1y ago

Toyota to adopt Tesla charger for North American EV models

mainichi.jp Toyota to adopt Tesla charger for North American EV models - The Mainichi

NEW YORK (Kyodo) -- Toyota Motor Corp. said Thursday it will adopt Tesla Inc.'s charging standards for its electric vehicles to be sold in North Ameri

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Technology Connections has a great video on this subject.
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Makes sense. Why not use infrastructure that's already available?
- Because using proprietary standards puts you at the mercy of the technology owner
  
  It was made an open standard about a year ago
- https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32014L0094
  There is a placed by law standard in the European Union, don't know if the US has the same.
  
  Nah can't have standards in the USA, let the market solve that and Canada just follows whatever the USA does for these things.
- because, from what I understnad, only the newest tesla chargers will support non-teslas charging, which is gonna leave a shitton of older chargers as tesla exclusive.
  and overnight renders all the investment and infrastructure thats been built for J1772/CCS Type1/2 completely pointless and wasted effort almost overnight.
  
  and overnight renders all the investment and infrastructure thats been built for J1772/CCS Type1/2 completely pointless and wasted effort almost overnight.
  I could be mistaken, but I don't think it's that grim. J1772 will still be good for supporting vehicles and locations that don't support DC charging. Level 2 will continue to be useful for years since the grid doesn't support Level 3 charging just anywhere.
  And CCS 1/2 will support NACS with relatively simple adapters as I understand it. Existing DC charging stations can simply replace their CCS 1/2 ends with NACS over time when they would be replaced for maintenance anyway, and perhaps provide adapters in the meantime.
  I highly recommend this video from Technology Connections which changed my mind about this.
  (To be fair, as an owner of a PHEV that can't use DC charging anyway it doesn't make much difference to me though.)

That's disappointing. I can't wait to see how Musk attempts to screw with everyone once all major companies are using his "open" standard.
- SAE is ratifying NACS as an automotive standard. Once that process is complete Musk won’t have control over it.
  https://www.sae.org/news/press-room/2023/06/sae-international-announces-standard-for-nacs-connector
  
  I believe Tesla has already released ownership of the NACS patent as well.
  
  I'd bet anything he still tries something. Don't forget what an enormous moron he is.
- Exactly.

Does Toyota have any electic models? I thought they were still stuck between hybrids and hydrogen.
- They made one, and they called it the BZ4X. That's the sort of name that you give a car you don't want people to buy. And in the event anyone did buy buy it, they made sure the wheels fell off.
  By contrast they literally call their hydrogen car the future, so it's clear where their priorities lie.
  
  By contrast they literally call their hydrogen car the future, so it's clear where their priorities lie.
  I'm sure they're working on EVs behind the scenes for mainstream release once other companies iron out the quirks, while the Murai is a long-term development platform. Let's not forget Toyota dove headfirst into hybrids 23 years ago while other companies were developing shit like the Hummer H2 and the Excursion. People act like Toyota hates EVs but they're just very conservative in their designs because their brand has a reputation for being reliable and economical. Compare that with early Teslas costing $100k and having terrible QC issues. Nobody wants that from a Toyota.
  
  They've announced a lot of EVs are in the works but they'll also keep offering hybrids and FCEVs. They kind of have to our they'll lose the European market.
- They also have the Prius Prime and Rav4 Prime models which have larger battery packs and charge ports compared to their standard hybrid variants. These models don't support DC fast charging and still operate like standard hybrids so having the larger charge network isn't as important.
  I'm not sure if the existing Tesla level 2 "chargers" would work in this case but assuming they do it would offer more options.
  
  I have a prius prime! Works perfect for my use case. Everyday driving is full battery with maybe a bit of gas. Big long trips require no extra planning or stops.
  Not for everyone, and i figure will last until EVs are nice and developed with better infrastructure up where i live.
- They released a compliance car (BZ4x) built with Subaru. From what I've read it sucks and essentially just performs the same function as the PT Cruiser and Chevy HHR did back in the day. I'm sure this'll be retained for the future when they have a proper lineup of EVs though.
- Yes, they've created an BEV specific platform, which currently is used by the Toyota bZ4X/Subaru Solterra and Lexus RZ, with the Toyota bZ3 due in 2024.
- They have some plug in hybrids, too
- They have plug in hybrids.

I'd be careful with making vehicles reliant on a fascist owned charging infrastructure.
- The plug spec has been opened up, so we should see all infrastructure switch to this. Not just Tesla's superchargers. This is a good thing.
  
  Wasn't that an early Tesla thing too, opening up tech so others could use it? I remember being like this is how the future will be.
  They got me good.
  
  My default is zero trust in muskovite. Hopefully all potential loopholes are closed!

Fuuuck, please keep everything on one standard. It's going to suck to have multiple plugs at every station, particularly since the official standard can scale like crazy :/

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