What's an important (in your opinion) skill too many people seem to lack?
What's an important (in your opinion) skill too many people seem to lack?
What's an important (in your opinion) skill too many people seem to lack?
Basic problem solving. Even just the ability to Google something seems to be lost on so many people.
A sense of community, at least in the states. We have become a nation of de facto sovereign citizens, everyone competing with everyone. A society can't last long without social responsibility.
Critical Thinking Skills
Basic troubleshooting and repair knowledge. Like just how to use a multimeter and the basics of how electricity works and how to repair something.
Honestly just basic knowledge of everything in our daily lives would be useful. People should understand how their phone works and how it gets internet access, how their car works, and stuff like that.
Reading the screen.
Seriously, about 90% of computer problems would be solved if people just read the fucking screen.
I think that we should require more humanities courses for STEM degrees. I had to take some english courses but that was about it. Seems like a lot of STEM-lords (particularly the computer ones) need to take a cultural anthropology course and chill out a little. Or philosophy but that risks making them worse.
If ethics courses actually worked business majors would be much more priority no?
Manners.
It's true. Habitually saying "please." thank you," "hello" to people can open a lot of doors. Also, it's just amazing in an awful way just how many people are not doing this.
Map reading/Orienteering - Most people are literally lost without GPS
Listening.
literacy, and essay writing. they almost neve rpush it MS or HS anymore.
Basic it skills
Listening and empathy. Putting themselves in others' shoes instead of just seeing/speaking/thinking about I, me and myself.
Media literacy and reading comprehension. Specifically, the ability to infer an intended target audience for a particular piece of work. A large part of media literacy is being able to view a piece of media, and infer the intended audience. Maybe you see an ad for pink razors, and can infer that it is aimed at women who shave. But that’s just a simple example. It should also extend to things like internet comments.
People have become so accustomed to laser-focused algorithms determining our media consumption. Before, people would see a video or comment they didn’t resonate with, infer that it wasn’t aimed at them, and move the fuck on. But now, people are so used to their algorithm being dialed in. It is to the point that encountering things you don’t vibe with is outright jarring. People don’t just move on anymore. They get aggressive.
Maybe I make a reel about the proper way to throw a baseball. I’ll inevitably get at least one or two “but what about me? I’m in a wheelchair, on crutches, have a bad shoulder, have bad eyesight and can’t aim, etc… Before, those people would have gone “this clearly isn’t aimed at me” and moved the fuck on. But now they make a point of going “but you didn’t make this specifically for me.
It has gotten so bad that content creators have started adding disclaimers to their videos, news articles, opinion pieces, etc... It’s fairly common to see quick “and before I get started, this video is just for [target demographic]” as if it’s a cutesy little thing. But the reality is that if they don’t add that disclaimer, they’ll be inundated with “but what about [outlier that the content clearly wasn’t directed at]” types of responses.
Critical thinking. Religion and our education system beat curiosity out of people and they end up being unable to process information on their own.
Also driving. People can't stay in their own lanes, stop three car lengths from an intersection because they don't understand that the 'see the tires in front of you' made sense in low sedans with sloped hoods and not their massive SUVs with flat hood, and don't bother signaling when changing lanes slowly.
One thing many forget about critical thinking is to also be critical of your own thoughts as well. Too many people think it’s only about attacking other people’s opinion.
Critical thinking. Religion and our education system beat curiosity out of people
And now AI is here to run cleanup on any critical thinking those two haven't already destroyed.
and don't bother signaling when changing lanes slowly
I always love playing the road trip game of "Are they changing lanes slowly without signaling, or are they fucking with their phone and just drifting?" 😠
Oof yes and don't get me started on roundabouts.
Is nuance a skill?
Like, the world isn't black and white, left and right, right and wrong, etc, but too many people want to simplify complex issues down into binary choices and leave out any trace of nuance.
We live in a hyperbolic age. People’s attention has been commodified so almost all messaging is exaggerated to pull attention to one pole or another. Nuance and patient, thoughtful debate can’t live in that atmosphere.
