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It makes the uses of brackets confusing and inconsistent\n\nNo. A language that uses () for parameter lists, literals and indexing is much more mentally taxing to parse","removed":false,"published":"2025-06-23T00:49:05.503151Z","updated":"2025-06-23T00:49:25.424303Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://lemm.ee/comment/21393539","local":false,"path":"0.17586060","distinguished":false,"language_id":0},"creator":{"id":9426,"name":"Lojcs","banned":false,"published":"2023-06-10T07:46:47.858411Z","actor_id":"https://lemm.ee/u/Lojcs","local":false,"deleted":false,"matrix_user_id":"@lojcs:matrix.org","bot_account":false,"instance_id":25},"post":{"id":24457664,"name":"Stop Using `<>` for Generics","url":"https://soc.me/languages/stop-using-angle-brackets-for-generics","creator_id":3766433,"community_id":25308,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2025-06-22T12:06:19.066394Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"embed_title":"Language Design: Stop Using `<>` for Generics","embed_description":"TL;DR: Use [] instead of <> for generics. 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Such questions should be posted in [/c/learn_programming](https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming) or [/c/programming](https://programming.dev/c/programming).\n\nThis *is* the right place for posts like the following:\n\n- \"Check out this new language I've been working on!\"\n- \"Here's a blog post on how I implemented static type checking into this compiler\"\n- \"I want to write a compiler, where do I start?\"\n- \"How does the Java compiler work? How does it handle forward declarations/imports/targeting multiple platforms/?\"\n- \"How should I test my compiler? 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I still want to keep something like the old `container[index]` syntax, maybe `container.[index]` to indicate that it's a form of access. As long as generics go after names, this would not cause ambiguity.","removed":false,"published":"2025-06-22T23:14:39.672985Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/15018011","local":false,"path":"0.17584619","distinguished":false,"language_id":0},"creator":{"id":829261,"name":"anton","banned":false,"published":"2023-07-24T22:31:37.271485Z","actor_id":"https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/u/anton","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":31},"post":{"id":24457664,"name":"Stop Using `<>` for Generics","url":"https://soc.me/languages/stop-using-angle-brackets-for-generics","creator_id":3766433,"community_id":25308,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2025-06-22T12:06:19.066394Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"embed_title":"Language Design: Stop Using `<>` for Generics","embed_description":"TL;DR: Use [] instead of <> for generics. 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Such questions should be posted in [/c/learn_programming](https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming) or [/c/programming](https://programming.dev/c/programming).\n\nThis *is* the right place for posts like the following:\n\n- \"Check out this new language I've been working on!\"\n- \"Here's a blog post on how I implemented static type checking into this compiler\"\n- \"I want to write a compiler, where do I start?\"\n- \"How does the Java compiler work? How does it handle forward declarations/imports/targeting multiple platforms/?\"\n- \"How should I test my compiler? 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Such questions should be posted in [/c/learn_programming](https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming) or [/c/programming](https://programming.dev/c/programming).\n\nThis *is* the right place for posts like the following:\n\n- \"Check out this new language I've been working on!\"\n- \"Here's a blog post on how I implemented static type checking into this compiler\"\n- \"I want to write a compiler, where do I start?\"\n- \"How does the Java compiler work? How does it handle forward declarations/imports/targeting multiple platforms/?\"\n- \"How should I test my compiler? 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Such questions should be posted in [/c/learn_programming](https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming) or [/c/programming](https://programming.dev/c/programming).\n\nThis *is* the right place for posts like the following:\n\n- \"Check out this new language I've been working on!\"\n- \"Here's a blog post on how I implemented static type checking into this compiler\"\n- \"I want to write a compiler, where do I start?\"\n- \"How does the Java compiler work? How does it handle forward declarations/imports/targeting multiple platforms/?\"\n- \"How should I test my compiler? 