US Vetoes UN Resolution for Ceasefire in Gaza

Never on the right side of history.
- We were that one time, and we’ve been milking it ever since.
  
  WW2, we only joined because Japan attacked. Otherwise, there were elements of the US population that were cheering for Hitler.
  
  @davel
  We were that one time, and we’ve been milking it ever since.
  Only until 2006 which is when the UK finally managed to pay the US back the "lend lease" debt it racked up in WWII
  Wonder how long it will take for Ukraine to pay back theirs, they're on a Lend Lease from the US right now.

Imperial America is a death cult.
- …In the fields, bodies burning as the war machine keeps turning…

What's particularly notable is that US vetoed the resolution that Russia put out on the basis that it did not condemn Hamas. However, US also vetoed subsequent resolution by Brazil that did condemn Hamas without giving a coherent explanation for the second veto. The only conclusion that can be reasonably drawn here is that US regime wants people to suffer and die. US is intentionally enabling a genocide in Gaza against the will of the rest of the world.
To sum up, fuck the US regime.
- without giving a coherent explanation for the second veto
  They said that they vetoed because "Brazil didn't say that Israel has a right of self-defense".
  
  That's not a coherent explanation given that the purpose of the resolution is to have a ceasefire as in both sides ceasing hostilities.
  
  I mean, that's part of the given justification for the veto, but it doesn't take a PhD in international relations to figure out that the real reason is obviously that both the US and Israel --and a number of other relevant players-- are currently knee-deep in operations and negotiations and that a cease fire, by changing the dynamic on the ground, would seriously screw those efforts.
  My guess is that Israel has a plan that it wants to execute before implementing any cease-fire, and that the US is on-board with it for now.
  Unlike most social media users, I don't feel like I know enough to take a position on whether this veto is morally justifiable or not. On its face it seems kind of lame, but I can easily think of reasons why it might actually be entirely justified. We will see.

The UN is such a fucking joke
- Whatever that is on paper, in reality it represents the overthrow of the UN
  
  That was one I didn't know about before. Someone in the UN, please make this happen. Maybe if China brought it to the general assembly.
- The UNS is such a fucking joke
  Fixed that for you.

War is big business...

all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.

I love democracy.

Why is veto even a thing?
- I think mostly because the Allied Powers won WWII and got to make the rules. Often the argument is made that, by giving the nuclear-capable countries veto power, they’re less likely to use those weapons, but that might be more of a rationalization than the actual reason.
  
  All it really boils down to is that the UN is toothless when trying to regulate any nuclear-armed country and any country or conflict a nuclear-armed country has an interest in. It absolutely sets certain countries apart in a multi-tiered system of international cooperation.
- @Luccajan basically the UN is a forum for dialogue and we need the big players to be part of it.
  If they don't get veto on the security council they will have a tantrum and leave, which will benefit no one.
  The superpowers already flout international law when they really want to, because there is nothing the rest of us can do to stop them, but it would probably be far worse if they weren't even part of the UN.
  
  basically the UN is a forum for dialogue and we need the big players to be part of it.
  Allowing the five biggest arms manufacturers on the planet to decide "security" issues is no different than allowing the five biggest drug cartels in the world to decide "health" issues.
- Because the US only agreed to join the UN on the condition that they would get to veto whatever they like.
  
  That's just plain wrong. The veto was a feature in the League of Nations (the predecessor of the UN). When the UN was formed, the permanent members (US, Soviet Union, United Kingdom, and China) all wanted this feature, ostensibly for unity and have all the major powers act together, but most likely to protect their own national interests.
  China and Russia have used the veto to act against US interests as well.
- This is like asking for medical advice on a naturopathic forum; sure you might get some vaguely correct answers, but mostly it's just going to be a lot of feel-good nonsense from partisan idiots who want to see the world in black and white.

Can anyone explain the true reason why US make such decision?
- As of October 2023, the United States has 599 active Foreign Military Sales (FMS) cases, valued at $23.8 billion, with Israel.
  Money. The answer is always money.
- It would put Israel "on the back foot" in regards to the conflict. Israel would be tied up negotiating for hostage release which is exactly where Hamas wants them. It stops being a question of who is winning a battle and turns it into "how much is Israel willing to sacrifice".