to halt truly controversial legislation. The extra steps are kind of dumb, but the foundational idea that legislation should at least require a 60/40 majority most of the time enforces an idea of compromise and representation in almost every bill.
I would shudder to think what a bad president could put through if unchecked by the opposition party in an essentially 50/50 politically divided populace.
The filibuster is also a tool the democratic party isn't using. No point in keeping something that only helps one side.
There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC
Don't worry. They'll sit on their asses extra hard for the next election (LOL!) and make sure that the Cthulhu/Lucifer ticket wins.
STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT ELECTIONS!!! ELECTIONS ARE NOT HAPPENING! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULLS THAT VOTING WILL NOT SAVE US.
You guys still think there will be free elections in 2028?
Oh, I expect you'll get the opportunity to fill out little bubbles on a piece of paper. The way they control people is through controlling information. The only way it usually fails is if people are starving or if some bad info leaks out. Keep em fat and happy and they keep voting. And pay attention to how the government treats whistleblowers.
In the rare case voters get mad about something and switch to vote for the other side, the elite still win. Oligarchs fund both parties.
Yes. I do expect that. Your pansy lay down and die attitude might allow Trump to have a third term though.
I'm shocked that Harris is in first place...
It's a meaningless poll that reflects name recognition and little else.
I'm not. Most people are very passive politically and only know what the evening nees mentions. Most of them probably don't know who AOC is (or perhaps only knows her by 'AOC' and the forms used her full name).
Harris is their default poll vote because they recognise her name
I used to be shocked Biden was #1 in 2019. Turns out, name recognition matters more than anything else, and Harris had a historic campaign budget. (Not that it was used well, but AOC has never had that level of PR)
Current DNC leadership might push Hillary for 2028
Not a chance. They'll go for Biden.
Insert I’m tired boss meme here.
I'm not,
I'm genuinely skeptical that most polls are an accurate sampling of the population. Most people I know would never sit through a phone poll. Most polls reek of phishing. One of the very first phone polls said that Dewy would beat Truman in a landslide. It was completely wrong because it was predominantly rich people who had the phones to even answer the polls.
Who has the time for polls? Who drops by the candidate booths at the state fair? It's a type for sure.
The only poll I have been a part of all last year was a phone poll entirely about optometrists and eye appointments and how they should be handled in the healthcare system. I couldn't even finish it because the entire things was just... painful to go through.
Why on earth would you run kamala again? The democrats can't afford to learn anymore lessons. School is out. Time to start producing.
Why on earth would you run kamala again?
democrats would nominate trump if the alternative was a progressive.
Because they still believe "put in your time and wait your turn" is how the world works
They're never going to learn. It's time to tea party them, by 2028 we need a strong enough progressive faction to force them to cooperate or be replaced
Why on earth would you run kamala again?
Because you thought watching her faceplant in 2020 was hilarious and you want a repeat.
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can't afford to learn anymore lessons.
Lol!!! They can afford the whole school!! They are laughing hand in hand with Republicans all the way to the bank!!
"BUT THEY ARE BETTER THO!"
Objectively, they are better.
If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn't.
Like when she was up there giving her chatgpt, "make me sound inspirational" concession speech rather than just being mad as hell like the rest of us. She's plays leader but she will sit in the manager cubical while the rest of us eat the company provided cold turkey in the break room the day before Thanksgiving.
I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…
Exactly why she's not a leader. A leader understand that you don't have time to lick you wounds when the enemy is at your door. She should be fighting harder now, not sulking.
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.
Obviously she's not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn't deserve pity.
If I were her, I would have had a plan B knowing what the right wingers were up to, and it should have looked a lot like what Bernie and AOC are doing. Instead she showed up then fucked off to somewhere else after hanging out with Dick Cheney for a few months.
Yeah. I have a lot of problems with Kamala The Cop. But she lost what might be the final election in American History. That takes a lot out of you
You feel sorry for that god awful campaign?
Drained and devastated but willing to lose again? Spray this turd down the drain of your empathy and out of a leadership roll.
If she's still drained and devastated months after losing, she's not emotionally mature enough to be president. What's going to happen the first time a soldier gets killed in combat? At least Hillary has some cajones, Harris never gave me that impression.
So she should be all recovered by '28 then? /s
They cheated, and we ALL know it. If she's upset about anything, it's that she was cheated out of her historic legacy, and the spineless Democratic party backed HitlerPig over her.
If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she's selling.
Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.
Is she even considering running at all?
I can't imagine thinking about "serving people" when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?
Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn't vote, you signed off on our current reality.
But you're not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they're all conversations for a better time; done and done.