Not to mention we're in a period of morality panic. We've been brainwashed to think there are only good and bad, either with us on all thoughts or against. We've been sucked into a hard lined good vs. evil plot, except everyone is wrong.
Are you really claiming that ALL messages are exaggerated and that thoughtful debate can NEVER exist???
Maybe related: The ability to understand complete statements and considering the context, instead of latching onto one phrase and ignoring the rest.
Not sure if it's an actual skill, but it certainly is a trait that fits this question. It's gotten so bad that I tend to tag people with "Nuanced" if they've proven to understand this, so that I know they're actually reasonable if I see them in a discussion over a controversial topic.
We're living in a particularly toxic time, and splitting is a reversion
I agree, and I'd say the backing skill is emotional maturity or emotional management
Somewhat related is the belief that things are simple rather than complex. I’d argue that thinking something is simple - or believing you have a solid understanding of it - should be a red flag that you probably don’t know as much as you think. I mean, when have you ever heard a true expert give a short and simple answer to anything?
Critical thinking.
They should teach basic philosophy in schools; common formal fallacies and such.
They teach it at Turkish schools.
But then the eletorate would actually be making good decisions, how would the rich afford their 10th yacht?
How to build a usable nuclear fusion power plant. Zero is way too many for such a difficult task.
Number 1 by far is knowing how to separate your opinions from your identity.
I've been thinking about this for years and I can't shake the thought that identity politics is the root of most major problems in western society (esp. US). It means people interpret criticism of their opinions as personal attacks instead. This overblown defensive reaction leads to turning around and conflating the opinions of others with their worth as human beings.
Yes, there some truth to that. If you hold hateful & bigoted opinions, I would say that makes you a shit person. But you're not necessarily condemned to that forever, because opinions can potentially change. This is tied in with Karl Popper's "Paradox of Tolerance", i.e. ideas should be tolerated unless they themselves are so intolerant as to undermine the wider marketplace of ideas.
When we equate (potentially temporary) opinions of others with immutable value, that's what leads to dehumanizing them and taking away their fundamental rights. And as has always been the case throughout history, the burden falls primarily on vulnerable groups (immigrants, ethnic or social minorities, children and the elderly, etc).
People need to understand that YOU ARE NOT YOUR OPINION. Others can and should criticize your opinions, but that doesn't mean they are attacking you personally. Defend the opinions, but don't turn around and go ad-hominem in response. And for fuck's sake, unless an opinion is so abhorrent or intolerant that it threatens someone else's existence (e.g. Nazis), you don't get to take away the holder's rights to citizenship, food, shelter, healthcare, etc.
EDIT: And yes I do consider this a skill that people have to learn. I think most should be capable by maybe... age 7.
I might as well go first: Basic troubleshooting and reasoning.
I mean, we're not talking debugging assembly language here. But at least you should be able to reply correctly to the question "is it dead or faulty?" when it comes to a computer. And when a your car has a weird noise, at least try to locate it for an obvious cause such as something rolling around under your seat.
EDIT: And one important aspect of troubleshooting many people don't get is how to narrow down the problem. Let's say your wifi isn't working - have you checked on any other device whether it's working there? Someone else mentioned binary search which has a lot of overlap with this.
“I don’t know what the error said, I clicked ok and it went away. Now fix it”.
Bingo.
I used to work with internet on trains, and the system was relatively simple by today's standards. Not so much back then, but:
On other words, many potential points of failure. And sometimes we'd get tickets such as this sent our way: "Internet doesn't work"
I mean, that's really a software design issue. Like, the system should be set up to have a system log of those.
Most visual novel video game systems provide a history to review messages, if one accidentally skipped through something important.
Many traditional roguelikes have a message log to review for the same reason.
Many systems have a "show a modal alert dialog" API call, but don't send it to a log, which frankly is a little bit bonkers; instead, they have separate alert and logging systems. I guess maybe you could make a privacy argument for that, not spreading state all over even the local system, but I'd think that it wouldn't be that hard to make it more-obvious to the user how to clear the log.
This is usually coupled with the expectation that I'm going to use some special knowledge to do it rather than just pasting the contents of the error message into a web search and following the simple instructions contained in the first link.
