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Workers are not valuable

So, I just need to rant for a minute about what's just happened. It's made me feel fairly disposable as a worker. I work in I.T. support. I help people who can't operate technology with highly complicated issues. I am highly skilled, well trained and I have a diverse set of understanding for technical issues.

Last year I took a new job. The old job was an MSP, or Managed Service Provider; if you don't know what that is; an MSP is the IT department for companies too small to have an IT department. That's the summary. The new company is both an MSP and an ISP as well as just about everything else you can imagine for IT.... hosting webpages, and all the associated nonsense, phones/VoIP, colocation (Datacenter stuff).... everything. Basically, when someone was signed onboard with this employer, we did it all.

Starting out, everything seemed fairly normal, a bit more involved, since we do more than the last company, but nothing too crazy. The part that irked me, is that as MSP, we own a client, we do everything for them, including, but not limited to all their computer/server/network work (which I expected), but also their phones, internet service, hosting, email, etc. everything.... which is a bit more than I expected, but I was managing okay.

In March/April, things changed in my personal life, where I was having to drive my SO to work (she doesn't have her license, and we don't live in a place where she can reliably get a taxi/bus/other transportation), the problem is that her work is 3-11, where I work 9-5, in another city. So I tried to work with my workplace but they wouldn't let go of working from the office, so I ended up on an insane schedule of commuting to the office (over an hour drive each way), then leaving the office at 1PM, to be home for 2PM, to get her to work for 3PM, then GOING BACK TO WORK. I wasn't able to keep up with my workload.... in addition, I'm driving her home at 11, getting home at midnight, then getting up at 5-6AM to get a shower and do it all over again. I couldn't sustain that for any reasonable length of time, and I burned out. My doctor issued a notice to my workplace that I am unable to continue working for the time being, they accepted it and I went on disability as of early may, until now.

Currently, I feel much better, compared to when I was burning out in April, and I feel a lot better about going back. The SO has also been working on getting her license and her own car, so within a few months I won't have to even think about whether she can get to work or not, since she will have a car and her license to drive herself there. A week or two ago, I contacted my workplace to let them know I was ready to return. We had a few emails back and forth to resolve the matter of the doctors recommendation and disability diagnosis. Once all that was completed, I thought I was ready to go. Big nope.

I got word yesterday that instead of bringing me back, they're laying me off.

So not only did they have the callous attitude to force me to drive to the office and back several times a day to try to maintain a poor life scenario (I asked to WFH, which they absolutely could do, since they did it over COVID without significant issues).... but when I burned out as a result of their ridiculous demands, and took some time off, instead of welcoming me back and holding my position, they filled in the gap while I was out on disability, and laid me off when I was able to return.

I feel so abandoned. I won't complain about "where's the loyalty" because there's never been a time in my career where "loyalty" has ever been something I've felt that my workplace ever gave me; and all evidence I've seen says that companies have zero loyalty to anyone. Maybe one day in the past that was true, but it's definitely not been true for the entirety of my working career; but here I am, a highly skilled individual, with specific skills that will absolutely help the company succeed, that they know I have, that they're just going to throw away... and for what?

The excuse they gave me was financial downsizing, but it's a company of about 12-18 people, so it's not like my job was part of a larger dismissal of people, they've lost, laid off, or otherwise shed employees at a very slow rate. Some of my (now former) coworkers have said that several people who have voluntarily left their positions, have been replaced during my time away; but me? no. Apparently my knowledge isn't worth enough to them.

I'm currently on the hunt for a new employer. IMO, these guys are fools to throw away everything I know. The only challenge I face right now is finding someone who will see my value. IT support jobs are usually underpaid in my local area, and too many companies are going return to office and I'm not easily able to find remote (WFH) type employment. The jobs are there, but it's hard to find one that's worth my time. The core issue IMO, with the low pay, is that it's a non-union position, but if I can find a union job, I'm all in.

Wish me luck!

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  • This is exactly the kind of thing that a union would prevent.

  • Sorry to hear you're going through this. I had similar thing happen to me a while ago. Same industry, I was a sys-admin at an MSP contracted to a specific client.

    Got in a car accident, hit-and-run by another driver. Luckily I was not seriously injured, but my car was in the shop for 5 weeks. My spouse and I only had 1 car then, so I had no way to get onsite easily. Public transport sucks where we live, the fastest bus route to my client was an hour and 20 minutes. It used to take me 15-20 minutes to drive in the car.