Nope. I voted 3rd party because I didn't want Trump, and I also didn't want Harris. Maybe if Harris had tried campaining on what Americans wanted, rather than trying to win over people who were obviously not going to vote for her, we wouldn't be here.
But she chose genocide, money, and the Cheneys over winning an election against one of the least popular presidents we've ever had.
Nah, 3rd party voters at least voted. This solely lies on the folks who didn't vote.
You're talking to someone who was vehemently campaigning for her during the general. She didn't fail any purity test. She failed at having a good strategy, and it was pretty obvious at the time she was making a big gamble. And I articulated this during the election, while telling all the 3rd party voters on lemmy that they were fucking morons.
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Kamala is trash, simple as. She failed horrendously.
Hillary 2028!!
It's Her Turn.™
Don't even joke about that. We need fresh blood, fresh ideas, and separation from the old regime.
Democrats will do it if she vows to move right.
Great, they are clearly running the campaign for JD Vance then.
See ya in 2028 with JD as president
Don't be silly, he'll already be president. Theres no fucking way that drippy ghoul has 3 years and 9 months left.
No deets on methodology. “Of Democrats”. How many? Where? Registered Dems? Likely voters? 2024 voters?
It matters greatly. In the primaries, Obama was invisible to pollsters that were only looking at prior Dem voters. His support came mostly from first-timers and independents.
Why is Harris even mentioned? She should disappear like Hillary.
Nobody wants this person to run again.
Anyone doing a poll would be negligent not to include the previous nominee and former vice president. That's not to imply she's a good choice, only that she's an obvious choice.
Good point 👍
Anecdotally, my sister does. I was baffled when she said it and had to try my best to respond politely, because she's the only other person in my family who isn't a Republican.
From my perspective, she bombed out of 2020 despite being a media darling cast as the frontrunner, and then was just handed the nomination in 2024 without a real primary and still lost, both of which demonstrate she has terrible political instincts and isn't popular enough to win. From her perspective, the fact that she dropped out in 2020 before any votes were casts means she was never given a fair chance, and the fact that she was handed the nomination meant she didn't have enough time to make her case and the unusual circumstances are what caused her to lose, and if she just had another chance she'd nail it.
I'm pretty sure she's an outlier though and most people are just saying Kamala because of name recognition.
Your sister is pointing at every tree while missing the forest.
I'm fine with her running in a Primary.
Harris polls in 1st place
Lemmy Leftists: "no one wants Harris!"
Y'all are in a bubble.
Harvard poll: 72% of Dem voters prefer more left-leaning candidates like Sanders and AOC over moderates like Harris.
Lemmy Leftists: Yes.
Cryophilia: Y'all are in a bubble.
This is why Kamala Harris famously won the 2020 nomination and went on to become president, because she was polling in first place before the campaign process started.
Harris is guaranteed to lose 2028 if she is somehow the dem nominee instead of the republican nominee. There aren't enough right wingers willing to abandon the name republican to vote for her.
We'll see how your fucking bubble turns out when the time comes. Harris couldnt even beat fucking Trump and you think she will win a primary? Batshit.
Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what's gonna win the votes
I read it as "it's a shock that she came in second" lol
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I'm leery about running another woman right now. Neither Hillary nor Kamala could win against Trump.
That said, I can't think of anyone I'd be happier to vote for. I dream of her being President. I don't know if swing states will have it, but I would fight to make it so.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. There's no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don't see it as a big deal.
Also, lots of open racists voted for Obama. If you look at the polling and the interviews, it was much more about running conservative Democrats trying to get the votes of people who wanted to shake things up. That's what Obama promised, that's why Sanders would've won, by some measures, and it seems AOC is out there generating the same buzz.
Hillary and Kamala were awful candidates - they wouldn't have won if they were men or if it were the first coming of Christ. (I'm skeptical he ever arrived at all). The DNC is the blame for their failure. Hillary was out of touch. Kamala had too many issues to list.
All that aside, they would have presidented circles around Trump.
Maybe because Hillary and Kamala were terrible candidates? Are you kidding me?
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now.
...that we're talking about a progressive woman.
Exactly zero people who voted for trump last election will vote for a non-white woman.
Country is fucked.
I'm a huge AOC supporter, but she should wait a 2 or 3 cycles (if there are any cycles anymore). I'd rather see her take Schumer's senate seat, and serve there for a term or two first, and succeed Bernie as the Senate's progressive leader.
A Democratic centrist literally polled at #1. It's in the headline.
Needs a little Asterisk* next to centrist and a footnote
*still way further left than any Republican
AOC is a progressive. Harris was too, prior to her role as VP.
