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Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide

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And yet they never seem to want to move to china or russia.
- "No, I want to ruin my country!"
- No why would they do that
  
  They need a Holiday in Cambodia
  
  Bold of you to assume Lemmygrad isn't already Russian

Denying? That's outright praise.
- All that organ harvesting torture and sexual assault of prisoners and human rights violations... uhm hmhm um ashtually you see it was all just a very successful deradiclisation campaign m'lady

This shit is so embarrassing
- I'm having a hard time accepting that lemmygrad and hexbear are practically official Lemmy shit, instead of just these weird parasitic communities that flocked to a more open platform after being banned everywhere else.

Go to lemmygrad.ml and post about Russia or China. You will read insane ramblings about projections. Somehow the argument is always "look at this bad thing in the west, here is completely misinformed info about your country, look how good Russia/China, skip over genocides you are projecting it is happening in the West, to finish my argument Are You a Nazi?!".
Yougoslavia was created by soviets/russia. His beloved communists. I am super interested in what mind gymnastics he has to excuse that.
He could have gone with Africa or Middle East, much better example of collosal fuck ups of Ze Bad West. But that would require knowledge of history longer than 50 years.
Also crying about Poland. As a guy living in Poland, hearing stories of people that fought in WWII and people that lived in communist Poland, I am so interested in how these first hand accounts are US misinformation.
- I was banned from Lemmygrad for statements that were critical of the authority of the USSR, and writings of their savior Karl M.
  I was banned from Lemmy.world for anti-zionism. Most of the Lemmy side of the fediverse seems infested with authoritarianism that's as bad as Reddit's corporatism.
  
  My bans from lemmy.ml have all come from literally arguing that there are a solid 150 years worth of academic ideas building on Marx and that taking Marxist orthodoxy as the exclusive socialist dogma in that context is simply ignorant.
  I am starting to think that they hate revisionist socialists more than actual capitalists, because it seeks to deny them the thing they really want, which is a justification for violence and totalitarianism.
  
  I will always advocate the people leave those platforms and go to other instances. I don't know why everybody moved over to Lemmy.world when people left reddit. I assume it must have been heavily promoted over there although I never saw it.
  Been on a smaller instance has only upside, it's far less likely to go completely insane and then get itself defederated from other instances, it does not tend to get DDoS attacks as much, and you can still access all the content on those larger instances, assuming you want to.
  
  Lemmy.world is run by Enlightened Centrists. People who think we should all just get along, and calmly discuss these life-and-death matters, no matter how demonstrably wrong a lie is, or how much bad-faith abuse someone spits.
  At this point - any internet community demanding "civility" is a red flag for bad moderation. "Be nice!" means they're not prepared to treat 'stop implying I'm subhuman, asshole' as the justified response to a troll with a rear-mounted boot slot that needs filling. And even then it's a coin-toss. You can spend immense effort restraining and editing responses to complete bullshit, guiding someone by-the-nose through why they're blatantly fucking wrong, while they keep trying to make that personal through chest-beating and snide remarks... and then watch then give up all pretense and spit the worst insults they can imagine over dry criticism of what they choose to say... and see your reports of idiotic directed abuse go absolutely nowhere.
  If your rules effectively run interference for bastards, fuck your rules.
  
  Seems unlikely they'd do that, perhaps the angle you took might have triggered them. They tend to know their history and cite well, and get lied about a lot, so they're suspicious of people who might get details wrong and probably take them for trolls.
  their savior Karl M
  Obviously I can't fairly judge what you wrote but you are at the very least not left wing right?

This is a factor in why I really want kbin/mbin to succeed. I also think it has the potential to be the better platform, but only time will tell.
- I think both kinda suck, so I'm making my own that's completely distributed instead of federated. That way hosting costs are near zero (just need some P2P nodes and a download server) and scaling to higher user counts should be automatic if I build it right.
  The problem is that building it right is hard, and I don't have a ton of time.
  
  You got more details? Is it up on github?
- Wouldn't a fork be easier? I have high hopes for mbin but I really can't understand why Lemmy hasn't been forked yet.

Recently had someone argue Palestine isn't genocide because the Arab population in Israel is going up.
Any obsession with birth rates is a red flag for brain worms, as surely as talking about skull shape.
- There's some fair clause that it is a genocide, though if it is, it goes both ways. That and most of the conditions that Palestine and Gaza put themselves in are from their own mistakes and faults in the past, such as declaring war a few times (and losing all of them), attacking their neighbouring countries and attacking Europe.
  Not that this justifies Israel's violence. They were killing innocent Arabs before Hamas.

I’ve got no loyalty at all to communism or marxism. But I do have a loyalty to honesty, and I have to object. I don’t see a denial of the Massacre in the screenshotted comment. I see a characterization of it as some kind of US-led attack.
They aren’t saying anything like “that didn’t happen” or “people didn’t die”. Maybe they say it elsewhere, but not here.
- Bingo. There's a difference between saying it didn't happen and "it happened but it was good". I would say later is worse. But pretending they are saying something they clearly are not isn't good

LOOK GUYZ I THINK HE MITHT HAVE A POIJT THERWA NOFFIN THERE

Does anyone create a social media platform without being an absolute nutjob? Tom from Myspace, maybe?
- Don’t quote me on this but I went to school with Tom and, during a dissection, nicked my finger with a scalpel. He quickly lifted my hand and proceeded to suck my finger for the rest of class. It took 3 large men to separate my digit from his mouth and 2 more to fish out my fingertip. I heard they pumped 3 pints of blood from his stomach.
- I worked with Tom at a pizza hut in the 90s. Dude would always stick his dick in the pizza oven. I never noticed any crazy behavior from him, though.
- Forever <3 CJayC, but GameFAQs didn't start as forums.
  