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[] for arrays\n> 5. Type ident instead of ident: Type\n> 6. having if-then-else and switch/case and a ternary operator\n> 7. having both modifiers and annotations\n> 8. async/await\n> 9. separate namespaces for methods and fields\n> 10. method overloading\n> 11. namespace declarations doubling as imports\n> 12. special syntax for casting\n> 13. using cast syntax for things that are not casts\n> 14. requiring () for methods without parameters","removed":false,"published":"2025-06-23T00:59:45.543197Z","updated":"2025-06-23T01:01:38.262984Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://lemm.ee/comment/21393682","local":false,"path":"0.17586060.17586202","distinguished":false,"language_id":0},"creator":{"id":9426,"name":"Lojcs","banned":false,"published":"2023-06-10T07:46:47.858411Z","actor_id":"https://lemm.ee/u/Lojcs","local":false,"deleted":false,"matrix_user_id":"@lojcs:matrix.org","bot_account":false,"instance_id":25},"post":{"id":24457664,"name":"Stop Using `<>` for Generics","url":"https://soc.me/languages/stop-using-angle-brackets-for-generics","creator_id":3766433,"community_id":25308,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2025-06-22T12:06:19.066394Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"embed_title":"Language Design: Stop Using `<>` for Generics","embed_description":"TL;DR: Use [] instead of <> for generics. 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Such questions should be posted in [/c/learn_programming](https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming) or [/c/programming](https://programming.dev/c/programming).\n\nThis *is* the right place for posts like the following:\n\n- \"Check out this new language I've been working on!\"\n- \"Here's a blog post on how I implemented static type checking into this compiler\"\n- \"I want to write a compiler, where do I start?\"\n- \"How does the Java compiler work? How does it handle forward declarations/imports/targeting multiple platforms/?\"\n- \"How should I test my compiler? How are other compilers and interpreters like gcc, Java, and python tested?\"\n- \"What are the pros/cons of ?\"\n- \"Compare and contrast vs. \"\n- \"Confused about the semantics of this language\"\n- \"Proceedings from PLDI / OOPSLA / ICFP / \"\n\nSee [/r/ProgrammingLanguages](https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/) for specific examples\n\n## Related online communities\n\n- [ProgLangDesign.net](http://proglangdesign.net/)\n- [/r/ProgrammingLanguages Discord](https://discord.gg/4Kjt3ZE)\n- [Lamdda the Ultimate](http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/)\n- [Language Design Stack Exchange](https://languagedesign.stackexchange.com/)","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-15T13:05:27.022259Z","updated":"2023-07-19T02:02:54.571848Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://programming.dev/c/programming_languages","local":false,"icon":"https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/aa43d40c-a1ab-48e1-bc89-2f60606741b9.png","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":22,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":17586202,"score":5,"upvotes":5,"downvotes":0,"published":"2025-06-23T00:59:45.543197Z","child_count":6},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":17597269,"creator_id":3766433,"post_id":24457664,"content":"If you read more than just the headings, you'd find out that your objections have been addressed in the article. ;-)","removed":false,"published":"2025-06-23T13:03:27.236350Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://programming.dev/comment/17716424","local":false,"path":"0.17586060.17597269","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":3766433,"name":"soc","banned":false,"published":"2023-08-29T15:19:24.609114Z","actor_id":"https://programming.dev/u/soc","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":22},"post":{"id":24457664,"name":"Stop Using `<>` for Generics","url":"https://soc.me/languages/stop-using-angle-brackets-for-generics","creator_id":3766433,"community_id":25308,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2025-06-22T12:06:19.066394Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"embed_title":"Language Design: Stop Using `<>` for Generics","embed_description":"TL;DR: Use [] instead of <> for generics. It will save you a lot of avoidable trouble down the road.","ap_id":"https://programming.dev/post/32675330","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"text/html; charset=utf-8"},"community":{"id":25308,"name":"programming_languages","title":"Programming Languages","description":"Hello!\n\nThis is the current Lemmy equivalent of https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/.\n\nThe content and rules are the same here as they are over there. Taken directly from the [/r/ProgrammingLanguages](https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/) overview:\n\n> This community is dedicated to the theory, design and implementation of programming languages.\n>\n> Be nice to each other. Flame wars and rants are not welcomed. Please also put some effort into your post.\n> \n> This isn't the right place to ask questions such as \"What language should I use for X\", \"what language should I learn\", and \"what's your favorite language\". Such questions should be posted in [/c/learn_programming](https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming) or [/c/programming](https://programming.dev/c/programming).