Xiaomi won't give Android updates if you unlock your bootloader
Xiaomi just launched its new “HyperOS” skin for Android devices, but in a bit of a twist of the knife...
cross-posted from: https://lemdro.id/post/3017869 (!xiaomi@lemdro.id)
I mean, why would I ever unlock the bootloader if I'm going to keep the stock OS? People don't just unlock the bootloader and leave it there sitting doing nothing 😂
Well depends on why you're unlocking the bootloader. Some people just want root but not necessarily a custom ROM. Though for some phones a custom ROM may be more appealing than others.
i mean in this case, if you're planning to root you'd much rather use a custom OS that will still give you OS updates
or, just buy a different android and avoid the bs entirely
For rooting it, for example. That's always an option, even when your phone does not have a good alternative ROM
I have never met a person that just rooted their phone without slapping a custom ROM on it. The initial motive for rooting is normally to install a custom ROM, but that makes sense I guess
Edit: yup, I'm wrong about needing root to install a custom ROM. My apologies, my last rooted device was the galaxy note 3 back in 2013/2014. My memory is very rusty.
Magisk, Revanced using root to simply replace stock YouTube app without having to deal with MicroG, tuning kernel to achieve Moah powa babeh, better battery, etc.
Since you cannot unlock the bootloader without going into the OS now, I prefer to leave it unlocked but stock.
That way, if the device ever cannot boot, I can at least Adb pull my data off the device from fastboot.
I prefer to leave it unlocked
That's makes it much less secure and is a wide attack surface.
It's possible that rooting your phone impedes the ability for the Chinese spyware to work properly.
The only spyware you should be concerned about is that from your own country. That's the country that can actually do things against you with the information. What are you worried about "China" doing with your chats or metadata on which apps are open?
Overlooking the title, the real news to me in this article is the rapidly increasing difficulty of getting permission from that vendor to unlock your bootloader in the first place.
And why should you need permission to do this?
It's so weird that Google's phone has been the most accessible for unlocking your phone. Oneplus used to be good too, but then they became bad in that area too and now custom rom scene seems dead for newer Oneplus phones.
Yeah, I've been waiting since a week to unlock my bootloader. I still have to wait 4 more days to be able to unlock. Once it's done I'm going to Lineage OS.
Xiaomi phones have a good hardware to price ratio. I've got a headphone jack, dual SIM, and a dedicated memory card slot.
I got my Redmi Note 11 one and a half years ago. The waiting time for their shitty tool to unlock the bootloader after a week wasn't the biggest obstacle for me. What really pisses me off is that they violated their obligations to upload the kernel sources and therefore significantly delayed custom ROM development. While being a cheap and popular device, it hasn't received Lineage OS support and probably never will. That ship has sailed because Xiaomi just doesn't give a fuck about what their end of the deal is if they want to use a decent FOSS based OS on their phones instead of spending huge amounts of money and time to build their own ecosystem.
Many years back if I am not mistaken the bootloader came unlocked. That led to some resellers flashing their bloatware on to the phones.
And why should you need permission to do this?
Xiaomi historically had a problem with resellers installing malware in custom ROM on their phones, so they started putting up more and more obstacles to unlocking the bootloader over time, while still providing an avenue for legitimate customers to unlock.
I don't know what spurred the current action though.
It does seems that they just made it nearly impossible to unlock the phone for the Chinese version of their phone: You need to be 'level 5' in their shitty forum. And from what I gathered this involves posting hundred or thousand of messages with a lot of likes.
I don't think it will take long before they pull the same kind of bullshit for the global version of the phone unless there is a general outcry.
Whatever happened to Android being FOSS?
You're confusing Android and AOSP.
please tell me how Android is not FOSS anymore.
because I really don't understand this argument here.
Android is still FOSS. you can grab the source code, modify it and use it, if you really want.
even so, since Xiaomi provides you tools and codes to unlock the phone and install any other compatible system on it.
oh, no more updates then for MIUI? the heavily modified version of Android that Xiaomi is making and providing services for it? and then, the whole FOSSness is breaking for you if they say no more updates for their version if you open the loader? who would have thought.
why would you do that, in the first place? I guess to install other roms. so you probably don't like MIUI anyway.
or you want to modify MIUI? you know that 90% of hacks just don't fucking work with MIUI's framework, right? that it's breaking and shit. and then, if that happens, who would you call? well, not the ghostbusters but go to MIUI support snd blame them for your shitty modifications.
tell me, please, how Android is not FOSS anymore, I really wanna know what keeps you up at nights.
This is a lost for people wanting to use the Xiaomi version of Android. They are locked.
For people who buy these phones specially to unlock the bootloader and install a custom ROM, it doesn't change much.
as if they give updates to my one year old android. they never did.
No one should be using their Chinese spyware OS anyway.
The whole point of unlocking the bootloader on a Xiaomi phone is to replace the shit Xiaomi ROM with something better, at which point you don't care about updates for the Xiaomi one anymore.
Also considering the huge barriers they put to try and dissuade people from unlocking the bootloader on their phones - the "have the phone register itself in our system and then wait 168h (1 week) before you can unlock the bootloader" is especially entertaining - I don't think there are that many people out there unlocking the bootloader on their Xiaomi phone just for fun.
Don't people usually flash a custom rom when they unlock their bootloader? Somehow if you are still on the stock rom can't you just flash the update since you have already unlocked the bootloader?
Great. Had 2 Xiaomi phones now, as I love the hardware and ability to quite easily unlock in order to install Xiaomi.eu and Magisk. If this is no longer possible, my next phone won't be Xiaomi.
This only applies if you stay on stock rom. Xiaomi.eu will update normally as it is a custom rom (despite being officially endorsed by Xiaomi).
Let's hope. I've lived my OnePlus3 (specially with GCam), but they became more expensive. I go for the flagship every 3 years, so I need a great phone, unlockable and hit costing so much.
I did exactly the same thing in 2018 with my MiMix 2 & still love using it. Maybe a OnePlus, Pixel or Motorola would be my next one? I can't think of any others that you can still easily unlock.
At least it seems like you can still do a backup, re-lock the bootloader, apply for an upgrade, then unlock the bootloader again and restore the backup - right?
Just sideload the ota, no need to go through so much trouble.
Maybe they will also make the waiting period more painful... That sucks.
??? wouldn't you install a custom ROM?
Well, that's fine I don't use MIUI at all 🤷♂️
