I just have to keep telling myself, most extreme online liberals were born after 9/11 or were very young. Hell, I was only 13.
Not a defense though. Just something to keep my blood pressure low. The only problem, is every twenty years there's a new crop of people refusing to listen to anyone who was there or learn from history in any way. They just love catchy phrases that make them feel smart
It's wild to me having been a teen during 9/11, so many memories coming back of a truly dark time. And you got liberals older than me repeating literally the same talking points.
I was 13 And interested in the military. I had so many brainworms to undo. It only took me smoking some weed and listening to hippie music to break me out of the dominator culture narrative
If only, it seems like they don't apply deduction to anything causing cognitive dissonance. Same shit with cia/fbi - "yeah they did fucked up shit up to %date_of_declassification%, but that's not a reason to mistrust them" but simultaneously they believe in "institutional memory". It is a choose-one situation and yet 🤷
The weird thing is I was also in my young teens, but seeing the libs dunking on Bush like they did Trump - with the same ineffectualness - plus things like protest music and Michael Moore, actually helped prime me for being a communist later in life.
I remember questioning everything, never trusting the news, and now to see people fall for this shit again and again since 2014ish is fucking maddening.
When the war was in full swing, I used to go to all the rallies. After I realized nobody was there to actually do anything effective, I knew these weren't my people. 15 year old me was smoking pot and reading Abbie Hoffman. I fancied myself as an old school 60's leftist, still kinda do. I would come into the protests all full of piss and vinegar, and I would get told by the old folks there I was doing it wrong. Fuck them. Fuck them so hard!
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
What the fuck does this have to do with liberals? None of the liberals I know support the palestinian genocide by israel.. it’s just a matter of knowing history, not whether you’re liberal or conservative.
I’ve seen fox news pushing the same line of bullshit as every other main american “news” channel, siding with the perpetrators of 70 years of genocide and war crimes.
Hamas’ attack was bad, but nothing compared to what the israelis have done for decades, and this is the prevailing sentiment in liberal spaces like reddit—by a wide margin. Liberal or conservative has nothing to do with it, if anything it would be the muslim-hating/fearing conservatives more likely to side with israel…
Liberals are the ones supplying israel, making BDS illegal, now making protests illegal. If you ask them "do you support genocide?" of course they'll say no. They'll just continue shaking hands with them, buying and selling weapons systems from them, buying their spytech and strawberries, making joint science projects and smearing everybody skeptical of israel as anti-semite.
Liberals are sinking refugee ships in the mediterranean , when people dare to escape hellhole liberals made 20/15/10 years ago in countries mentioned in the picture above. Who funds frontex do you think? Its not landed fucking gentry or council of kings. What do you think aircraft carrier group is doing near israel, having a nappie time?
And fox news are liberals. And have you seen reddit?
EDIT: I didn’t realize I’d stumbled into a specific socialist space, I was reading all of this as “liberal” in
the typical usage in American politics—because that’s the way I’ve encountered its usage 99.99% of the time in my life. Why don’t you all say capitalist instead of liberal?
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Umm, it doesn’t matter who is in office, America would be supporting Israel because they’re our ally and a vital toehold for our interests in the region. If you think a republican president/cabinet wouldn’t be saying and doing all the same shit then you’re really washed.
“Fox news are liberals”
Oh, so no wonder you’re blaming it all on liberals, in your mind literally 99% of the population are liberals?
You’ve clearly spent far too long just telling yourself all the bad things are cuz of liberals rofl. Next you’ll be saying it was liberals behind the citizens united ruling and liberals cutting taxes for corporations, and defunding the EPA, and trying to ban contraception, and make voting harder for citizens, and gerrymandering to disenfranchise black voters.
Next you’ll say Liberal presidents have historically been worse for the economy! (Go ahead, look it up)
Just to be extremely clear here, we're not contrasting "liberal" and "conservative" as those two terms are defined in the american two-party electoral system. We're contrasting "liberal", that is, someone who supports capitalism, with "leftist", that is, someone who thinks capitalism is bad and should go away already. We're communists here, not republicans.
Everyone in the American political milieu is a liberal by definition. Conservatives are liberals, progressives are liberals, democrats and republicans are liberals.
None of the liberals I know support the palestinian genocide by israel
Yes they do
They may not say it aloud, they likely won't encourage Israel to kill em all. But they'll handwring and hem and haw about how just darn uncivil those Palestinians are and how regrettable the violence is but Israel has to defend themselves etc etc
The outcome is the same. They'll tut and fingerwag at Israel but won't raise a finger against the genocide.
Really? All the liberals I know (in the sense that you're talking about) have shown their true colours as performative. I have only heard people say 'ah well of course Israel bad but Hamas are a terror group and I just think both sides need to make peace or more innocent people will die'. Total slophead takes that 'acknowledge' Palestine and then ignore it's struggle.