    I requested to work remote until my car was back from the shop, (my insurance didn't include a rental at the time.) My MSP responded, "it's not our problem that you got in a car accident, figure out your transportation." They wouldn't even compromise and let me work remote for 2-3 days of the week, even though they had presented their company as being remote-work friendly.

    I wish there was a tech workers union I could join, it would have been so nice to have them start kicking some ass on my behalf.

    The company doesn't care about you...

  • In my experience, jobs that have employees working multiple departments are a red flag. Employees should usually stick to one task and learn how to be great at it before moving up.

    • I understand this entirely; the only statement I can make about "wearing multiple hats" at work, is the companies I've worked for (both the former employer, and this one) are both very small, so sometimes there's not enough of your work to keep you busy, and making yourself useful for other departments is key to maintaining your employment. Sitting around waiting for work to fall from the sky, is not a good look.

      In any company that has even 4 or 5 people per department, it should never be a problem. at my former employer (the first one mentioned in the original post), we had 5 or 6 support-focused team members, I rarely stepped outside of MSP support, beyond generating leads for inside sales to existing clients for stuff they needed from a technical aspect. at the "new" place, most deparments had fewer than 4 people. The team I was on, was three support techs.

      What irked me, is that as MSP, I had to know everyone else's job, but nobody was required to cross train on my team. All the other departments were solely focused on their specific tasks, but since I had to take total ownership of all the needs of the clients assigned to me, I had to know how the ISP operations and voice operations team's jobs entirely. That was problematic for me. I raised the issue a few times and did not get positive responses. I persisted in succeeding at the role regardless, but I still didn't like it. If I got a support ticket that was for an add/change/remove for a VoIP extension, I should have been permitted to forward that to the voice team and continue with my normal work, doing little more than traffic control on the ticket as a result; if a company wanted faster/different internet, or had an internet related issue, I should have been able to do the same for the ISP team, but it was expected that I would make my best effort to find and solve the problem before I engaged with that team, so I still had to know their job.

      The irony of the whole thing is that the other departments jobs were so straight-forward that I was often able to do their jobs better than they could. I'm not meaning to brag or anything that I'm better or something, I don't believe I am. With my specific disability, I'm classified as neurodivergent, so there's a certain structure I always look for when dealing with issues. Simply having that structure seemed to lead me to better solutions than that team otherwise would have. The neurotypical workers in those teams would focus on just completing the immediate task, while I would go through the whole thing from top to bottom, trying to understand the full scope of the issue, from a fundamental level. This often led to me catching issues that were otherwise unnoticed. It also resulted in me taking much longer to do simple tasks than others took; which is a big reason I don't consider my approach to be "better", just different. It could be argued either way which is "better", and such an assessment is really a matter of opinion. The fact is, me doing their work often resulted in finding more issues, and taking longer. I got blamed for slow working, and they shot the messenger more than once for the problems found; so I get blamed for things a lot. I'm okay with it because I know it's not my fault. As long as nobody yells at me, or threatens my job for what I've found, I'm going to keep doing it.... but my interest in doing that work was to resolve the problems so I don't need to deal with it again later; so I always try to do root cause analysis, or RCA. RCA is not a short process.... sometimes it's as simple as changing deborah to sally, or whatever, on a phone system, and resetting the voicemail password, then emailing that information off to the customer. Other times it's that the user is assigned but to an offline or incorrect phone, or the phone is assigned as the wrong model in the system and it's not picking up the changes because the configuration file is wrong for the phone type (or any number of other errors). Things happen.

      Sorry for the mini-rant, I kinda got off topic there for a bit.

  • The only challenge I face right now is finding someone who will see my value.

    I am sorry for your experiences, and am hopeful you will bounce back.

    Unfortunately, under our current systems, many are having similar experiences, or even worse. Many, in particular, with chronic or permanent disability, face near total disenfranchisement from the workplace, even among those who might support themselves through working at certain kinds of jobs along with appropriate accommodations and subsidies.

    None of us is ever paid what we are worth, because businesses exist to extract value from the labor of workers, that is, to claim a profit from workers selling their labor, and doing so requires paying them less than the value generated by the labor they provide to a business.

