measuring rule
measuring rule
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This is actually a super fascinating example of the way data can be displayed in a technically correct way to lead the viewer to completely invalid conclusions.
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It’s even more fascinating how everyone is seriously debating over this meme
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Fever is not 100F. A fever is defined as 100.4F. Why 100.4 when 100 is a much easier to remember and handle number? Because fever is defined in humans as 38C, and that converts to 100.4F.
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It's been a while but I think they tried to establish 100F as the average human body temperature. But after they established that baseline turns out they were off by 1.4 degrees and couldn't change it.
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°F and °C, unless you're speaking of Coulomb and Farad.
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“Inches in 8.33 feet”
“Mm in a foot”
Fool, the scientist in me is infuriated. Good work, mate!
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This is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen. Good job.
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Saturday Night Live actually had a good sketch about this a few weeks ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYqfVE-fykk
Washington: "We fight for a nation where we choose our own laws... choose our own leaders... and choose our own systems of weights and measures.
I dream that one day, our proud nation will measure weights in pounds, and that 2000 pounds shall be called a ton."
Rebel: "And what will 1000 pounds be called sir?"
Washington: "Nothing. Cause will have no word for that."
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Washington: "Distance will be measured in inches, feet, yards and miles. 12 inches to a foot!"
Rebel: "12 feet to a yard..."
Washington: "If only it were so simple. 3 feet to a yard."
Rebel: "And how many yards to a mile?"
Washington: "Nobody knows."
Rebel: "Ok, how many feet to a mile?"
Washington: "5280, of course! It's a simple number that everyone will remember."
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wait 100 F is only 38 degrees?
Wow that's funny. I've seen so many people complain about extreme heat below 100 F.
I get that what you're not used to is difficult but like 38 degrees is a relatively ordinary (now) summer day for me.
From how people spoke about it I thought 100 F was more lile 45
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I think that if the air is moist enough 38 degrees will overheat the body and kill it. Because the human body sweats to lose heat.
So some regions on earth are probably less pleasant when the temperature rises. While other regions are more tolarable for humans.
So there might be a reason why some people complain that they suffer from the heat. There could also be other reasons like their living conditions. A lack of ac and water, or living in a urban heat hell.
Lets not trivialize experiences of people who suffer.
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Fun fact. -40 degrees is the same in both C and F, and is also called "January" where I live.
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I live in a place that has -40°C winters and +40°C summers now 👍
God I sure do love global warming
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Montana, here.
Nothing quite like when it hits -45°F and you have to start closing off rooms and stuffing blankets into registers and doorway cracks.
Any kind of outdoor airflow can burn so bad that skin necrosis can begin in just 5 minutes.
Summer in Arizona is shitty. Winter in the Northern Rockies will straight up murder you.
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Ah yes the obligatory smug comment whenever anyone brings up temperature even tangentially.
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Oh relax, it's just funny. You're welcome to have a giggle when I bitch about it being 18 and you're like 18? that's 64! I only heat my sauna to 66!
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100F in Houston is a completely different beast than 100F in San Diego. Shade will actually help you San Diego. Nothing will help you in Houston.
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It really depends on humidity. Humid heat is typically worse and can be really draining both mentally and physically. Dry heat is much more tolerable for humans. As a person who's experienced both I can concur, the 100F humid heat was borderline horrific.
38C/100F is probably fine (relatively) in Arizona but in Florida it'll be pretty terrible. Like when I was in the south for a week it was 98F and the walls were sweating.
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fuck BOTH these date formats.
ISO-8601 OR DIE.
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Good morning on this beautiful day, 2023-W47‐2T10:26
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2023‐325T21:11+00:00
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it's extra handy because it taught me how to better visualize the chronological position of minecraft snapshots! 2023w47 has kinda sucked, from what i hear second-hand, due to some accidental features people were excited about being removed as "bugs".
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meh, I prefer RFC 3339
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In case people need a nudge to convert:
https://ijmacd.github.io/rfc3339-iso8601/ -
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sweden approves
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When used in casual speech, you drop the year most of the time, so the month comes before the day. just like Americans would say. Don't tell the people that hate how Americans do things, though.
