Donald Trump fined $10,000 for second gag order violation in civil fraud case
Donald Trump fined $10,000 for second gag order violation in civil fraud case
Donald Trump was fined $10,000 on Wednesday after the New York judge overseeing his civil fraud trial said the former U.S. president violated a gag order for a second time.
Just waiting for Trump to not pay this like all his other bills and watch as the legal system decides to fine him for not paying fines because they don't have the balls to put him in a cell.
Oh no, not $10,000, he'll never financially recover from that... oh nevermind some moron just donated more than that to him, he's fine now.
Seriously, what's it going to take for them to finally throw him in jail? How many more times does he need to ignore court orders and threaten the safety of jurors, judges, and lawyers before they do something with actual consequences for him? If they're going to keep fining him they need to add a zero or two on there if they want him to actually stop.
The Judge is building a history of contempt charges for the record. Once he has a few more violations he can then throw him in jail and continue with the case.
Just throwing Trump in jail on his first offense means he could use this during his appeal. Having a history of contempt charges before he is out in jail makes it harder to win on appeal.
Next time he gets two ice creams and a comic book! Way to fucking take the gloves off, judge.
The supreme court is extremely corrupt. What do you expect from every lower court when the top is bought and paid for by the oligarchy of which Trump is a front man stooge. This is all just a game of distractions created to control the conversation and maintain the lack of laws and protections at the abysmal state they have been in since the 1980's. The entire point of everything the GOP touches is the loopholes that allow 750 billionaires to rob the country blind. Everyone that aligns with this is either bought and paid for, or a convenient idiot. The clown show distractions all have fixed outcomes secured well in advance. That is why nothing ever comes of the constant barrage of radical headlines. The headline is not the purpose; controlling the rhetoric is the only goal.
I’ll just leave this here:
Fines need to scale with the net worth of the person, otherwise they only impact poor people.
That wouldn't be very effective. Trump's net worth is a function of his mood.
And the capabilities of whoever he has cooking the books for that particular transaction.
Well, if it doubles every time, it shouldn't take too long to reach the point where he can't pay...
Fines Doubled
- $5k
- $10k
- $20k
- $40k
- $80k
- $160k
- $320k
- $640k
- $1,208m
- $2,560m
- $5,120m
- $10,240m
- $20,480m
- $40,960m
- $81,920m
- $163,840m
- $327,680m
- $655,360m
- $1,310,750b
It would take Trump 19 times violating the gag order before hitting a billion dollars. Even if you add up the fines cumulatively, it would take 18 times before Trump had to pay over a billion dollars. A poor person would be crippled by the first fine.
Edit: Counting is hard.
I agree completely. Problem is that it's not an oversight, it's by design. They made it like this and keep it like this on purpose.
He's worthless. His asset value is a lie and he has tremendous debt.
He should be in jail.
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I'm pretty sure that regular people would see the inside of a jail cell for breaking a gag order twice, but the guiltiest billionaire since Madoff get fined less than his yearly hamberder budget 🤬
*Billionaire impersonator
You say that like Madoff didn't have to turn himself in because the SEC couldn't be bothered to look into the books of the DTCC while getting numerous tips about Madoff.....
When the punishment is a fine, it’s only a crime if you’re poor.
I mean not if the fine fits the crime. A big enough fine can cut the rich even harder than it can the poor. This was not big enough btw.
A big enough fine can cut the rich even harder than it can the poor.
I guess, in theory, but I've never seen that happen. And even if you did take more from them, it's only a "deeper cut" in the sense that they fell further to get to broke.
A $10k fine might be more than a poor person's entire net worth, forcing them into homelessness or extreme poverty.
I've never seen a billionaire forced to pay over 100% of their net worth in fines. Hell, I don't think I've ever seen a fine over $1B, except by a corporation.
Billionaires only go broke when they mismanage their own money. Jail time isn't even as big a threat if they are young, as they could well have more money when they come out, where any other Joe Schmo would come out broke and with limited job prospects.
This is nickels to him. Many more nickels that he simply won't pay.
Put his ass in county on contempt charges. No bail. Let him fucking fester.
He still won't learn anything, but at least it'll be harder for him to run his goddamn mouth.
Someone in the thread about his previous $5k fine made a really good point that low but increasing fines may actually be more effective in the long run as there is still the ultimate threat of imprisonment, but the fines should still prove as a deterrent (eventually).
Besides that, straight to jail has the potential to galvanize his crazy supporters into action, whereas the fines are actually punitive and his supporters who believe he's got oodles of money should be able to shrug it off as no issue.
Basically it seems like the judge could be playing the long game by the books.
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This article doesn't cover the best part, which is that afterward he stormed out like the little baby he is.
If the fine doubles every time, we are in the "grains of rice on the chessboard" territory soon!
Next, the fine will be $20,000, then $50,000, then $100,000, then $200,000, then $500,000, then $1,000,000, then $2,000,000, then $5,000.000. then $10,000,000, etc. and see how long it takes before then finally throw the book at this asshole and put him behind bars.
I've never seen someone mix up "threw" and "through" but now that I'm saying them out loud, they're pretty close homonyms.
Throw*... threw is past tense.
Stop punishing rich people with fines, it doesn't work. It's like punishing me with naptime, I was probably gonna be asleep anyway!
He's establishing a fact pattern. The money is largely irrelevant.
Should be sanctioned daily until he's in compliance. Where did they find this judge?
It's random selection. Reminder that Judge Engoron was the judge that hit the Trump Org with a default judgement and ordered the wholesale dissolution of his company.
So while this looks like a pittance (and it kind of is, TBH), this judge has already taken Trump to the cleaners.
They need to double it for every offense.
They could fine him a trillion dollars for all he cares, he won't pay one cent because its not like they are going to put him in jail or they would have done that already.
In that case it would be hilarious if he ultimately ends up serving jail time due to unpaid contempt fines
Me hope his puchcard has the third puch as prison.
I'm hoping the third punch is in his smarmy face.
That's fucking stupid. Not jailing him for it undermines confidence in a judicial branch that most people have no faith in already.
That's like fining me 85 cents.
But the batshit thing is, it will still really annoy him.
Lock Him Up
Once again, no real consequences, fascism wins again.
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To an American billionaire ($1,000,000,000), $10,000 is equivalent to $10 out of an American million ($1,000,000), or $1, out of $100,000.
Until there is jail time, Trump doesn't care. He paid his hired help 10 X that to two models to not talk about their affairs with him.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
On Oct. 20, Engoron fined Trump $5,000 after finding he had not taken down a post disparaging the law clerk, and warned that future transgressions could bring "far more severe" sanctions including jail.
The judge, when he originally imposed the gag order, said that comments directed at his staff were "unacceptable, inappropriate and will not be tolerated under any circumstances."
Earlier on Wednesday, Cohen acknowledged under questioning by an attorney for the former president that he has a financial incentive to criticize his ex-boss but defended his credibility as he testified in the trial.
Habba on Wednesday asked Cohen about how much money he made from his political podcast and two books he wrote since bitterly cutting ties with Trump and becoming one of his fiercest critics.
Cohen's testimony could bolster the attorney general's argument that Trump, his company and several of its executives unlawfully inflated property values.
Cohen pleaded guilty to tax fraud, campaign violence violations and perjury in 2018 and was sentenced to three years in prison.
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Lock. Him. Up.
So UNFAIR, that deranged judge. Send money now!