An update on our community regarding downvotes
An update on our community regarding downvotes
Several people in the community have expressed frustration in regards to the fact that any post that fits the community it's posted to but is slightly out of the normal post type like, for example, being more hardcore rather than softcore, get's a lot of downvotes by people who simply don't like that particular post.
We have also had complaints that particular types of posts as a whole get more downvotes even if they are in the appropriate community and are the normal type of post for a community. This especially appears to be happening to male content.
Additionally we are seeing posts with more downvotes than a community has subscribers, meaning people are downvoting content they don't even want to see in the first place.
We understand some may not like some content of a particular post or community, but downvoting posts discourages these posters who are actually passionate/interested in the topic of the community from posting again. Additionally, when posts are downvoted like that it can bury them in our instance and especially in other instances, preventing them from being viewed by others almost at all.
After some discussion amongst the moderators and admins,because of the reasons above, we've decided to disable downvotes at least for the time being.
What do I do if I dislike a post?
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We recommend those who would normally downvote a post they don't like just, instead, block the user who created the post, or, if the community is a topic you dislike, block the community. That way, you no longer see those posts, but don't effect those posts' visibility to other members of the community and instance.
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Additionally, you can view your "Subscribed" feed instead of "Local" so that you only see posts from the communities you are subscribed to.
What do I do if a post doesn't fit the community it's posted in or is spam?
- Please report the post, either the mods of the community or an instance admin will remove the post if necessary, as soon as possible. We have admins and mods online almost around the clock, so these types of posts should be removed quickly.
Potential future post filtering on lemmy:
- In the future it appears that lemmy may implement a tagging system similar to flairs on reddit. This request has piqued the interest of the lemmy devs, so keep an eye out sometime in the (maybe not so near) future for the implementation of that feature.
As @yay@lemmynsfw.com has said in the comments:
Downvotes should be used for posts you don’t like in your area of interest, and not for niche communities you don’t like.
When the RFC mentioned in the post is developed, we will be able to have a more refined home page, this way we can enable downvotes.
But for now, please block users/communities as it supposed to be.
Please put any comments questions and concerns in the comments below, we are of course always open to community thoughts and feedback, and want to work with you to keep this instance an enjoyable and entertaining place to post and browse.
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This is a great decision and I applaud the admins for listening to feedback.
Nothing worse than having your posts down voted especially by people who are submitting no posts of their own.
I don't like your content. It is useles as nsfw on a nsfw server, cause it's is not a nsfw, just some boring celebrities default photos promoting for them not to become forgoten. Do you think I'll begin to think that your content is in the right place (server) just because you take voting down off? Shit in a wrong place is shit in a wrong place. Concurency of ideas, opinions, random content has to be free and it has to have all means of expressing those opinions and having a way to know opinions of others is esential tool.
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I agree with you. Ignoring or silently downvoting would be much better than commenting, when you have nothing encouraging or constructive to add. ;)
If people like you who downvote what they dislike lost their privilege to downvote, like was the case in slashdot, then I would agree.
Slashdot voting system
https://beehaw.org/comment/208569
this was something I loved about slashdot moderation. When voting, people had to specify the reason for the vote. +1 funny, +1 insightful, +1 informative, -1 troll, -1 misleading, etc.
That way you can, for example, set in your user preferences to ignore positive votes for comedy, and put extra value on informative votes.
Then, to keep people from spamming up/down votes and to encourage them to think about their choices, they only gave out a limited number of moderation points to readers. So you’d have to choose which comments to spend your 5 points on.
Then finally, they had ‘meta moderation’ where you’d be shown a comment, and asked “would a vote of insightful be appropriate for this comment” to catch people who down-voted out of disagreement or personal vendetta. Any users who regularly mis-voted would stop receiving the ability to vote.
I don’t think this is directly applicable to a federated system, but I do think it’s one of the best-thought-out voting systems ever created for a discussion board.
edit: a couple other points i liked about it:
Comments were capped at (iirc) +5 and -1. Further votes wouldn’t change the comment’s score.
User karma wasn’t shown. The user page would just say Karma: good. Or Excellent, or poor, or some other vague term.
Oh, but I don't downvote that I don't like. I usualy down vote only the misinformation and propaganda. And we don't have such content on nsfw by definition. I just don't like someone bossing around with taking out functionality and an option of freely expressing your opinion and taking away concurency of opinions in a vote system.
Thanks for the informative additional explanations.
At least I'm posting content on here. And contributing to building a community here.
What I'm not doing is spending 5 months downvoting everybody's posts (and making 0 of my own) then making my first comment to complain about not being able to do that anymore.
And if you don't like the content I post then you can block it.
And I support your ability to post here or anywhere, I encourage you to create the content no matter the opinions. If you see it to your liking or have a need (like in doing media compains) go for it. I just don't like crippling of vote system.
P.S. and how the hell are you taking out of your ass the idea that I spent my time downvoting anything here. Lol :) Hey someone with a serveradmin power here, show him my votes stats – I don't believe any if several downvotes where ever casted here (on nsfw server) by me, mostly only upvotes. Calm him down, I've mentioned his content only because he started to try atack personaly (blagh blagh you are downvoter, blagh blagh what ever have you given, etc..). I don't realy care what he posts even if it's not nsfw. :)
Thank you!
But there are people who do like them. Just block the community and you won't see them anymore.
I've expressed my opinion about that his content is not enought nsfw to be be here (on lemmynsfw), but I don't see a problem in him or his content beeing here. And I don't see a point in blocking him or even voting his content down. I just want my tool to be able to express my opinion more silently if his content will begin to get in a way too much, e.g. downvoting some repeating post if becoming too spammy on a main flow of local posts. Sometimes down voting someone on particular anoying post silently is much much better then telling what you think laudly and in details or blocking poster, community or yourself out. I vote for self regulation in comunities.