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Footage shows moments before and after Israeli airstrike hits civilian convoy fleeing Gaza – The Guardian

www.theguardian.com Footage shows moments before and after Israeli airstrike hits civilian convoy fleeing Gaza – video

Analysis of images confirms an attack on a road identified as safe by the Israeli army that has killed dozens of Palestinian civilians fleeing Gaza

Video is censored by blurring, but still disturbing.

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1y ago

Footage shows moments before and after Israeli airstrike hits civilian convoy fleeing Gaza – video

www.theguardian.com /world/video/2023/oct/14/footage-shows-moments-before-and-after-israeli-airstrike-hits-civilian-convoy-fleeing-gaza-video

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"MaYBe tHEre'S a MiliTAnT hiDiNG iN THerE sO iT iS A LeGitiMATe tARGeT" -cum socks apologist.
- https://www.theonion.com/dying-gazans-criticized-for-not-using-last-words-to-con-1850925657

Monsters in power.

I don't get it? Why? What do they gain from this? Killing a few random civilians in an airstrike on an evacuation corridor serves no purpose other than bad PR. If they want to commit genocide, there'll be lot's of people left in Gaza City. Like I genuinely can't come up with something that makes sense for why they would do this, other than they might think that there are maybe militants in that convoy? But that's still overkill and not worth the cost. Maybe they want to scare people into not leaving the city, and then say they gave them the option but they didn't leave?
- You can swap out the entirety of what you wrote with Hamas and last week.
  There is no point to any of this other than it keeps existing power structures entrenched. Hamas benefits from this because what the hell else do you do after Israel behaves like this. Netanyahu benefits because how the hell else do you respond after what Hamas has done?
  The world's opinion was shifting on Palestine to the point it felt like the world was ready to start calling the apartheid state of Israel for what it has become. Then Hamas does the dumbest thing possible as ruins any kind of international condemnation of how Israel had been behaving for decades. But only dumb from the perspective of the Palestinian people. From the perspective of Hamas, any kind of international coalition in support of the Palestinian people would have zapped their power.
  The same with Netanyahu. Both parties get power in the extended conflict, and can be considered to be aligned in incentives in that regard. Likewise, the Palestinian and Israeli people are also aligned in incentives. Neither wants the kinds of atrocities both sides are conducting.
  It's time for the Israeli people to stand up and take accountability for how they'll e t let their government manage the last several decades of this conflict. They are a first world nation, incredibly wealthy, and are in a position of privilege that the Palestinians simply do not have. The solution will not come from leadership. It will come from the people standing up and demanding peace.
  
  One thing other commenters pointed out is that Saudi Arabia was about to normalize relations with Israel in exchange for a US defense pact and a civilian nuclear program. Who is Saudi Arabia's biggest foe? Iran. Who arms Hamas? Iran. Do you think the Saudi's could now go through with this as Gaza is being invaded? No. It is as if Saudi and Iran are having a proxy war.
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/21/whats-happening-with-normalising-ties-between-saudi-arabia-and-israel
  
  I saw a comment saying that both Hamas and the Netanyahu administration need each other. It's the only way either stays in power
  Both aren't good for their own people, and both need to go before we can get peace in the region
  
  Unfortunately for the world and for the Palestinians this is exactly what's going down. Makes me cry.
  