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so the month comes before the day. just like Americans would say
Sez you. 1st of January. 14th of February. 25th of December. This is the way and the truth and the light.
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USA's measurment system dosn't make any senses.
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Shut up. If you don't know how many buckets there are to a hogshead, that's not our fault.
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Smartest statesian
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That's medieval units for you. At least they use the same units in the whole country, which is progress compared to how it used to be in the rest of the medieval world. They just didn't take the last step to modernity.
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Winner, right here.
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It's not even our system. We adopted the system of our oppressors that kept it long after they abandoned it.
Imperial is not American, some might call it unAmerican
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Yeo but you decided to kept it
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1776-07-04
Sorting algos all agree.
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I hate how wrong, yet accurate that is.
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amerikanarane
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Lolz. It's funny because it's so stupid.
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Tbh I don't really get why people get upset about mm/dd/yyyy vs dd/mm/yyyy. Is it a little weird? Sure, but personally, saying "July 4th, 1776" feels as natural as "the 4th of July, 1776". The former is more formal, the latter is more casual.
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One word: Ambiguity. We need to either have a standard and stick to it, or a small handful of standards that cannot be confused for each other. DD/MM/YYYY and MM/DD/YYYY can be confused for each other, so the nonsensical MM/DD/YYYY should move over and make room for DD/MM/YYYY, or we should drop both and just use YYYY-MM-DD.
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The best date format is ISO 8601 anyways.
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ISO 8601. 1776-07-04. Everyone else is a heathen.
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but personally, saying
I don't understand why it matters how you say the date vs. how it's written with slashes.
If someone asks you the time, and you look at your watch and it says 11:45, you could just answer "eleven forty five", but depending on the context you might just say "It's noon" or "It's almost noon" or "It's a quarter to noon". 11:45 is how you get the information into your brain. How you process that information and how you pass it on depends on the context.
The best date format is clearly ISO-8601, YYYY-MM-DD. In that format, US independence day is 1776-07-04. But, you don't need to say it as "seventeen seventy six, seventh month, fourth day". You can say "July 4th, 1776" or "The 4th of July, 1776".
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Because they're teenagers. In the real world nobody actually gives a fuck. Call me weird, but the different formats have never caused me a single instant of confusion in my entire life.
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As a developer, this has been an annoying and oftentimes confusing source of additional work for me.
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As an American immigrant in Germany, I encounter it somewhat regularly and it still doesn’t matter.
It was a bit of a problem when they thought I forged my covid vaccination card, because I got a shot on January tenth or something. I would then explain that I’m American and we do that. 80% of the time, they had no more questions, 20% of the time I’d show my drivers license birthday for proof (luckily I was born after the 12th).
The things that are actually problematic are the unknown tools used for my dental work (my implant screw is going to need to get a custom screwdriver made for it), and understanding temperature at an intuitive level. I understand the common weather numbers, but do I want coffee that’s 55 degrees or 70 degrees? No idea until I convert. Luckily, it’s the easiest conversion to do.
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Yup. I use ISO 8601 for any record keeping, but much like how I don't bother with good spelling and grammer it doesn't matter in comments on the internet
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I don't really care which way it goes, it just gets confusing if both month and date are 12 or lower and the format wasn't specified ahead of time
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Yeah. Had issues getting ID when I first came to US. They mixed up my date of birth, and I needed to go get it corrected. I didn't even notice it until I almost missed a flight trying to use that ID, which didn't match with their system. Fortunately I also had my passport with me.
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Because when usually dates formatted on number follow a descending or ascending order. Year -> Month -> Day or Day -> Month -> Year.
mm/dd/yyyy is:
-- Month <- Day | Year <-
It's not only strange but is also not easy to parse and can be confused with dd/mm/yyyy
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Different languages. In German you never say "Juli der 4." it's always "der 4. Juli". (I am sure someone will proof me wrong by digging up some weird old text, but it's still never used in day to day conversation)
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So when you need to guess what 10-04-2024 means, it matters a lot
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I think the two points missing from most debates are
- The imperial system does a damn good job at measuring things the way a human would. A foot is roughly the length of a big foot. A single degree farenheit is just big enough that you could guesstimate it with enough practice. If the temperatures are negative, you dump sand on the roads instead of salt.
