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What items are made better than they used to be?

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airplanes, microchips, vaccines, lenses, lasers, windmils, solar cells, ... the list is endless !
- Cars… old cars were indestructible death traps. Crumple zones kill the car and save the human
  
  Not even indestructible, just big heavy destructible death traps!
  There's a video floating around of a midsized sedan from the 60s and the 00s in a frontal offset crash and the old car is absolutely demolished.
- that's the kind of positivity I wanted. it is cool how much laser tech has improved in the past few decades

Batteries?
- Beat me to it. Great minds, all that. :)
  
  I've noticed the trend but if you know the fine details please feel free to share.

When you hear people saying that technology has stagnated, that person clearly isn't following advancements in medicine. The medical tech I see now just blow me away.
- I've heard of lab-grown flesh cloned from a burn victim's own flesh replacing the need for an invasive skin graft retrieval, and a gold nanoparticle mixture placed into an old spinal cord injury to cause microscopic damage and force the body to resume healing the severed nerves. Those are the big two I like to talk about. I'm optimistic about things like whole working artificial organs in the next 50 years
- It's not about tech stagnating, but about it not lasting. They say "they don't make it like they used to" for a reason.
  
  That's just an entirely separate matter. Definitely truth to planned obsolescence in some cases and lower quality materials used in many products.
  But I have heard many people say technology in general has stagnated. Consumer tech keeps getting more powerful largely without major perceivable changes, and looking at developments in key fields is where we can most notably see developments.
- The advancements in gene editing, vaccines, and biologics is mind boggling. We're looking at curing diseases that we couldn't have cured until recently.
  
  *the rich are looking at curing diseases. The rest of us will just die because we can’t afford a 7-figure price tag and the insurance companies just laugh at us until we croak.
- Unless is Bio-rad. All my homies hate Bio-rad.

Computer hardware overall i more dependable then it used to be IMO. So is windows itself.
- I've never really had an internal PC parts die on me, old or new, except HDDs I guess, but their MTBF is listed when you purchase, so that feels a bit different.
  Did you guys have more parts dying?
  
  I've had acouple video cards fail and a power supply fail. In all cases I was asking to much from them.

Devices with touchscreens
Except in cars, for some reason
- Physical buttons are a must in vehicles for me. I want to be able to operate things with muscle memory so I don't have to avert my eyes from the road.
- Cars are just brutal on electronics hardware, from vibration to heat and cold changes, to sudden bumps and direct sunlight.
  That said, they could definitely improve the software that it uses to avoid it responding slowly by not including things like unnecessary transitions or trying to have it do everything and a ham sandwich. Most of the problems with the software remind me of shitty printer drivers with extraneous bloat and lack of optimization.
  
  Car interface design seems like its gone backwards. I'd much prefer a tactile button I can feel and push without looking than having to mess with a touch screen.
- The fucking low fps on navigation maps, the laggy response on touch input, goddamn
- The worst thing is even in more expensive cars, like a BMW the interfaces or touch screens feel like operating a touch face from the early 2000. The turning button navigator in BMW felt like a joke to me first time I drove one. Would rather avoid such displays and connect my phone for navigation than use this

Engines. 300hp out of 2L is impressive. It scales even better. V8’s can put out insane numbers.
- For real, internal combustion engines are made way better than they used to be. Both in terms of reliability and power output.
  You can get a small, ICE only (non-hybrid) car that gets 40+ MPG. You can buy a new car with a warranty that makes over 800 horsepower.
  The IC engine is at its peak. Electric is the future, but the current crop of ICE are incredible machines.
- Not to mention the reliability is better now. Basic maintenance will get you over 100k easy with no major concerns
- Ha ha laughing in 1.6 litre WRC cars kicking out 500PS 😂
  
  No one is driving those past 100k miles with 10k maintenance intervals though.
  
  The ICE is "only" outputting ~380hp, the rest is from the electric boost.