    Unions certainly will help improve work and life experience for the vast majority of the population, by allowing us to negotiate collectively for conditions, terms, and wages that are more favorable than simply the least favorable ones absolutely necessary for an employer to retain some worker willing to perform particular functions.

    If we recognize and pursue our shared interests, then we can end the race to bottom that has been imposed on us as workers.

    • This is something I've recognised for a long time. I will never get what I am worth 100% because I'm just a worker. Value from my work will be extracted because the sales staff needs to be paid, and the accountants need to be paid, and management, and everyone I rely on as a worker to both do my job and get paid. There will always be something additional removed for profit above and beyond the cost of all of those other labor needs that make my job possible, since I'm not the only person contributing to the earnings of the company, and the only way to make what I'm worth is to get out on my own, and become a contractor. I don't want to do that. I have a certificate from a local college for business; I have seen the processes and whatnot that make up the accounting, marketing, sales and other processes that contribute to the success of a transaction. I am not interested and actively dislike having to do any of those tasks.

      For me, this is understood, and I've accepted that, since I don't want to do all the jobs. I'm willing to accept a certain amount of loss for my labor so I don't have to think about or engage in any of those other activities. The work I do is, to my estimation, worth at least $150k/yr, extrapolated from the amount my employers charge for my time, multiplied by the number of hours they expect me to achieve in billable time per day, times five days a week, times 52 weeks per year. I struggle to extract half that in wage. If I could get half of that in wages, I'd be pretty happy, but I can't. Therein lies the problem. I don't and never have expected my full value, but I don't think 50% is too much. Honestly, it should be higher, but bluntly, companies are not in the right position to entertain that, either psychologically, or financially due to mismanagement.

      The value I'm seeking to be recognised for is that I'm worth paying a higher percentage of the earnings I'm capable of bringing in. I am useful beyond my role in almost every aspect because I've taken the time and gotten the relevant education to actually understand the factors that go into these things. I have a deeper understanding of business practices than the average, and I can all but sell a product or service to a client that they currently do not have; aka, priming a sale for the company. I have been directly responsible for several sales at multiple clients over my career. Not nearly at the same rate as our dedicated sales team, since that's literally their only job, but I've given easy sells to so many of our sales staff that, while I'm on the clock billing time for something else, sold another product with all but the papers signed and money transferred. I make other workers jobs easier, which IMO, is worth more than the direct technical value provided. It's a skill set that I don't see in my coworkers that are exclusively focused on the technology. There are many other aspects I can enhance that is valuable, and I often step out of my immediate role to help others. That's just how I am. I want to be helpful, and if something is in the best interest of the client, I will sell it. Even knowing this, and experiencing this first-hand at work, my employer still decided on a layoff.

      I don't feel like any of what I've said is unreasonable. 50% of the earnings I directly bill for is my salary, and I provide value beyond that which justifies the amount spent.

      I'm neurodivergent, with an executive function disorder, and that classifies me as disabled, yes. I have done everything in my power to meet everyone on their terms, so nobody needs to make accomodations for me. It's still hard to fit in for me, but I take on the challenge of that as part of the experience of employment; I do everything in my power to make sure that my differences don't affect the ability for others to operate as they normally would.

      yet, I still feel rejected by the systems I've worked so hard to fit into. I'm tossed out like trash whenever they feel like I'm not doing enough, when I'm fighting very hard to survive in their world, not made for people like me. All I've ever wanted was to be helpful. Let me be helpful, and pay me for the significant efforts I take to be helpful.

      • Value from my work will be extracted because the sales staff needs to be paid, and the accountants need to be paid, and management, and everyone I rely on as a worker to both do my job and get paid.

        Profit is not wages paid to workers other than yourself, even workers performing other job functions. Other workers receive wages because they provide labor, just as you receive wages because you provide labor. Profit is value generated by your labor, and by the labor of other workers, that is appropriated by the owners of a business, claimed for themselves, despite their not having contributed any labor to the productive processes of generating the wealth.

        All sophisticated productive systems are based on division of labor, and even most primitive ones entail at least some. Division of labor is as old as the hills, but the unbounded accumulation of private wealth by the labor of workers is not universal and indeed relatively recent.

        You should not support the profit motive of your employer simply because you have an occupational specialization. One is not bound to the other.