- It's like seven units of measurement in a trenchant. You never have to convert gallons to cubic miles. You never have to convert from dots to angstoms, and nobody has ever had to convert the surveyors mile to the nautical mile. It feels schizophrenic because claiming it's one singular system is like saying Italian, French, and Portuguese languages are all regional dialects of Europeanese.
My point isn't "it's not a bug, it's a feature", I'm saying for the average non-scientist there may be a logical reason why we like it so much
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Yeah. You're used to it
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No no. The rest of the world is constantly out of sorts on what common measurements are. It's like how monolingual non-English-speaking people are constantly aware they're not speaking the natural language of English.
/s
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Another fucking imperial versus metric meme, never seen this before. Most of us use metric already, shut the fuck up
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I switched to metric for all my personal projects right around the time I started doing any sort of project that had a form of measuring. Metric is better full stop
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As an American I approve this comment.
I've been into 3D printing for a few years and it has forced me into metric. Now my brain works in millimeters and it's way better
Our countries insistence on using imperial is evidence of our resistance to change. Even the creators of the system have abandoned it
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The temperature measurement is true though. F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.
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Kind of, but not really. 0F doesn’t mean anything special in relation to human interaction, it relates to the freezing point of some random salt and water mixture (not seawater). 32 is a random number for the freezing point of freshwater which humans do care about, and 212 is nonsense for boiling temp of water which humans also care about and routinely use. The only part pertinent is that 100 is close to, but higher than human body temperature, but not quite where it counts as a fever… just the temperature of a sub-feverish human… how is that helpful! Sorry I really don’t care for the Fahrenheit system and I’m prepared to die on this hill
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0 F is really cold to a human (but still livable), and 100 F is really hot to a human (but still livable). I honestly don't really care what temperature water boils at in my every day life. I know that if I put fire under a pot of water, it will boil eventually. Why would I need to know the exact temperature?
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32 is a random number for the freezing point of freshwater which humans do care about, and 212 is nonsense for boiling temp of water which humans also care about and routinely use.
Humans care about the fact that water boils or freezes. Not the temperature at which it happens
Sorry I really don’t care for the Fahrenheit system and I’m prepared to die on this hill
I'm prepared to die on the Farenheit system is better for describing environmental temperature hill
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F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.
Only because you grew up with it.
I have only had the temperature described to me in celcius so Fahrenhite makes no sense to me.
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I have only had the temperature described to me in celcius so Fahrenhite makes no sense to me.
What doesn't make sense to you. You can think of F as a percentage of how hot it is. 0 is 0% hot, meaning cold as fuck. 100 is 100% hot, hot as fuck. Things in the middle are are in the middle. 85 is 85% hot.
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The fever temperature, maybe. But the rest makes more sense in C. It's so much easier when 0C is freezing and 100C is boiling. It works with cooking. Counting in increments of 5 or 10 also works for weather.
<0C = below freezing
0-10C = cold
10-20C = cool (sweater or hoodie)
20-30C = t-shirt weather
30C and above = hot
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You forgot to consider that people interact with ovens and freezers
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Explain how interacting with ovens and freezers requires knowledge of the specific temperature at which water freezes or boils at standard conditions
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Same with feet and inches for distance.
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Rubbish. The rest of the world understands temperatures in Celsius perfectly well. You're confusing familiarity with superiority
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Mother tell the children not to check the temps. Tell the children not to read my books what they mean what they say.
Sorry i read Danzig so I though of the band
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Glenn was named after Gdansk, not the other way round 🤘
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WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER 😡😡😡😡
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Communists.
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Americans saying that F° is a more human and relatable temperature measurement, how many times have you been to Dantzig in the 18th century again? Do you even know where Dantzig is? Because i've seen water freezing quite a few times before.
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I thought 0F was the freezing point of brine.
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Nope, it's -6°F, or -21,1°C.
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Hard agree with metric for the most part. I forever stand by Fahrenheit for temperatures you experience, and Celsius for science. I don't want to have to use decimals in my everyday life, but that's just me
And really, K is the ideal temperature unit for scientific purposes, since there's actually a hard starting point, rather than picking an arbitrary state change at an arbitrary pressure of a kind of arbitrary compound.