Sports equipment has benefited greatly from advances in material science.
I've been snowboarding since they weren't allowed on the hills and a few years ago was finally able to buy a full new setup.
There isn't a single component of my gear that isn't a radical improvement over the prior setup from 10 years earlier.
Thermal form boots, fancy new strong and flexible plastics in the bindings, and who knows all the wizardry in the board itself.
It is all so comfortable and performs so much better I can't imagine going out with my old gear.
I have to believe this is true across the board in football and hockey protection etc.
- The first time I got to go to the slopes as a kid, I chose snowboarding (we were renting equipment). And I learned that it was rather recent that snowboards were fully-allowed to be used on their resort. Something about requiring the board to have a metal edge, if you brought your own? I don't fully remember. I was too young to realize that snowboarding was not allowed on many ski slopes, or that the divide was ever a thing
  Then Johnny Tsunami came out and it blew my mind a little that it really must have been a whole thing. I kinda came in, just as snowboarding was more universally accepted, like early 90's.
  No point to my story, I just always think about my first "ski" trip, anytime I'm reminded that snowboarding used to be banned
  
  The metals edges were one main element, as you could buy cheap plastic boards without them and "ride in control" is a major mantra on ski hills.
  There was also a big social "not on my hill" snob element, with snowboarders seen as bringing a "bad attitude" to the gentlemanly sport of skiing.
  I skied for almost 10 years before snowboards hit the scene, so I saw both sides of it, and as an instructor in the early 90s made a big point of asking snowboarders "please at follow the saftey rules, don't give them an excuse to kick us out".
  Having my lift ticket ripped and getting kicked out over building a one foot little jump on the same hill that has 20 foot gap jumps, hand rails, and a halfpipe today always makes me laugh.

Pocket computers
Aka cell phones
- My phone's hardware is more stacked than my PC at this point and that blows me away

Houses. Mainly talking about asbestos and lead.
- Unfortunately we've also mastered the art of putting a nice facade on shitty, shitty bones
- It's nice they've taken the asbestos and the lead out, but older houses used to be built of brick and stone, now they're built of straw and sticks.

A lot of beauty products. Nail polish, makeup, hair dryers, hairbrushes, you name it. Some terrible (and even ozone-destroying) chemicals have been removed, and with the proliferation of online reviews and images you can pick something that won't burn your eyes and will actually work.
- I miss radium

Cars. Some people like to talk about how sturdy cars used to be, but with all of the advancements in safety, if I were in a head-on collision between an old Plymouth and a Toyota Prius, I'd much rather be in the Prius.

Kids toys.
Back in my day, toys over promised and under delivered, especially if it had any kind of electronics. Everything required extra imagination back then, sometimes stretching it to a point of disillusion.
- Not to mention the poisons
- Having to use your imagination while playing is a plus on my book.
  
  Yeah nothing wrong with imagination. Just sucked when a toy promised more than what it delivered.
  Like we totally had fun with action figures that had no articulation, and we used our imaginations to make believe.
  But then you'd get an RC car and the only steering you get is in reverse, in one direction.

I'm going to say "Motorcycles". (At least bikes in the US.)
20 years ago, a lot of bikes still had carburetors with manual choke. Many of them had no pollution controls at all. ABS was basically science fiction. A significant portion of them were air cooled. (To be clear, there are still some air cooled bikes on the market.)
Now it's rare to find carbs on street legal bikes, even the 125cc Grom has fuel injection. And basically any bike has at least a catalytic converter. There are bikes with variable valve timing. There are bikes made by Harley-Davidson (The company always the butt of "muh primitive motorcycle" jokes) that have water cooled engines with variable valve timing that make as much noise, and vibration, as the average Toyota. Most bikes have ABS on them now, and there are plenty with traction control and stability control. They're safer now than they used to be. I recently sold a couple of bikes and bought one nicer bike, and it's uncanny how smooth, quiet, and stable it is.

