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Brake cleaner, crazy they put that stuff in spray cans...
- ?
  
  Brake cleaner will eat away paint
  Walk by the car and spray it. It's clear and will take 5-10 minutes before showing damage. Eventually, the message you draw will show up.
  A car with messed up paint would have a harder time getting approved to get fixed. If you mess up the engine, then it's just getting fixed instantly with taxpayer money.

You realize that's why they use mostly unmarked vehicles?
- Or rentals depending on the area.

Sugar in the gas tank will not ruin the engine, the most it will do is maybe clog the fuel filter.
Bleach on the other hand is an Oxidizer, it will cause certain metals to rust extremely fast....
- This still assumes access to the fuel tank
  We can work backwards and double down on this problem by making sure it remains inaccessible for as long as possible.
  Ideally, you would want to weld the fuel hole shut, but that may be impractical. Depositing a cartoonish amount of very strong glue into the fuel cap cover can be a more realistic compromise.
  Attempts to regain access may leave the fuel tank vulnerable where it can then be double tapped with bleach.
  or just use a flathead screwdriver idk im high
  
  What about that absorbent gel made to clean up tanker truck spills I think I've seen some sold to make toilet replacement easier
- So they have a long break and taxpayer money is used to fix their car. I don't really understand that logic.
  
  The longer they are indisposed the longer they aren't destroying families. It's not difficult to understand.
- So they gotta replace the fuel filter. Still gotta do maintenance

Sugar in a gas tank is not nearly as damaging as just pouring water in it.
- Or diesel, in a petrol car. It's a heck of a lot less suspicious to be pouring diesel from a fuel can than it is to be pouring a big ol bag of sugar.
- My OSS manual recommends sugar, but more than sugar they recommend fine sand
- Doesn't it just clog up the fuel filter because it won't dissolve in gasoline?
  
  Bingo, and it takes a lot to clog the filter. Plain water is more of a nuisance.
- Bleach.

Am I crazy or does everyone in the comments not realize they're talking about ICE the federal agency?
- Well I understand. I've seen people say the same kind of shit talking about people's internal combustion engine cars. There are fanatics in Fuckcars and environmental communities.
  There is nothing really in the screenshot saying it's about the agency.
- To me, ICE is a high-speed train. I mean, I could look it up, check what it means in US. But at this point, I am not interested enough.
- You're as sane as I was in 2019. Looks like 196 has more gearheads than Americans.
- I though we were talking about German express trains.
- ICE is jerks.
- I just saw this on Tumblr before seeing it here and I was also really confused for a moment.

Putting sugar in the gas tank does not work (unless in a movie). You can clog exhaust pipe or penetrate tire.
- Bleach is corrosive and will bypass the fuel filter I've heard.

Law nerds: can ironical intent be proven in court?
- Serious answer: The US gov is past using courts or caring what the laws says
- Think the fbi has officially recognized the term "in minecraft" as possible real intent
  
  "In Roblox" it is, then.
- 1000% stealing "ironic intent" lmfao
- Idk but it reminds of that one WKYK sketch.
  
  Which one?

I'm surprised I haven't seen more calls to puncture the radiator. That would lead to the engine shutting off and being immobilized pretty quickly.
- Yes and it's fast, and quiet in comparison to many other sabotage.
- Would puncturing the bottom radiator hose not really leak until the pump starts up? Like it would be a slight drip that could be overlooked/unnoticed and a full stream once on and running. Hopefully after driving away a few miles.
  
  Yeah that's why I think radiator damage is the way to go. They will most likely get stuck on the freeway which is a royal fucking pain.
  
  It's easier to damage radiator (which is preety soft) with a screwdriver.

A Schrader valve has a lot of metal in it. Cutting them isn't easy. A valve stem remover is cheap, about $6. Unscrew the valve stems and the tire's air pressure will push them out. Throw the valve stems far from the car. Alternatively you could use a bodkin to puncture the sidewalls of the tire. A bodkin is a little tool used to make fishing flies. Think of a tiny ice-pick. A very small hole leaks slowly and doesn't make much noise, making it easy to get away unnoticed. If you slash a tire with a big knife, the air comes out fast and makes a loud pop. If you don't want to be noticed, don't slash the tires with a knife unless the air is already gone.
- Alternatively you could use a bodkin to puncture the sidewalls of the tire. A bodkin is a little tool used to make fishing flies.
  For a moment I thought you wanted to suggest to go medieval on their ~~asses~~ tires.

Water balloons + black oil paint + used motor oil + a handful of course sand = absolute hell on car paint, polycarbonate panes (think security helmet visors or those see through riot shields), and anything with feet that likes to walk around.
- They make sand that isn't coarse, rough, and everywhere-getting?
  
  They make sand that isn't course and rough.
  Arguably the finer stuff is even better at getting into everything.

Put a BB in the valve stem cap. It's non-destructive, but will still result in a flat tire. If you super glue the BB, they might end up with several flats before they realize.
- I had a tool in highschool that took the valve out of the stem I borrowed from my dads mechanic shop that I put to good use. If there's a hell I'm probably headed there
  
  Valve stem remover. They are available form auto parts stores and the evil online store for about $6
  
  The great thing about the BB is that it just lets the air out. All of the other methods are straight up destruction of property, and that's not a fun charge to catch when that property belongs to law enforcement.
- In the CAP, you say?
- A small stone will also work.

I find it interesting that these posts are dated 2019. I don't remember this being an issue pre-covid.
- Well I mean the department of homeland security was established like one minute after 9/11 happened and thats who is in charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, so they've been fucking around in the rights of US citizens and noncitizens since then
- I remember family separations was a big deal during his first term. And then there was that US citizen teen who was imprisoned by ICE in Texas....