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The measurement for temperatures you experience really does not matter outside of what you're used to, do you think non-Americans get confused about how cold 6°C or 23°C is?
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Temperature scale doesn't matter in daily life, so I hate that there's always this argument about which scale makes more sense. Knowing what a given temperature feels like is no more difficult than remembering that water freezes at 32 degrees fahrenheit and boils at 212.
I'm all for a system based around multiples of 10, but for temperature, even Celsius isn't done that way, other than 0 and 100.
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Americans always say they prever Fahrenheit over Celsius because the measurment is more exact. Also Americans: "The weather is in the fifties today.“
They just like to find excuses why they prefer the things that they are used to. It's human nature.
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Celcius. Water freezes at 0 and boils at 100
Pretty good frame of reference
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It gets way easier for "feel" of weather too! In most habitable places in the world, 0°C is around as cold as you'll regularly see (also a handy number for when you need to watch for ice). Similarly, 40°C is around as high as most habitable places get, also a nice easy number to work with.
In fahrenheit, these numbers are 30 and 105, I mean I can get rounding down for ease of use but you're moving the reference points a lot to make it 25 to 100 for what you usually see and that's certainly not more intuitive than 0-40
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Especially considering we are water
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1776-07-04 gang
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Logic of America
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Like most things we have it's not even ours.
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I'll grant that farenheit has merit, but for me, the foot/inches distance works a bit better for casual measurements, and stuff that doesn't have to be very precise.
Beyond maybe someone's height, I'd rather work in metric. I'm also very much in favor of celsius and I still have trouble converting between the temperature scales. I grew up with temps in degrees C, and height and some sort distances in feet/inches. IDK, I'm weird.
The date thing drives me nuts though.
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I've adopted year month day as the superior sorting method
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I hate it
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Beer was the only drink you could get in prole pubs. The proles were supposed not to drink gin, though in practice they could get hold of it easily enough. The game of darts was in full swing again, and the knot of men at the bar had begun talking about lottery tickets. Winston's presence was forgotten for a moment. There was a deal table under the window where he and the old man could talk without fear of being overheard. It was horribly dangerous, but at any rate there was no telescreen in the room, a point he had made sure of as soon as he came in.
"E could 'a drawed me off a pint,' grumbled the old man as he settled down behind a glass. 'A 'alf litre ain't enough. It don't satisfy. And a 'ole litre's too much. It starts my bladder running. Let alone the price.'
'You must have seen great changes since you were a young man,' said Winston tentatively.
The old man's pale blue eyes moved from the darts board to the bar, and from the bar to the door of the Gents, as though it were in the bar-room that he expected the changes to have occurred.
'The beer was better,' he said finally. 'And cheaper! When I was a young man, mild beer -- wallop we used to call it -- was fourpence a pint. That was before the war, of course.'
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this is bait. picking arbitrary points of comparison where one looks clean and the other sloppy. who cares about 8.3 feet or Danzig?
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Check the community, mate.
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yes it's 196 where people post random shit and it's blohaj zone so we're all gay. still bait 🪤
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Wooooooosh
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Idk, 0 being the melting point and 100 the boiling point of water just seems to make much more sense to me than whatever the hell the Fahrenheit scale is doing
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Mostly joking, but Farenheit is % hot outside.
0°F is 0% hot. Jacket, pants, boots, scarf, etc.
30°F is 30% hot. Shorts, but with boots & an unzipped jacket.
60°F is 60% hot. Shorts, short sleeves, & sandals.
80°F is 80% hot. AC recommended.
100°F is 100% hot. AC or you'll melt.
120°F is Phoenix, Arizona, a city which should not exist and a temperature which should not exist.
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0 and 100 only at sea level.
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If the USA wants a system of measurement based entirely on water for temperature and mass, and distance as one millionth of the distance from the equator to the pole, then I'm sure they'll call.
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How many meters are in 13.2 km? 13,200
How many feet are in 13.2 mi?
Break out a calculatorWhy is my country so arrogant that they will argue for an objectively worse measurement system?
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