Anon tells you about The Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker
Anon tells you about The Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker
The Jedi are so needlessly neglectful towards Anakin in their attempt to try to teach him to be emotionally detached, and then they wonder why he became loyal to the only guy who would actually listen to him (even if it was just to use him).
The Jedi: Emotionally neglect Anakin for years
Anakin turns on them
The Jedi: ...
That is why Anikin was too old to be trained as a Jedi. Not because he was too old to learn how to fight, but because he was too old to be brainwashed to be a warrior monk. He had ties to the outside world. If they had started his training at birth, he would have no worldly ties to hold him back.
And before anyone calls me out on it, I have not consumed any Star Wars media other than the first 6 movies. I am well aware that I am pulling lore out of my butt.
This and crucially he is beyond the age at which he can have his understanding of (and fear of) death moulded (brainwashed) to the weird Jedi dogma.
You can make people do some really fucked up shit if you can disassociate their emotions from the deaths of those around them.
Centuries of training padawans and no one thought about reading some child development theory.
Dr. Spock is a different universe
Because the jedi aren't the good guys. I've said it for years they're designed as the righteous side of the same coin of the Sith. Always rambling about balance and such then willingly submitting as the lapdog police force of the bloated and corrupt Republic, only taking action when their masters need a war. It's thousands of years of moral objectivity gone wrong through the eyes of dogma fanatics who've lost their way.
Even Luke's revival (fuck off Disney) is bound to fail.
Wasn't this like the sort-of theme of the third trilogy? The Jedi tried to eschew attachments to prevent strong emotions like anger, jealousy, fear, and hatred. But Luke realizes that the Jedi were wrong. Being connected to other people is what the Force is all about.
At least, I think that's what they were going for when the franchise sat on its own collective balls.
Third trilogy? I didn’t think the made the Thrawn books.
From the corner of his eye, he saw Threepio stiffen. "I hope I didn't offend you, sir," the droid said anxiously. "That was certainly not my intent."
"You didn't offend me," Luke assured him. "As a matter of fact, you might have just delivered Ben's last lesson to me."
"I beg your pardon?"
Luke sipped at his drink. "Governments and entire planets are important, Threepio. But when you sift everything down, they're all just made up of people."
There was a brief pause. "Oh," Threepio said.
"In other words," Luke amplified, "a Jedi can't get so caught up in matters of galactic importance that it interferes with his concern for individual people." He looked at Threepio and smiled. "Or for individual droids."
"Oh. I see, sir." Threepio cocked his head toward Luke's cup. "Forgive me, sir... but may I ask what that is that you're drinking?"
They should have done.
To say that was the theme of the trilogy is a little generous. It was the theme of a single plotline of a movie that was also part terrible.
Ok, but the Padme deal was dope
I liked the prequel because of the mirror between Luke and Anakin. Luke had friends, a caring loving family, was born into royalty but grew up in the slums, his teachings were to be his most self and he had agency in how he wanted his destiny to turn out, not being pressed into a box of expectations and limitations. The list goes on but I always loved the idea George Lucas had, felt like he just needed to solidify his ideas a bit more
Lucas was excellent at big picture things, but should have been kept out of the details. Particularly dialogue
The issue was making them about Vader at all. He was just some lackey who was the protagonist's dad, that doesn't mean you need three movies of back story on how he got there.
If you want to do that, then you need to make them far more emotionally invested films because they are just a cavalcade of inept decisions.
But Vader was never dictator, he was figurehead. It's like one of the main plots of the movies, ie sith always have a shadow leader and a public figurehead that actually does work.
Vader wasn't a figurehead. He was more or less the third most powerful person in the galaxy, right behind Grand Moff Tarkin, up until he died. He basically operated as the head of the Imperial military in their war with the Rebel Alliance. But he never gave rousing speeches or acted as a political figure. He was just the guy who told you what to do and if you fucked up, he would choke you to death with his creepy magic powers. Also, Palpatine was literally the Emperor of the galaxy. People knew who he was: he was the last Chancellor of the Old Republic who'd been granted greater and greater emergency powers during the Clone Wars, up until the point he could effectively stage a coup and seize total power for himself. Nobody knew who Vader was, because, publicly, all the Jedi had been killed, Anakin included.
Wow I never really thought about how Vadar is basically unknown outside of the inner circles of the empire.
Now I am kind of wishing for a suspense horror movie of some grunts who are being hunted by Vadar, only they don't really know who or what he is. He's just a myth or a dark scary rumor. Yet they know something is hunting them.
He absolutely was, no one even knew nutsack face was the actual power behind the empire. And no the retconn doesn't make any goddamn sense so yes I ignore it.
No he clearly wasn't, obi wan probably still could have taken him because Vader would lose himself in anger again as always. Not to mention his untrained son bested or at the very least held his own against him so maybe 5th or 7th most powerful.
He never needed to it was says pretty specifically in universe that Vader was thought to be the empire. Sure he never played geopolitics, instead he instilled fear and let his administration do administrative shit that doesn't mean he isn't the defacto leader.
No, during empire literally no one knew nutsack face was the chancellor. It's not mentioned and everyone would 100% know what the fucked up looking king of the galaxy looks like.
He staged a coup, then faded into the shadow and very obviously immediately moved into the disinformation and replacement work. They literally show it on the movies.
Everyone knew Vader, no one knew Anakin and no one would in the same way I don't know what rey mysterio looks like but I'm still certain I know who he is and I'm 100% not willing to get thrown by my neck but dude a third my size.
So he got fucked in that regard too.
Yeah the tradition is apprentice kills master then moves to the shadows and finds an apprentice. By the time nutsack face dies he's already hurt and basically dying although with the new movie Vader failed in literally every respect. He is without question a failed sith apprentice and failed Jedi apprentice.
You should read Kieron Gillen’s Vader. Not because you’re wrong but I think you’ll enjoy seeing Vader working on his own machinations.
Not blowing any of the extended lore and based on the prequels it seems more like ani just forgot about his mom till he went to visit that one time
It is okay, Darth Vader is the lead protagonist in the Star Wars universe. Without him, the Emperor would never have been defeated.
He is the one that goes through the hero's arc.
Luke Skywalker was a complete failure in every way possible. The only thing he succeeded at was being so worthless that Vader finally had to act and save both his son and the universe.
yeah anakin/Vadsr had a complete arc, but then, somehow Palpatine returned.
Did they ever even try to explain that shit?
There is great video on how the Jedi teachings of no emotion and complete detachement are awful for anyone who would attempt them and directly lead to his turn to the dark side.
Anakin really needed to be aged up in the prequels. The story is much more interesting if he's just a little younger than Obi-Wan
The old republic really was a comedy of unforced errors, wasn’t it?
