Abortion rights triumph as conservatives ‘reap what they Roe’

Half of them have rhetoric involving how bad getting the vote, equal rights, and ability to initiate divorce have been for women and society in general.

Guess what they are really after..

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New York Post and Variety still practice the old ways.

Nope. They want to go for a national abortion ban now. For them, states rights only matter when it pertains to marginalizing people and infringing on freedoms.

Much like their feelings on capitalism, states' rights only matter if it helps them somehow.

Saved a few spaces betweenwords too, I see..

These abortion votes aren’t impacting the down ballot races like they should.

Yes they are. Nationwide, Democrats have been outperforming polls by 9+ points since RvW was overturned. The #GOP lost 13 out of 15 special elections that were held between General Elections & they just lost Virginia completely. Youngkin has an expiration date.

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how you frame the candidates. In my state, the court races were talked about as preserving abortion rights and dems dominated.

I dunno. Seemed to work pretty well for 50 some odd years before Trump stacked the SC with his acolytes.

I disagree. Privacy is one of the innumerable rights described at the end of the document, it's implied not only by the presence of the other specific rights but by society itself. Civilization, morals, even entire cultures (!) existed before the constitution. Personal rights; privacy, bodily autonomy and property were all established before the Enlightenment laid the framework for the American and French revolutions,

[Aside]...ultimately sunsetting the divine right to rule held up by monarchs - which is why it took revolutions - power rarely, and I mean RARELY, steps down voluntarily (I can think of 2 leaders. George Washington and Cincinnatus, that's it). It then Napoleon to settle once and for all, that the only thing divine in their rule is that the people haven't overthrown them yet, which ultimately Big little N had to be reminded of himself! The remaining monarchs are figureheads with democratic parliaments doing the actual governing.

Phew. Anyways

Roe established that doctors should make the medical decisions, that what's discussed between doctor and patient is of no one else's concern and other people need to mind their own fucking business, full fucking stop.

That's rock fucking solid ground, yr high to think otherwise.

I'm fully aware of the subtitles and context that are and were wrapped up in the decision. I know it was sold to the laymen in the press that it's about saving women's lives (from bleeding out in back alley abortions), and that opinion is still true to this day, but it isn't the reason that allowed Roe.

Privacy 100% is solid ground. Funnily enough, in classic conservative colonial thought doublespeak, Alito and his American hating "Originalism" klan whined about protesting outside their houses, while going on about how, because it's not said SPECIFICALLY in the bill of rights there's is no right to privacy. But THEY do. Just not us.

Motherfuckers get killed over twenty fucking dollars on the streets everyday and these bitches wanna come this duplicitous? They're nothing but bad faith. No rational person should respect the law at this point, and I'd argue no one does. Those without means FEAR the law, but respect?! GTFO. Those with means? They'll do w/e the fuck they want. The rules are to keep YOU in line, not for them, sucker.

I don't want, or need Mitchell the plumber, my guy down the street, to pipe in on dietary decisions I'm entertaining due to specific genetic lottery "winnings". Focus on your pipes Mitch, not mine.

We acknowledged, as a society, the need for specialization in trades long ago. Being a blacksmith doesn't make you jeweller just bc you both swing, albeit very different, hammers. Technically Pianists are just swinging hammers too, ya see the point I'm getting at?

No fucking HOA Vice President, military wife, Sunday school teacher and community barber, Karen Antagonist's opinion is NOT valid just because she has one. Her opinion should begin and end with whether she chooses that for herself and then, she needs to shut the fuck up. No one cares about your personal 'why's'. It's personal, leave it that way. The topic is above their pay grade and you know fucking what? There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Let the professionals do the professionalling, for fucks sake. It allows you to do the you thing that makes you, you, you know (😎). Do that instead.

Roe wasn’t specific enough to provide a good guidance to the lower courts. At what point do abortion restrictions become unreasonable? That was left up to the lower courts to decide on a case-by-case basis. Which basically meant that conservatives started throwing shit at the wall, to see what would stick. Because there wasn’t any hard “do not cross” line, they were able to slowly erode rights by pushing the boundary further and further.

They just had to toe the line, and see if judges would slap them. If the judge didn’t fuss about them stepping a foot over, they’d scoot the line a little further and try again. And democrats were happy to let them, in the name of compromise. But now that Roe is repealed, Dems have been forced to actually take action and draw hard lines.

The issue is that lots of people in conservative (or just heavily gerrymandered) areas will suffer. Texas, for instance, is purple when you look at the actual population numbers. But liberal voters in the cities are overwhelmed by the conservative voters in the boonies.

Only if you buy the SCOTUS argument that a right has to be explicitly mentioned for us to have it. It's an argument that goes completely against the 9th Amendment, which says explicit rights don't mean we don't have other rights too.

I would disagree. It's pretty clear it should be covered under the 9th amendment. The right to an abortion has been a right held by the people for many centuries. It only became an issue in the 50s when the new field of obstetrics created doctors who wanted to take the jobs that women, as midwives, used to posses. They used abortion to demonize them, and then took over their work.

Now, I don't know why the 9th amendment wasn't used in arguments, but it's clearly the one that should be pointed to. It's probably one of the most important amendments, and it's known by too few people.

Technically Roe was a shakey foundation. It really reached to make abortion covered by the bill of rights. Best thing was to rip the bandaid off and get people pissed. Hopefully it leads to federal law adoption or better yet a new Amendment.

5 years, tops before US Republicans claim this was their goal the whole time to take "credit" for what has happened.