History lives in the present

It worked so well when they did the same thing for themselves and Ireland.
- Also that whole India/Pakistan thing. And I seem to remember some stuff happening in Africa.
  
  The secret ingredient is running the fuck away before either of them notice.
  
  And the Soviets did the same with Armenia and Azerbaijan.
  
  Because all those countries had lovely relationships among the people beforehand with absolutely no genocide and war.
  Really easy to make perfect borders that makes everyone happy.
- It always works out fine for them. I don't know why anybody says imperialism or colonialism are bad or destructive, seems to me that Britain and France and Spain and Portugal and the Dutch are all doing fine. Really weird how maps of their empires seem to overlap a lot with parts of the world that currently or recently experienced a lot of, idk let's call it "troubles?" They must be dumb or smth
  
  Well, since those former colonies can't quite work it out on their own, maybe they should just be brought back into their respective empires again? 🤔
- They even had a nice little name for it, The ~~Troubles~~ Fun Times!
  
  “Spicy diplomacy”
- Lmfao
- Well… it shouldn’t be an issue.

Britain has planted the seeds of hatred and bloodshed in the middle east and is now acting as if it has no responsibility towards resolving the conflict.
It is hard to watch the British media coverage of this war acting all outraged and surprised by the violence while being proud of their historical imperial inheritance .
- Britain is laughably impotent today.
  
  Britain is still one the Hydra's snake heads in World politics even today
- Britain and France are responsible for such an enormous fuck up in Asia, Africa and the middle east, past and present, it's probably impossible to put it in numbers. The US gets bashed a lot (deservedly), but I think those two were planting something way more devastating for generations to come
  
  Don't forget Belgium and the Dutch.

One group was actually living there and the other group moved in and literally ripped people from their homes.
- That's been happening for the last 5,000 years in that region though, since the Canaanites.
  It's not like the Palestinians were the first there.
  
  The Palestinians are descendants of the ancient canaanites. Most of the people in that region never left they just changed their religion at some point. This hasn't always been happening, in Ottoman times Christians Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisted in the region.
  
  That's why I love this video, it explains it very well in a graphic manner:
  https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY?si=maslr0cZLs-xmTl5
- 6 people deny history.
- One group took 2 years to organize an attack on civilians, the other didnt...
  
  The other has been attacking them for decades...
  
  Both sides constantly attack civillians.

Someone's parents never taught them to share.
Obligatory fuck religion.
- Yeah, fuck religion
- Palestine is not a religious entity, and have been in favor of religious coexistence since the very beginning. It is the Zionist state that is exclusive of other religions by design.
  
  All the yelling of "Allahu akbar" while celebrating the death and destruction in Israel, would seem to be in conflict with your statement.
  
  So then, why is their official goal to destroy Israel? Thats 100% a religious war

Also Britain: Oh good, the UN voted in favor of splitting up the land except the entire Arab League voting against the plan? Ok, sounds good, bye guys, have fun!
- It's like an HOA: The council is deciding how to divide up your backyard between your neighbors. The lawn owner is the only dissenting vote and then the neighborhood wonders why they are being so hostile.
  
  Except in this case it costs you not just your backyard but basically your entire life.
  
  In this case the land owner has been renting for 100 years and doesn't really care what the tenant thinks.
- Also Britain: our troops and colonial administrators are getting killed and attacked by both groups of locals, bye guys, I'm noping out of here!

I do hope the Israel and Palestine Wikipedia pages are doing ok.
- Looks like there's a war
- FINE YOU WEIRDO ZEALOTS:
  I do hope the Palestine and Israel Wikipedia pages are doing ok.
  
  wut

It's working as intended, the whole Ottoman Empire was split to create manufactured internal conflict.
- The Ottoman Empire split after WW1, Israel/Palestine happened in 1948. No one was anticipating Hitler doing genocide in 1919. Britain hadn't considered a plan to award Israel to the persecuted Jewish population of Europe at that point in time.
  
  The Balfour Declaration was in 1917, and Britain began discussing support for the Zionist project in Palestine immediately after declaring war on the Ottoman Empire in 1914. The idea dates back to at least 1896 when Theodore Herzl proposed it as a solution to the "Jewish question" which, itself, was being asked as early as the 1750s.
  
  The meme is wrong though and should say WW1, not WW2. The creation of the State of Israel has nothing to do with the Holocaust, all of it was planned before WW2.