\n\nThis *is* the right place for posts like the following:\n\n- \"Check out this new language I've been working on!\"\n- \"Here's a blog post on how I implemented static type checking into this compiler\"\n- \"I want to write a compiler, where do I start?\"\n- \"How does the Java compiler work? How does it handle forward declarations/imports/targeting multiple platforms/?\"\n- \"How should I test my compiler? 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Why is that bad?\nMethod overloding is bad? why??","removed":false,"published":"2025-06-23T15:47:06.743146Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://feddit.org/comment/7402633","local":false,"path":"0.17586060.17586202.17600720","distinguished":false,"language_id":0},"creator":{"id":9956693,"name":"Quatlicopatlix","banned":false,"published":"2024-06-23T08:47:54.877379Z","actor_id":"https://feddit.org/u/Quatlicopatlix","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":6177},"post":{"id":24457664,"name":"Stop Using `<>` for Generics","url":"https://soc.me/languages/stop-using-angle-brackets-for-generics","creator_id":3766433,"community_id":25308,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2025-06-22T12:06:19.066394Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"embed_title":"Language Design: Stop Using `<>` for Generics","embed_description":"TL;DR: Use [] instead of <> for generics. It will save you a lot of avoidable trouble down the road.","ap_id":"https://programming.dev/post/32675330","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"text/html; charset=utf-8"},"community":{"id":25308,"name":"programming_languages","title":"Programming Languages","description":"Hello!\n\nThis is the current Lemmy equivalent of https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/.\n\nThe content and rules are the same here as they are over there. Taken directly from the [/r/ProgrammingLanguages](https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/) overview:\n\n> This community is dedicated to the theory, design and implementation of programming languages.\n>\n> Be nice to each other. Flame wars and rants are not welcomed. Please also put some effort into your post.\n> \n> This isn't the right place to ask questions such as \"What language should I use for X\", \"what language should I learn\", and \"what's your favorite language\". Such questions should be posted in [/c/learn_programming](https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming) or [/c/programming](https://programming.dev/c/programming).\n\nThis *is* the right place for posts like the following:\n\n- \"Check out this new language I've been working on!\"\n- \"Here's a blog post on how I implemented static type checking into this compiler\"\n- \"I want to write a compiler, where do I start?\"\n- \"How does the Java compiler work? How does it handle forward declarations/imports/targeting multiple platforms/?\"\n- \"How should I test my compiler? 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How would I know that one of the reasons you think <> are hard to read is because they are used as comparison and bitshift or that you intended () to be indexing syntactic sugar if I hadn't read them? As for the second, I didn't think how different languages managed to parse them matters as long as it doesn't impact compilation times significantly, hence my comment.","removed":false,"published":"2025-06-23T13:43:10.372830Z","updated":"2025-06-23T13:44:14.546803Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://lemm.ee/comment/21403592","local":false,"path":"0.17586060.17597269.17598062","distinguished":false,"language_id":0},"creator":{"id":9426,"name":"Lojcs","banned":false,"published":"2023-06-10T07:46:47.858411Z","actor_id":"https://lemm.ee/u/Lojcs","local":false,"deleted":false,"matrix_user_id":"@lojcs:matrix.org","bot_account":false,"instance_id":25},"post":{"id":24457664,"name":"Stop Using `<>` for Generics","url":"https://soc.me/languages/stop-using-angle-brackets-for-generics","creator_id":3766433,"community_id":25308,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2025-06-22T12:06:19.066394Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"embed_title":"Language Design: Stop Using `<>` for Generics","embed_description":"TL;DR: Use [] instead of <> for generics. 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Such questions should be posted in [/c/learn_programming](https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming) or [/c/programming](https://programming.dev/c/programming).\n\nThis *is* the right place for posts like the following:\n\n- \"Check out this new language I've been working on!\"\n- \"Here's a blog post on how I implemented static type checking into this compiler\"\n- \"I want to write a compiler, where do I start?\"\n- \"How does the Java compiler work? How does it handle forward declarations/imports/targeting multiple platforms/?\"\n- \"How should I test my compiler? 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