This grinds my gears super hard. I've had a few new hires come through and they can't do anything unless someone tells them to do something or if its written out step by step. Absolutely no critical thinking, curiosity or even basic understanding of why we're doing what we're doing, the job might as well be severance lol. I have no idea whats going on, they interviewed well, had relevant experience and can do the basics but as soon as we have to troubleshoot or use our brains they just go dear in the headlights. Its something thats difficult to train.
It missed 'Have you checked the software's help files or manual?' but yeah. I guess a Google search mostly covers that, although I'd check the manual before resorting to Google. I remember when telling people to RTFM was a thing.
I had that stuck to my desk at work for years. And I haven't even opened the link yet to see if it's the one I think it is.
Basic troubleshooting and reasoning.
That drives me nuts sometimes. Like even professionals sometimes seem unable to do basic troubleshooting. I work in live music, I am not a tech/engineer but have done a lot of tech work on and around stages.
Simple stuff like - one speaker is not giving a signal, two techs are unable to identify the fault for over 20 min. I observe for a bit, they check the console, they check the speaker, they check the power supply.
And I, half joking, ask - have you switched sides already? Both look at me like they don't understand my question, I walk over to the signal line for the PA, unplug them both, plug the left side into the right signal and vice versa on the other side - the problem moves from one speaker to the other, so it has to be a faulty cable. I was so baffled by that.
WHY IS THAT NOT THE FIRST THING YOU DO????? It takes seconds!
Or a wireless in-ear system has weird noises in the signal, I suggest to switch the frequency, the old tech grunts at me that he has already done that, I check and he moved the frequency like 10mhz. I suggest to move to a totally different frequency range and he gets rude so I go somewhere else. Half an hour later it turns out I was right. Why do you fuck around with firmware and shit before you do something simpler and quicker?
I used to work as a refrigeration technician and when I first started I was working with an old Russian dude who had no filter. We'd walk into a store and he'd ask the owner "ok so what's the problem?" and if they ever said "the machine isn't working." he'd immediately reply with "no shit man, I wouldn't be here if it was working..." Lol
Financial literacy
Being aware of what’s around you. Whether driving and not looking before pulling out, blocking the middle of the supermarket aisle, stopping in the doorway, standing in the middle of the footpath playing with your phone; so many people are completely oblivious. The world doesn’t revolve around you, have some ordinary consideration and manners.
I was going to say things. Situational awareness is very much lacking, especially in certain parts of the world.
Most of them are perfectly aware. They just don't care.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
I know it's tempting to dismiss these people as all being assholes. But in my experience, once they realize they're in your way, they'll usually apologize and move. Drives me crazy, but some people really are that oblivious.
Making constructive, non-adhominem critique, and accepting such critique. Maybe calm debate/discussion in general.
Look at yourself: your momma is bigger than a triceratops and you're going to teach me something about ad-homo...-nomo...thing? Phah!
I can teach you about homo things, too ; )
Basic sewing
Also empathy
Swimming, it'll save your life
Yeah. I'm amazed at how many people do not know how to swim.
I remember seeing this video of two indian(?) guys drowning in a pond literally 2 meters from the shore. I mean.. If I knew I couldn't swim I wouldn't go anywhere near water. It could just as well be lava.
Yeah I know multiple adults who can’t swim, and I occasionally ask them if they’ve learned yet.
People have said “critical thinking”. I agree, but we can be more specific than that:
This covers so many other things.
My usual specific go-to is how to search the internet for things. But not knowing how to search for hyper-specific things is the symptom of a lack of critical thinking skills.
Basic cooking skills
Reading comprehension
Listening to someone speak without interrupting
Remembering to let other people speak when having a conversation
Yes omg it's so stressful to try to finish a thought before I get interrupted again.
Communication. So many issues could be resolved by just talking to the person clearly and calmly instead of assuming they can read your mind and getting upset when they don’t respond the way you played out in your mind.
De-escalation. Even if you’re right, there’s a time and place where you need to let it go and revisit it at a more appropriate moment.