        There will always be something additional removed for profit above and beyond the cost of all of those other labor needs that make my job possible, since I’m not the only person contributing to the earnings of the company, and the only way to make what I’m worth is to get out on my own,

        Along a similar theme as above, you are conflating organization of labor in general, with particularly labor being organized by a private business under the profit motive.

        The value I’m seeking to be recognised for is that I’m worth paying a higher percentage of the earnings I’m capable of bringing in.

        Employers always pay workers, with the rarest exceptions, the absolute minimum required to retain their labor.

        Otherwise, they would be eliminated by businesses that were more competitive.

  • I just want to say that it doesn't have to be this way. This is a pretty US centric issue

    • Employers in any country take advantage of every opportunity to extract the most value from workers at the least expense and risk.

      Workers have experienced better conditions in many advanced countries, compared to the US, but the overall structure of the system is entirely the same.

      Meanwhile, the political forces that have dismantled systems of worker empowerment are operating in all countries, and in some sense are continuing to expand outside the US.

  • Did you check with an employment attorney? Sounds illegal.

    • Sounds about right. There's a reason he needed to get that doctors note. Disability discrimination seems plausible.

    • If in the US, generally that would be an FMLA issue. But given the size of the company, FMLA doesn't apply. As I recall, it only applies to companies bigger than 25 or 50 employees. I used to work for a small MSP, and we had about 20 employees. I had no guarantee of any parental leave when my kid was born, so I had to work remotely and take PTO to cover my time off. It was not how I wanted it to go.

      • I'm in Canada, and with the exception of some healthcare and related things (like parental leave), we're very similar in employment laws at a high level. I still plan to inquire about it with an attorney, but I'm not exactly hopeful that will result in something.

        Speaking to some people who know the system better than I do, locally, they've informed me that our government employment insurance system (which has been covering me financially since I became "disabled", may launch an inquiry, since it's very legally dubious that a company doesn't take back a worker after a disability).... based on the results of that inquiry, I may have legal options..... that's a lot of if's, and relying on others to do their jobs and results of these things being in my favor. At present, I'm apt to leave it be, but I will pursue it if advisors say otherwise. I will be seeking official legal advice on the matter at some point in the near future. I can't and won't promise any specific action because I don't have all the information required for the matter; in my mind it could go either way. what I can promise is that I'll be looking into it. I don't know that I will update anything in any meaningful way to relay the results here, but it will be examined as an option.

        What's important to note, is that this is a layoff. A layoff is different than firing (termination of employment), you still don't have a job at the end of the day, but a layoff is more along the lines of "we are currently unable to fulfill the requirements of employing you", which opens the option of employment later if the conditions change on the companies side of things. I'm still unemployed at the moment, so I'll see what happens, I don't officially come off disability until the end of the month, and I don't report that to employment insurance for a few weeks yet; but I may give them a call on Monday just to inform them of the change, which may accelerate the process. Regardless, I don't want to force them to employ me, since that's usually a recipe to have them seek out any/all infractions and reprimand me whenever possible to justify firing me with cause, which would be worse for me overall; EI here only covers job loss where there is no fault of your own contributing to the loss. If you are fired with cause, then you're on your own. While EI doesn't provide enough income to sustain myself properly, it's something, which is more than nothing.

    • I have a friend who is a paralegal, and while her opinion does not constitute legal advice, she thinks I should talk to an employment lawyer as well.... I'm seriously considering it, but at the moment I'm biding my time a little bit as I still have personal effects at the workplace that I would like to recover before pursuing any action that could sour the relationship between that employer and me (from their perspective) any more than it may already be soured.

      I resisted the urge to make the comment "laying someone off after they recover from a disability? That's awfully brave of you."

      I don't think that would have gone over particularly well with them. Needless to say, my first priorities are to find reliable employment and recover my belongings. I'll consider it further when that is accomplished. Lucky for me, I had previously been given the name of someone who is exactly this kind of lawyer by someone I worked with. Let me paraphrase them by saying, it's not the first time, and probably won't be the last.

      I feel like it's unfortunate since I actually liked the people I worked with. I didn't care for management, but bluntly, most management rubs me the wrong way, so no love lost there... But they had some really great people working there that I genuinely enjoyed working with. Oh well. Life goes on.

  • good luck, you'll find somebody who is grateful to have you around

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