  This really made the whole thing clear.
- Fascism isn’t rational. It searches for enemies to expand power and control. In this case, Netanyahu isn’t popular and this gives him the chance to consolidate control.
- Their ideal solution would be to kill every Palestinian and grind their buildings into dust.
  International attention prevents them from doing so. Although far too many countries are far too chummy with Israel, they wouldn't be able to maintain that in the face of open genocide.
  So instead they take what they can take. Bulldoze a few houses, execute a few people at the border, the usual stuff they get away with.
  But Hamas handed them an excuse on a silver platter and there has never been a better time for them to get what they want. It's clear they've decided on at least half the city and any civilians who get in the way.
- You are asking the wrong question. The question is "what are they losing from this" and the answer is nothing. They have committed war crimes for decades and not only is nobody turning away from them instead they get pumped full of even more and better weapons. Look at all the aid the west (mainly US) is sending them.
  Why would they ever think about potential consequences if there are never any?
- Maybe they want to scare people into not leaving the city, and then say they gave them the option but they didn't leave?
  This. They bomb the "safe" routes so people don't feel safe trying to leave and just wait to be bombed(Just like Iraq vs US and Russia vs Ukraine) and The extremists in Israel believe that the Jewish people are owed the entire territory of King Solomon's empire. That territory, at minimum, includes parts of Jordan and Syria. At maximum it extends from the Nile to the Euphrates to the Persian Gulf and up into Turkey.
  Palestine's existence to Israel is analogous to Ukraine's existence to Russia, except Russian sees Ukraine as "the same" people and Israel sees Palestinians as unrightful occupants that have no right to the lands of the Israeli people deeded to them by god according to scripture.
  The Palestinian people will be removed persistently and then it is on to the Jordanians, and so on until the Israeli extremists have their "sacred lands of the chosen people". The extremists Israelis will make small "palatable" cuts until they achieve their goals.
  It is a horrible situation for every innocent involved and this continuous and senseless death is absolutely worthless; all for the desires of corrupt and vile people believing nonsense.
  
  and The extremists in Israel believe that the Jewish people are owed the entire territory of King Solomon's empire. That territory, at minimum, includes parts of Jordan and Syria. At maximum it extends from the Nile to the Euphrates to the Persian Gulf and up into Turkey.
  Founding your claims on legends is never a good idea.
- Really good question. Are you implying it was Hamas doing this as a false flag?
  
  I don't think that's what they're saying. I think they're just saying that Israel is being really fucking aweful. They're being so bad it defies logic.
  I don't know though. I'm sure there are people saying what you're getting from it.

There are old people in wheel chairs following that convoy. Not sure how you could even justify this as an accident.
- Not sure how you could even justify this as an accident.
  You don't. What are they gonna do about it? The US will supply you with another carrier in a couple of days, and suck your dick shortly after.
- Retired Hamas.
  (I feel the need to point out: This comment is intended sarcastically.)
- There were tiny Hamas militants hiding under those wheelchairs though, so it's fine.

- Genocide

- That's what's happening to a society, if they are threatened yet unchecked. Israel managed for decades to turn a legitimate threat to a complete dehumanization of the Palestinians, and because Holocaust, nobody really reigned them in while it was happening.
- It is astounding that after all the Jewish people were put through, Israel looked at the Nazi playbook and copied it.
  Israel isn't systematically exterminating Palestine. If that were their goal there would be no Palestine and they wouldn't have international support. Palestine only exists because Israel isn't willing to treat them by that playbook. Jews couldn't leave Nazi camps, Palestinians can leave any time they wish ~~either by sea or~~ by the border with Egypt when it is open. The goal of the Nazis (and of Hamas for that matter) is genocide via mass murder, the goal of Israel is pacification.
  Rather, this is a population that lost a brutal war 70 years ago and refuses to negotiate for a viable peace, instead choosing to launch murderous terror attacks against civilians with great regularity the entire time. In an effort to end the conflict Israel has been exerting leverage over their defeated opponent and limiting the damage they can do via containment. Self-defense. Still the attacks continue, still Israel makes great efforts to adhere to international law, usually notifying the public about their targets beforehand so civilians can get away. Meanwhile their enemy continues to intentionally target and murder civilians. And the whole time, people like yourself blather on about how defending themselves in this awful situation makes them Nazis.
  I think Israel has shown great restraint. Were this happening to the US, I doubt we would be so civil. The few times we have been attacked by foreign powers on our soil we absolutely lost our shit.
  Edit: I had read that Gazans could leave through the blockade by sea but not return, that was inaccurate, Gazans cannot leave through the sea blockade presently.
  
  The sea that is blockaded? The 300 people Egypt lets cross a day?
  Fuck you, Nazi fuck

Any doubt remains on the evil nature of the governing entity of this occupation force? We've been attacked by monsters, let's show "em" we are worse by a mile and some

So they say "fuck off" but when they do that, they strike them down?

Any chance this was hamas instead? Very beneficial to them and the opposite to israel.
- Lots of possibilities. We don't have enough information at the moment.
- especially since they have said to Gazans not to leave

- Isn't that the other side of the truck, which does have it?
  We do need more information to get proper justice, but in the meantime we also need things to quiet down so things don't just keep getting worse
  
  Good looking out. You’re correct.

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