I get so mad with so many "romantic problems" in movies (I know it's just a movie so the need to do it) it's like just say the damn thing and there won't be an issue! Lol
If people were rational, 90% of movie plots wouldn't exist
I should have just read one comment down! I literally just replied to them with a complaint about this exact thing lol
I agree. The world could be much more peaceful if people used their words and ears more intently.
Cooking. I don't mean heating up prepared food. I mean taking raw produce, spices, herbs, and starches to make your own food. Doesn't need to be extravagant. Start with an omelette or maybe properly made scrambled eggs. Move on to other "easy" dishes like grilled cheese sandwiches and spaghetti. I am constantly amazed when I hear fully grown adults saying shit like, "I could never make anything like Beef Wellington." Yes you can, just try and fail a few times!
I feel that if people knew how much effort it takes to create their food products, they might be more hesitant to waste them. Even with things as simple as making bread! It's not just something that appears on a shelf, it's the result of whole process and should be valued as such.
I agree, but bread and noodles were damn near the first stable foodstuffs we discovered. I suppose beer would be the next stable food we discovered worldwide. I only have an issue because you're talking about a food that literally every single civilization discovered independently, so bread as we know it, isn't bread as an all encompassing concept.
It's great to learn because after a while you can start experimenting and making things you don't have a recipe for. I kinda have a "memory" for tastes so I can just think about how things might go together so I just kinda make up dishes now. I mean I'm sure I'm not making something unique, but it's all without a recipe. Or if you are lazy and are craving something you can just make it instead of having to go out lol I've made many "cakes" because I was craving something sweet but didn't have anything around just by knowing how it's done having done it before.
I always keep some easy prep boxed meals or whatever on hand for when I'm feeling really lazy.
Use those as a base and spruce them up with spices, veggies, meats, or even just swapping out one thing on the instructions for another to give some added richness or texture.
Half from scratch can be just as good as from scratch, especially when you're tired and hungry AF and you'll still have the satisfaction of making the dish "your own".
The issue is I don't want to
How to handle criticism. To take the best from it, learn from it, try to become more of what is important to yourself and leave the rest.
It's either not taking it at all, thinking everyone is wrong... or it's giving it to much attention. Like thinking the opinion of people that you don't respect at all, that you don't even like counts too. You'll never be right for everyone. But being criticised by people that care to make your life better is actually precious.
The ability to process information. It seems like the reason need AI to summarize different things is because they never learned how to do it themselves.
I think our skill to process information has natural limits, which were overwhelmed decades ago by the social media firehose and a breakdown of information-filtering infrastructure.
an average edition of a newspaper the size of The Times already contains more information about the world than a person in the 17th Century was likely to come across in a lifetime. (Wurman, Information Anxiety)
That was back in 1989. We're now 30 years later with an internet supercharged by predatory algorithms.
And we can't filter all of it without either completely withdrawing from the world entirely or spending months learning why and how to filter it ourselves.
We have had information overload in some form or another since the 1500s. What is changing now is the filters we use for the most of the 1500 period are breaking, and designing new filters doesn’t mean simply updating the old filters. They have broken for structural reasons, not for service reasons. (Shirky, It's Not Information Overload. It’s Filter Failure)
Perhaps, but I'm talking about are problems within human limits. For example, take information from 5 different sources to synthesize an answer to a question.
I use AI because I'm done being asked to turn off my ad blocker, and accept cookies, and download the mobile app for a "better" experience, and scroll through pages and pages of absolutely worthless fluff completely unrelated to what I'm searching for. Or, alternatively, get blocked for simply having a VPN on to find out how to do the most absolutely mundane things you could possibly imagine.
The internet has been dead since 2016.
I get it, but I'm talking about taking specific information from a facility that you can't find online. There are records, but there isn't an AI that can read all the drawings and churn out details.
Sewing. Learn to sew! It's very helpful!
My mom said "never learn to sew. You will look at clothes and say 'no way I am buying that, I can make it' and then you won't make it, and you will have nothing to wear".
I did sew costumes for my kids for Halloween, stuff that doesn't have to last, but get what she was saying.