  I once looked up a question about an old videogame and Google directed me to GameFAQs, to a comment made by me that answered it.
  Which I think is part of their problem, right?
  They're supposed to be a guide site but they became about the forum.

Hmm. That reads just like the most sane lemmygrad.ml user. Could that whole place be just actual bots?

Holy shit that's bad.

/r/asktankies
Really? JFC

Ah they're a tankie

I use Kbin so I don't really care, but couldn't someone with at least a little bit of sanity just fork Lemmy? Or at the very least create more instances that aren't run by brainless delusional extremists...
- I agree with the sentiment of forking lemmy. It'll add more alternative platforms aswell which Is great
- I believe beehaw is currently doing that, and I wouldn't be surprised if other instance developers are doing the same in their own time.

Lmao, poland mentioned

People are advocating about blocking commingles and stuff when one doesn't like then, and here we are with people obsessed with 2 other people digging all their past comments from years ago and reposting in a community here anything that doesn't reaches this place because it is either blocked or defederated.
So if anyone has blocked them, not to miss the news smh

What's the state of Poland, though?

goat, whoever that person is, doesn't mind his own bussines, and likes to judge other people
And also, propaganda, please stop taking sides, stop listening to propaganda. All countries are bad, media is lying
- Sorry what's your complaint?
  
  What's the point of paying attention to people you don't like, what's the point of spreading propaganda?
  Maybe that person is spreading Chinese propaganda, but you're spreading anti Chinese propaganda, you're not a bit better than that person

Lemmy is a poisoned seed. Besides the questionable lead developers, you have the most popular lemmy instances enforcing rules arbitrarily while lying about it and removing entries from the modlog arbitrarily making them all but useless. At least it will be a good exercise in determining how well its federated nature allows it to survive.
Given how often it has happened, I'd say it's the fate of these sort of migrations from other major social networks to be spearhead by lying opportunists and people trying to hide their flaws through abuse of power. Unfortunately, social networks are far removed from the time when the people doing the spearheading where acting as good faith developers exploring what was possible - they'd probably be among the first to get gaslit and DDOSed.
- I'm curious about mod log editing, can you elaborate?
  But yeah, ml has basically marked my accounts at this point because I've repeatedly challenged their socialist orthodoxy and they seem really upset about it. Basically any time I comment I get another ban with no explanation.
  
  No modlog editing happened. The modlog is federated so editing it makes no sense.
  Look up the user internettubes in the modlog and you will find it:
  
  It comes from the IWB archivals mentioned here: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/554307/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-is-perhaps-worse-than-reddit
  Basically take https://web.archive.org/web/20231019235547/https://lemmy.world/modlog and try to find the same in this later one https://web.archive.org/web/20231021224842/https://lemmy.world/modlog . You'll find a lot of missing gaps.
- Rules. Lame

Could anyone please add more context? I see some reddit user spewing some bullshit, but how do we know that's Dessalines? Genuine question...
- Check out this comment for some more information.
  
  The irony that he started lemmy because he got a ban and then does the same shit on his own platform.
  
  Thanks. Ugh, I don't want to use lemmy anymore now....

Lmao, poland mentioned

You don't have to like the artist?
- except they make decisions that affect the entirety of lemmy, such as introducing Hexbear into the fediverse
  
  What's Hexbear?

This comment is pretty old. Do we really want to demonize anything anyone has said? I've probably said some ideological embarrassing things in the past.
Unless he's still pushing these talking points, I really don't see the point
- This comment is pretty old.
  It's from 2021, it's post pandemic for god's sake it's hardly ancient history.
  I've probably said some ideological embarrassing things in the past.
  Yeah but no one cares about the things you say because you're not a major software developer. If you were it would also be perfectly acceptable to have a go at you about some of your less desirable talking points.
  Unless he's still pushing these talking points
  Yeah but he is isn't he? That's the point he hasn't got any better he's still out there doing it.
- I considered that and removed the other threads. Though I think this one should be an exception (even if it's from reddit), mostly because it's almost a copypaste of Dessaline's github--Hell this comment may have been where that part of the github originated.
  For those unaware, Dessaline has quite the extensive github of tankie ideology and talking points, I've read through most of it and it's pretty fucking shit. Some of the "sources" are literally just random tweets. It's very akin to those anti-vax gish gallop diarrhoea spiels where they think memes are sources.
- 2y is really not that old and they have had a track record with those comments starting from over on reddit which resulted in a ban and them developing this website. The plans for this site came from being so out spoken about it. Your point would be valid if they hadn't said anything and showed to be actively correcting themselves for those last two years.
- Everything is in the past. That's when stuff happened.

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