Alternate caption: "Zionists smuggling in settlers before the British mandate ended to have enough votes to create a State of Israel as a safe haven for Holocaust refugees, then getting populated mostly by Jews fleeing Arab countries out of fear of retaliation for having created the State of Israel a day early and having pushed most Palestinians out by force"
- You realize that most Israelis came from Europe after WW2?
  or do you think Liebermann, Herzog, Weitzmann, Goldberg, Weinstein etc. are Arabic names?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis 33 % are ethnic Europeans as opposed to 12% from asia and 15% from Africa
  
  Ashkenazim have European surnames because Europeans literally forced them unto Jews. Austro-Hungary, Russian Empire - both had policies for giving Jews "local" surnames (for taxation purposes). It's how you get Jews with German surnames in eastern and central Europe (i.e.the ones you have listed), and how you get Jews with Ukrainian and Russian-ish surnames in the appropriate areas (see Abramovich, Litvak)

Wan't that WW1?
- It was. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BalfourDeclaration
  
  I guess technically ww1 wasn't even over.
- Lol at all of the wannabe thirteen year old edgleords on lemmy who are so confident that they understand this extremely complicated and protracted conflict such that they can reduce it to a single generic cause but can't even be bothered to look up which of the two world wars is the correct one to reference for their edgy meme.
  
  Yeah sure. There is absolutely no pattern of former colonizers creating structures that lead to tensions and violence as they leave. Destabilizing entire regions would never be in the interest of receding former global powers or in the interest of current global powers. They all want all the humans in the world to love each other and live in peace and harmony.
  
  Lol you're as dumb as you are a jerk
  
  It's not that complicated, the land in question has been owned by a conquering empire for the better part of two millenia. After WWII and emipres falling out of favor, splitting it up was decided. The locals didn't like the jews getting a country and attacked, they lost. They mobilized for round two, and Israel hit first and won again. Since then Israel started giving back land it seized to the respective countries, in exchange for not attacking again. The region has been at an uneasy truce for 50ish years other than Palestine launching terrorist attacks every few years.

Borders are violence.
- ~~Borders are~~ violence.
  Religion is violence
  
  Why not both?
- laughs in Australian
  
  laughs in emu
- Even animals patrol and defend their territory. Why should human be any different? If anything else, borders are an improvement over constant skirmishes and raids where two different ethnic groups meet.
  EDIT: Interesting how you completely ignored the "Borders are a solution to constant ethnic clashes" part of my comment
  
  Animals kill and eat their young. They roll or eat shit. They rape. You sure that's the argument you want to use here?
  
  These comments read like a realism vs idealism debate
  
  Interesting how you ignore the reality of constant ethnic clashes and raids inside the borders of many african nations and also across borders e.g. Armenia vs Azerbaijan, Kosovo vs Serbia, Russia vs Ukraine or... Palestine vs Israel.
  
  "animals do it why shouldn't we" is one of the worst reasons to do something. Animals are literally dumber than us.
  
  The animals argument is bad. We are animals and the idea is to refrain of our bad instincts in favour of the greater good most of the time.
  That being said abolition of borders is a very bad idea, a very basic visit of human history will squash any misplaced idealism regarding that subject.
  That also being said immigration is most of the time a good idea as long as you put a consideratr effort into integration for your newly minted citizens.
  Now I realize most of those are opinions without substance, the idea is to realize where people push back and why before backing them up.
  
  What makes you think we should act just like wild animals?
  
  The reason ethnic clashes are happening in the first place, is because there was not enough intermingling between neighbors, in big part because people like you thought humans aren't smarter then animals and should be separated.
  
  The animals argument is fucking stupid.
  How exactly are borders helping? In what was specifically?

This war really makes you hate Britain (and possibly France) for causing unrest in the first place
- Yeah it was a land of peace with no unrest until the British came.
  
  Compared to now it was a utopia.
- Remember to save a little hate for the US
- Every should know about the Sykes–Picot Agreement, it's one of those treaties/laws that have long lasting consequences in the current world (same with ww2 agreements).

Palestinians also contain Christians. Its just the modern term for gentiles in Israel now.

It's not a religious conflict. It's an imperialistic conflict.
- It's both. Religion is a cancer.
  
  I generally agree. It's often used as yet another form of oppression.
  But right now, capitalism and its byproducts of colonialism and imperialism are a bigger problem for a bigger number of people than religion.
  The root for Palestine Israel conflict isn't religious. Religions have cohabitatedthe region for centuries in relative peace.
- The fact that you think there's a difference is sad.
  
  If you just state it's religious, you open up space for "Muslim bad", or "Christian bad" arguments. Which lead to nonsense and prosecution to specific peoples
  If you use imperialism concepts, everything fits well together, and it leads to structural criticism of capitalism, and prosecution (to use the same word) against oppressive ideas and power structures, not against specific peoples.
  But I can agree that imperialistic forces oppress religions that are not the same as theirs, if that's what you meant.

France and England seeing their current new citizens and wondering if it was worth it to fight.

"promising to give two different groups"? You mean the natives and the colonisers? Tf is this "meme"?

It was still a better plan than the ottoman empire had before Britain took it from them.
- Yeah, genocide turned out to be much better alternative right?
  Either way, the Ottoman empire was on its way out, and the Arabs sought to establish a United state. So whatever the ottomans were doing is irrelevant.
- What was that?

Can we just glass Isreal and Palestine both?