I do, however, cook much better than she did and am not sorry, still like going out to eat. And can make cocktails better than most I'd get at a bar but still find joy in going out for a drink. I think she was right about clothes though, they aren't an experience like going out to dinner.
Reading comprehension. Not a day goes by where i don't see someone respond to a comment that they clearly did not understand completely.
I think a lot of it is just laziness. I find that my habit of writing nuanced comments in sections to highlight various valid arguments/views tends to attract angry responses to only the first half, as if they only skimmed the first part and ascribing me a standpoint based on that.
Using a fucking PC properly.
I am engineer enough to use my fucking PC in whatever fucking way I want without some fucking smart-pants telling me what to do. Have a fucking nice day!
That's the fucking spirit! Have a fucking nice day too!
Binary search, there are so many instances where problems in life can be solved by eliminating half of a given set repeatedly.
Blender broken? There are only so many things that can go wrong, analyze the situation and try to find something that cuts your problem in half.
This approach involves further splitting the problem into 2 as evenly as possible each time. It doesn’t make sense to whip out the multimeter if the on light isn't shining, you don't need to check on your house's breakers if the light is on, etc.
This system works for troubleshooting almost anything, all you have to do is find chokepoints and identify sections of your target. Toilet not flushing, faucet not on, car not starting, neck pain, allergies, it's almost harder to think of something it doesn't apply to.
Yeah, I kind of think that that should go into core curriculum in school, because it's such a mechanical process, yet people just need to figure it out on their own.
For something very relevant to health: cooking, knowing how to measure food, and how to read a nutrition label. Obesity would be much less common if people were able to cook their own food more often, and knew how to actually measure out accurate portion sizes.
I totally get that time, upfront costs like cookware, and access to decent ingredients are MAJOR factors in whether or not someone can learn how to cook, but anyone can and should know how to read a nutrition label and know how to measure accurate portion sizes for the things they eat. If you are trying to lose weight or work on healthy habits, a food scale is infinitely more valuable than a body weight scale. Most people do not know what 28g of chips looks like.
Reading instructions would be another one that gets skipped due to stress or whatever the excuse is.
Or taking the time to properly read and reply to an email. I've learnt the hard way to never have more than one question per email, it's only the first or the last question that gets answered.
At least in a business context, the vast majority of emails that I see sent out are mostly useless fluff. Many of them don't need to be sent, and the ones that do are rarely concise or structured to summarize what they are saying up top, then later go into detail for people who might need more detail.
Time is a finite resource consumed by this, and there's no penalty for using someone else's. Businesses don't, say, try to assess the business cost imposed by an employee's sent emails when reviewing that employee's performance.
I think that users attempt to compensate by committing less time to reading them. Doing ever-more-perfunctory skims in an attempt to limit how much of their time gets consumed by email that isn't worthwhile.
And that tends to encourage not fully reading emails.
I think you've hit the bull's eye with that assessment. I try to keep my fluff, such as "Have a nice weekend!", to the end of mine.
Listening (to one another).
Proof reading what they post.
Looking at you OP :P
Correcting autocorrect can get exhausting sometimes. It seems to get worse over time instead of improving.
Yeh, I'll concede that I'm shitty at typing on my phone. Fixed.
Aren't we all mate.
How to turn greenhouse gasses into pure drinking water. I wish I knew how to do that.
Reading a map.
GPS is great & all, but I know people that if you put a paper map in front of them they're still lost because they can't correlate the map with reality.
I can read a map (and hate letting the car navigate) but map has to be aligned with the world. Before the cell phone, I used to spread the map out on the ground, with north pointing north.
Thank you! You know what you need to do to make things work, and you're not one of the people who think "North" = "The direction I'm facing"
Critical thinking: We would be in a better world if more people were capable of it.
Integrity.
media literacy
Having a basic idea of how a car/engine works. Most people waste so much money on basic repairs they could just do themselves. Feels like majority of folks couldn't even put on their spare tire. Plus, mechanic is job that less and less people are willing to do over time so the cost of their labour will only keep getting worse
Some of this just isn’t worth the time or effort. Time is money, and sometimes it’s cheaper and easier to pay for warrantied work rather than do it yourself.
