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Anyone who speaks against Israel in this "fight": Cancelled. And it's gotten so you don't even need to say the magic word: "antisemite".
God forgive me, but maybe the "Jews rule the world" nuts weren't so wrong after all.
Banking, Hollywood, Ivy League schools, major journalists and news outlets, my own President, all of them pro-Israel no matter what.
Show me I'm wrong, stop me, take my beer away, come over to my house and punch me in the face, but get me off this conspiracy train. I don't know that I've ever seen the fruitcakes come so close to truth.
Maybe, just maybe it's an alignment of ideology and geopolitical interests across the ruling class rather than genetics.
Maybe Jews were pushed into usury, maybe they're over-represented in certain spaces like Ivy League schools because they're wealthier on average, which buys a better education and more opportunities, perpetuating that wealth and success.
Pretty much anything the Nazis blame on Jewish genetics can easily be boiled down to class intetests without the weird blood libel conspiracism and insistence everyone they don't like is a Jew.
Of course it's political! Of course it's not genetic! FFS, I'm not retarded.
How about "Israelites" are running shit in a shadowy conspiracy? That tastes almost as foul in my mouth. But I can sure see where the nuts are coming from.
And see where you're going with this? Anti-Nazi and racism talk. I'm neither a Nazi nor a racist, and you can check every post I've ever made, here or on reddit (/u/shalafi71). Every single one. Go back 11-years on reddit if you like.
But see how the conversation went that way when I started talking about Israel and Jews? And to be clear; I do NOT wish to conflate the two. But it's easy to see how many (most?) folks do?
Jews were pushed into usury, maybe they're over-represented in certain spaces like Ivy League schools because they're wealthier on average, which buys a better education and more opportunities, perpetuating that wealth and success
Any anyone joining this discussion, read that over and over again, because it's true and that's how it worked out. We decry this sort of thing, uh, usually, but it's OK because the Jews have been the underdogs for 2,000+ years? Maybe? I've always been a cheerleader for Jews and Israel. I really don't know what to think anymore.
To get back on point, here's what I'm seeing, when my eyeballs can get past the in-your-face genocide:
Got any sort of influence in the 1st world? Spoken against Israel lately? Still got a job? Yes, yes, no.
Anything in that last sentence strike anyone false?
Sorry but that's bullshit. There are plenty of people who speak out against Israel (for example in Germany, of all places) who still hold their job. So there. Your anti-semitic theory of Jews from Israel secretly shadow controlling all governemnts is refuted.
Btw, when your theory is correct how come the media doesn't cover the bombing of Israel by Gaza and Lebanon? Most people don't even know it's happening.
When your theory is true, how come that UN can be biased against Israel and no one is doing anything about it? The UN found that 40 % of all Human rights violations since 2006 (!) have supposedly taken place in Israel. With competitors like China, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan that raised quite a few eyebrows but no one has done anything about it.
Also, simply to bring in some statistics, there are 16.1 million Jews worldwide. And 9.37 million Israelis. No one cares for this tiny minority unless they are battling extinction again.
What is more likely is that A you wish there was an easy answer, like one side has to be the bad one.
And B you are falling hard for propaganda. Propaganda is one of the only weapons groups like Hamas have in their arsenal. And it's not just Hamas who have an interest in Israel being gone. Add every other Islamic state into that mix.
I don't know which news sides you use but use some fact checkers as well. They aren't perfect but here is a US based list: https://guides.lib.berkeley.edu/c.php?g=620677&p=4333407
Also, when you start doubting media, I found this quite important: https://stratcomcoe.org/
This is NATO analysis of strategies used by several organisations and countries.
https://stratcomcoe.org/publications/hybrid-threats-hamas-use-of-human-shields-in-gaza/87
Here you can find a PDF that explains how Hamas is using human shields and what media coverage has to do with their strategy in particular.
Also, simply to bring in some statistics, there are 16.1 million Jews worldwide. And 9.37 million Israelis. No one cares for this tiny minority unless they are battling extinction again.
Germans please stop projecting your guilt for attempting to colonize and exterminate your way across Asia onto the people resisting a colonizing force.
That's because you ignore everything that has happened in Palestine unless it's connected to Israel.
It has nothing to do with "Jews controlling the world" or other conspiracy theories. It's that when you are living in a "western" culture you are more aligned with the culture of Israel (women's rights, rights for LGBTQ people, at least the hope for democracy, protection of citizens instead of using them as propaganda tools, etc.).
That is why many western politicians and media rather reluctantly call out Israel on it's war crimes.
Imagine when what many seem to wish comes true and Israel is abolished. The whole area becomes Palestine. Then we will have another country where people suffer under a religious zealot leadership. No rights for women or LGBTQ, no schools that educate their children to become free thinkers, no democracy or working for a better future, etc.