What would exactly happen if one woule pour sugar in the gas tank? Like on a chemical and mechanical level?
First time hearing about this
- It's a myth perpetuated by people who don't know better. By all means, putting sugar in a gas tank is not advised because, well, sugar doesn't belong in there. But it will not ruin the engine. If it even reaches the engine, you have a pretty bad fuel filter.
  
  Does salad oil work?
- Nothing. Sugar is not soluble in hydrocarbons and the particles would be caught by the fuel filter. You'd have to replace the filter and clean the fuel tank, but the engine would be fine. Might as well use dirt instead of sugar to achieve the same effect.
- Well then you would uh... ice ICE's ICE.
  bad dum tish!
  Not really though, basically, it clogs up the fuel pump/filter.
  Not likely to... immediately or quickly immobilize the vehicle... but it would increase maintenance costs, and decrease fuel efficiency and reliability.
  ...
  If you wanna go for something uh... faster acting, more immediate and more serious:
  A whole lot of water.
  That'll make the engine choke and sputter and stall if you use enough.
  So... use ice to ice ICE's ICE?
  Uh... in minecraft?
  ...
  Sand will also clog up the filter, and cause more damage inside the actual engine if any gets through the filter.
  ... A whole bunch of polystyrene packing peanuts would ... also be 'fun', rofl.
  The way they chemically interact with gasoline... basically gellifies the gasonline, turning it into shitty, syrupy napalm.
  I am guessing a very gooopy gasoline is... not going to help a car run well, please actually do not test this rofl.
  I am not a chemist, but uh chat gpt says polystyrene + gasoline is an exothermic reaction... so that... generates heat... and gasses... and that could be bad... in a tightly sealed container...
  😅
  
  Make sure there's no small pockets of flourine gas sealed inside of packing peanuts before using them.
  That would be very bad for everyone within 100' of the vehicle.
- We call table salt “salt” even though that’s a generic name for any metal bonded with a non metallic mineral (for instance potassium chloride). Sugar is the same, table sugar is just one kind of sugar. “Sugar” is the generic name for a type of carbohydrate. Ethanols found in gasoline can degrade into a sugar over time (like in a mower left out over the winter) and this will leave a fine white powder in the engine that will cause scaring when the engine is started. Thus sugar can ruin your engine, but is more likely to increase wear. This has perpetuated an urban legend that you can force this by putting table sugar in a gas tank.
  
  I realize (and you mentioned) that sugar is not a well defined term, but calling degradation products of ethanol in gas "sugars" is still a bit of a stretch. Ethanol by itself usually forms some combination of acetaldehyde, acetic acid, 2-carbon peroxides, and CO2 (i.e. not sugars) upon autoxidation, though those species can react with other components of gasoline to form the precipitated "gum". The structure of gum in the literature is pretty hand-wavy (high MW materials kinda just be like that sometimes) but tends to be much more more oxygen-deficient than conventional "sugars" (polysaccharides) even for ethanol blends and contains a wider variety of substructures. Though, I have seen some papers talking about certain microbes that can ferment the ethanol in gasoline, possibly via sugars, but I don't think that's the common degradarion pathway for a mower.
  
  See the longer response from another user, they're correct. Just wanted to say table sugar is sucrose (a combination of fructose and glucose if I remember correctly). But you will not create sugars in the process you're talking about.
- Oh, it just gums everything up. The fuel doesn't combust as well, and the pistons get sticky, among other things.
  
  This is, at best, a myth. Sugar doesn’t dissolve in gasoline. There may be trace amounts of water in the tank too, but not enough to dissolve a meaningful amount of sugar. All it will realistically do is clog their fuel filter, the same way sand would.

Is this why modern caltrops ended up on my YouTube FYP?

Doesn’t have to be a big hole in the sidewall, you can’t put a plug in it no matter the size so a needle can render a tire FUBAR

Okay, won't do that 🫡

What is there to gain from doing this? repairs and possible tows would be even worse if its from an environmental standpoint. Also driving old cars to death is better for the environment than transitioning to new vehicles just because. Reduce and reuse is true for cars too.
- ICE is short for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement here, not internal combustion engine.
  
  Oh. Well then.
- It's about keeping ICE from doing their jobs/harassing immigrants.
  
  That's a Hell of an understatement! What you meant to say was:
  It's about keeping ICE from illegally renditioning immigrants to foreign gulags.
  I know you probably didn't intend to carry water for the fascists, but I think it's important to clearly state what's actually happening so nobody has an excuse not to be aware of how tyrannical the situation is.

Why only ICE vehicles? EVs might be marginally better, but cars are still cars, and they kill hundreds of people every year, cost billions of dollars in direct infrastructure costs (in the huge subsidies that roads get), and untold amounts more in indirect infrastructure costs (because of how inefficient low-density car-centric sprawl is wrt things like sewerage and other municipal infrastructure). Over about 20 km/h the noise pollution is roughly equally bad, and the plastic pollution from tyres is just as bad if not worse on EVs.
What's needed isn't to push people from ICE vehicles onto EVs, it's to encourage people to use (and more importantly, governments to support) active transport like walking and cycling first and foremost, with public transport for longer journeys.
I'm also not a big fan of that sort of indiscriminate vandalism anyway. I'm not gonna bat an eye if you're doing it to all yank tanks, but people's sedans and hatchbacks? That's a bit much, IMO.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement
- ICE as in “Immigration and Customs Enforcement” not internal combustion engine.
  
  Oh, I see. That seems...very non-obvious, given it only refers to "ICE vehicles", and a certain subset of ICE vehicles are a popular target for vandalism because of their association with the kind of person likely to be a fan of the ICE government department (and because of their even greater overall societal harm than regular vehicles).