Running Harris was a mistake in 2024 and it would be a mistake if it happens in 2028
Wasn't Harris their only option since Biden took so long to drop out?
She was the only one that could legally access campaign funds since there was no time for a primary.
It was either going to be him or her and both options were far from ideal.
There was time for a primary, but the DNC wanted to be sure and clamp down on any possible dissent. They wanted to make it clear that they get to pick the candidates, and the voters have to deal with it.
Not quite, the DNC was still ahead. But democrats didn't want the optics of a last-minute open primary where the candidates rip into each other trying to get the nomination on live TV. Plus Kamala herself seemed to move quickly and wanted the nomination before anyone had a chance to get a word in.
Which is a stupid argument if the presidency comes with pardon powers.
LOL. still not moving? chuck schumer and nancy still doing their thing? that is not a real democracy.
What shock? AOC is the only one in that party with clear positioning
It's why suddenly the "How DARE Sanders allegedly say that Warren might have a hard time because she's a woman" wing of the party is now like "Women can't win" as soon as a progressive woman is seizing the moment.
wOmEn ArE uNeLeCtAbLe
the party that has only tried running GOP-lite corpo women
Anything a progressive says is evil and must be deplatformed. Anything a Republican thinks must be platformed and normalized.
It feels like everyone is desperate to loose, if someone came up with a contest where winning cost you a lot of money and was nothing but pain and suffering then the race would look exactly the same as it does between dema and reps.
Wouldn't be the first time someone accused the parties of operating as Controlled Opposition.
"How could you have picked worse candidates than this?" is a question I've been hearing since Clinton beat Bush Sr with the (unintentional) help of Ross Perot.
So the Democrats are not interested in public opinion and is hellbent on always making every election about identity politics. I’m saying this as someone who has always (regrettably) voted democrat in every election since 1992. Inclusivity is important, but why is it always…always the only talking point coming from the left. The message that everyone should be able to get behind is the insane wealth disparity that exists, most especially in America. I remember when everyone on the left was sooo happy, so thrilled when Kirsten Sinema was elected as Senator for Arizona because she was bisexual, as if that’s somehow a qualification, and how she took a huge dump on working class Americans. Has anyone given thought to the Astronaut? You know, the guy whose wife was affected by political violence? The guy who seems reasonable and well spoken ? Middle America might actually vote for someone like Mark Kelly who flew combat missions during the gulf war. Why is the Democratic Party so obsessed with AOC? She’s not a bad person, the right obviously hates her, and that’s shitty, but it doesn’t mean she should automatically be the darling of the Democratic Party, the obsession confuses me honestly, her personality is a bit grating tbh. Democrats are hellbent on either choosing and ineffective milquetoast man or a disingenuous woman.
I hope we actually get a 2028 election
I doubt we'll even have the 2026 midterms. HitlerPig can't afford to lose his majority in either chamber, or Dems will have control of investogative committees with subpoena and arrest powers. So he'll engineer a justification for Martial Law, and suspend elections.
He'll have to time it right, so that the courts can't properly react, so it will probably happen late next summer, likely with a series of violent attacks on demonstrations, which ought to be common and huge by next summer. He'll just encourage his J6 RedHats to instigate trouble at protests around the nation, and they'll respond since he's already pardoned and paid them (he's planning on compensating them for their trouble). Many won't miss an opportunity to get a free pass to fuck up liberal protesters.
Once we've missed the 2026 election, it will be easier to ignore the 2028 election. Of course, the outcry will be enormous, but it's Martial Law, so he can put loudmouths in prison without due process, and there is will be no functional court system to stop him.
Such an underrated comment fr.
Fuck Harris, we have no more time for right wing "liberals." She needs to get the fuck out of the way and progressives need to take charge
Fucking morons never learn.
Oh they learn, the wrong lessons.
At this early stage when there isn't an obvious choice (like an incumbent or VP), this is really a measure of name recognition more than anything.
I don't know what the field is going to look like when the primaries roll around, but I highly doubt that Kamala will make it anywhere near the nomination again. She had her chance, she's extremely unlikely to get another one. The last time a Democrat got the nomination a second time after a loss was Adlai Stevenson in 1956, and he only got it because most of the other possible candidates stayed out of the race because they expected Eisenhower to win in a landslide.
She had her chance, she’s extremely unlikely to get another one.
She had two chances. Her first one was an abysmal failure. If she had any sense, she would've learned then and there that her own party doesn't even like her. And the only reason she got a second chance was because the DNC handed it to her on a silver platter. I get why they opted out of having another primary so late in the game, but she was the absolute worst choice they could've made.
This poll may as well have just asked people "which of these names do you recognize?", because that's really all it tells us.