I can pay someone to change the oil and the oil filter and it takes them 15 minutes. I don’t enjoy doing it and it’s worth the money for me to pay someone else to do it. I don’t have to crawl under the car, or gather all the parts, or get filthy, or worry about disposing of the used oil properly.
Oil change is one of the things not worth doing yourself, agree
I'm like a few year older the driving age and I don't even have a driver's license 💀
I feel like I'm being called out 🥲
Depends where you live, maybe your life is just fine without it
I mean, this isn’t helped by the odd proprietary bolt patterns and specialty OBD communications required by some brands.
My wifes car has a bad pcv system, turns out it’s built into the valve cover and intake manifold so instead of unbolting a part and putting the new one on I have to take apart a heafty amount of the engine to fix what should be a basic repair.
I drive a golf and can’t even change my battery without updating my ecu to readapt to the new battery. If I don’t it starts frying sensors and the alternator because of voltage irregularities. Have to have the $80 dongle with the yearly subscription to access the necessary code input.
Car companies over the past decade have built cars that are harder and harder to maintain yourself. I don’t blame people for not knowing how to do some of the basic stuff when that basic stuff has become more complex, expensive, and unreasonably difficult for the layman to parse.
My dad has ran an auto repair shop for 40 years and it stopped being any sort of fun like 15 years ago.
That's not even the biggest problem though. It's customers and their entitlement. Worse every year.
Parts took longer to ship than promised? Mechanics fault
Car needs to go to the dealer? Mechanics fault
Something plastic piece broke on your car during disassembly because it was designed to break? Mechanics fault
Job supposed to be 10 hours labour but took you 15 because it's not easy? Guess you just lost money helping someone cuz you have to eat the cost of those 5 hours
This only applies if having a car is a requirement in your city/country tho. Nothing could be more useless for me than car knowledge.
Basic math. I don't talk about solving differential equation. But if you don't want to get scammed you need to understand what's a 10% discount, how do interest work, price per kg, or price per m^2
Driving. Most people know how to operate a vehicle, but a lot don’t know how to actually drive properly.
And yet the state gives them a license to drive. And doesn’t bother enforcing traffic laws. To me that’s the real problem.
Working with your hands and tools. It's amazing how far it can take you and how much money you can make and/or save by DIY'ing things around your home with some basic skills. Like there are people that will pay $100 for something easy like mounting a TV when it's a few minutes of finding studs and screwing down the bracket.
Then as things progress and you get more comfortable, you can start helping friends and doing side work. I've been doing industrial electrical for 10 years now, I'm gonna be re-wiring a whole house from the ground up in July
I'd say the ability to write. My Prof would lose her mind if she saw Lemmy.
Patience.
I've taken up several hobbies (game dev, gardening, woodworking, etc) where results aren't always well seen until weeks, months or even years after starting a project.
Everyone seems too interested in getting results fast and now, and the world seems all too keen to sell you something to try and make that happen.
searching for things in the internet.
i think LLM/PISS now has a bigger place because people dunno what to look for / what they want specifically.
there's some legit use for LLMs, but to help you 'search' feels like you're giving away some freedom for an unknown set of weighted biases.
Knowing the right tool for the job, specifically when it comes to repairing the things they own. I get that familiarizing yourself with your car's engine bay isn't the sexiest thing to do if it doesn't interest you, but most systems are incredibly intuitive once you know how to use a couple of basic tools. Competency in hand tools is something I think everyone should have TBH
Yup. I am really not a car person, and I only have basic mechanical skills. But even I could troubleshoot and fix my old car. To be fair, it was a really simple car, most components were easy to access (and replace), and 90% of the bolts were 13mm.
Understand and knowledge that they are not an island. That the things they do, even if they believe it only affects them, affects those around them.
Empathy
Changing tires or oil on a car.
A lot of cars don't include a spare tire anymore.
Last couple times I looked, it was more expensive to buy the oil and filter than to go to my local mechanic to get an oil change.
I appreciate that it's good to know how to do these things, but it really seems like there's no reason most people need to actually do them with a current model year vehicle.
Keeping your OCD to yourself.