EDIT: It just hit me that you meant she had her chance as the nominee. I'm dumb.
Where the fuck has Harris been this whole time? How has she remained relevant? WTF is wrong with the DNC (gestures wildly at all their dumb shit)?
I would suggest Harris to look for a spot in the Supreme Court
She's far enough to the right.
Ayyy. This shouldn't be a shock. I think AOC should be seen as a favourite to emerge as the Democratic nominee in 2028... if we get an election then.
I will be shocked if the Dem establishment doesn't run Newsom and do their damndest to ratfuck AOC like they did with Bernie.
Sure, there's a lot of time between now and a theoretical 2028 presidential cycle...
But I have learned to set expectations pessimistically and be surprised in the optimism direction, not the other way around.
I would vote for Newsom...as President of the breakaway Republic of California
I will be shocked if the Dem establishment doesn’t run Newsom and do their damndest to ratfuck AOC like they did with Bernie.
Newsom is demonstrating his willingness to sprint to the right.
Can we turn this into an interactive debate? Like a fantasy football dashboard meets lemmy?
Cory Booker talked all that time for nothing
Cory is probably aiming for Schumer’s position.
What??? Why is Kamala still in the running AT ALL?!?! jesus fucking christ.
As others have said, if Harris was out there doing what Bernie and AOC have been doing, then maybe there would be room for discussion. As it stands now? Nah, step aside sis.
Harris needs to permanently fuck off. AOC 2028.
I would like both Bernie and AOC to run for president, each with the other as their VP. Either winning would improve America.
Ideally, we get Bernie-AOC for 2028 and 2032, then AOC + ??? for 2036 and 2040. This nation is in dire need of dedicated progressive leadership, considering how far right the ship has tilted.
I like Bernie, but no fucking way should you elect someone that old AGAIN. He can create a great platform for AOC, but even he knows it's time for the younger crowd to get a voice.
Wouldn't it be nice to not have a president who is very likely to die from a harsh cough for once?
That is why AOC is there on the ticket. VPs exist to take over if the president kicks the bucket.
Bluntly, we need good people in office. While I definitely support reforms to force age and term limits on our politicians, that can only happen if good people are willing to change the system. The system is currently run by corrupt and fossilized politicians who won't permit change. Getting good people into office is required for positive change.
This takes time, one where a Bernie-AOC presidency can enable. Bernie and AOC, unlike the likes of Pelosi, will allow younger and progressive people to take leadership roles throughout government. It will take at least 10 years to replace the old guard - a two term progressive presidency just isn't enough for that sort of generational shift.
There was a poll showing that Trump won voters who don't follow politics at all by 14 points. There seems to be a substantial proportion of the population who just picks who they vote for based on how well things have been going for them for the last 4 or 8 years.
With inflation, the pendulum swung towards Trump. After 4 years of tariffs, declining dollar value and Trump being unable to run again, I think that pendulum will swing fairly hard to the left. So conventional wisdom on not picking a candidate who will scare off centrists could be out the window. In which case, you might as well nominate AOC or someone similar.
Of course, president AOC won't be able to accomplish all the things she wants to without a supportive congress and getting that to happen is a much bigger challenge than winning the presidency.
After 4 years of tariffs, declining dollar value and Trump being unable to run again, I think that pendulum will swing fairly hard to the left.
Trump is doing everything from threatening the media for failing to parrot regime propaganda to trying to render citizens to concentration camps after only a few months in power, and you think the US will still have free and fair elections in four years?!
The US has never had free nor fair elections.
I think Elon Musk and Peter Thiel are going to try and squeeze 2 years out of Trump and then get rid of him. JD Vance can serve 2 years of Trump's term and still run for two terms of his own. The 2024 election was rigged and the future elections will be as well. JD Vance being unpopular won't keep him from winning.
Outside of AOC or Sanders, I will write in for a chimpanzee.
Kamala Harris is a two-time loser. Who would vote for her?
The DNC. It's a tried and true strategy to screw over the progressives.
Think what kind of clapping seal would believe she's gonna fix things
I'm GLAD that Democrats LEARNED from their Past Elections and are running a KNOWN LOSER WHO COULDNT BEAT A LITERAL FASCIST who Ran on the Platform of Ruining Our Lives! It pairs VERY WELL with Chuck Schumer's Policy of doing NOTHING while American Citizens are Deported to El Salvadorian DEATH CAMPS!
Imagine losing to a carnival barker 2 times and not learning a thing from it. They will run their 2016 and 2024 playbook again in 2018 and wonder how they lost, again.
The Poll isn't by the DNC it's by Yale University. Dufus.
We're not voting our way out of this.