This thread is helping me realize what a curmugeon I am. Everybody's like "such-and-such is so much better that it was" and I'm coming up with so many reasons why all of them suck way worse.
(Maybe that says more about me than about the state of the world.)
- /c/notliketheothergirls
- What has you grumping old curmudgeon lol? I can see both sides personally. Things are lesser in many ways, but also better. Electronics are way improved from a reliability and size perspective, but they are becoming closed off and made without repairability in mind. Cars are way more efficient, powerful, and reliable, but they are also affected by a lack of thought to repairability, and sometimes use a poor choice of plastic over metal.
  
  Just to your specific examples...
  Most of your electronics sell your personal data to a myriad of third parties. They mostly prevent you from replacing the whole OS or turning off anti-features. All in a way they didn't at one time. And of course there's the repairability issue. (I just discovered about a week ago that my phone with a non-replaceable battery is bulging. sigh)
  We live in a world where our vacuum cleaners go down when some AWS service nobody has ever heard of has an outage and our robot vacuum puctures take pictures of us on the toilet that eventually get leaked to the internet.
  Your car too. I bought a car recently. The car I had before was a low-end 2005 model. This one's a 2021 Subaru. The backup camera is kinda nice I admit. But it's got StarLink and a mic in the cabin. And the privacy policy basically says "we can record you and use the recordings for whatever we want." I have half a mind to see if I can't disconnect the microphone one day. And despite being impossible to disconnect from the internet at any time, the clock hasn't updated for the daylight savings time change yet. (Having that happen automatically seems like about the simplest possible convenience.) And SiriusXM is spamming my mailbox now. And the tire pressure gauge is slightly off and it nags me in cold weather. And it tries to get me to accept the EULA every time I start the car. (I haven't hit the accept button yet. Not that I'm under any illusion that affects my legal standing on any issue in any particular way. It's just my own tiny little protest.) And the touchscreen I have to look at while driving instead of physical buttons I can use by feel seems less safe. Plus, this car has a lot more bells and whistles. I did go for one that had more manual things like a non-power rear hatch and manually/mechanically adjustable driver's seat and a keyed ignition rather than push start. But still. Is the car going to brick and incur a big repair fee if the rear view camera (that wasn't a feature of my previous car) breaks?
  Finally, have you heard of Wirth's Law? There are tons of memes out there about how in the nineties they crammed really impressive software into small amounts of storage and they worked on very low-power computers. Now the ads alone on a lot of recipe sites and news articles (previously seen as about the lowest power things one could do on a computer) will bog down a fairly powerful computer.

Computer hardware is constantly improving. Sure, the software is getting worse, but there are good alternatives to that either already existing, like in the PC space, or being worked on, like in the mobile space. Also this is ignoring price gouging of PC hardware.
Display tech has gone a long way since early LCD TVs started being a thing. Granted, I still think CRT is a better technology overall, but modern TV panels do a great job of coming close in quality, while having its own benefits and drawbacks.
Good quality audio is becoming more affordable, with $20 IEMs sounding incredible for the price (Moondrop Chu II specifically) and ~$100 planar magnetic cans being available.

Phone screens.

rocketry
cost of transport to space (orbit) has dropped dramatically in the past 20 years.
from 8000$/kg in 2000
to about 2500$/kg with falcon 9 in 2010
and still dropping rapidly.
source: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-cost-of-space-flight/

Porn

Scopes, binoculars, and telescopes.

What items AREN'T better than they used to be?
There is absolutely an abundance of cheap crap options out there but almost everything has a much better equivalent available today.
- What? Like all appliances break easier and are un-repairable while only performing the same or marginally better than their old counterparts.
  Also clothes are way less hardy (though I concede they are cheaper, often softer and don't bleed in the washer as much) I don't know that I'd call them better.
  
  Cheap clothes are crappy. More on this story at 11.
  You can still buy well made clothes that'll outlast the person wearing them, they just cost more.

iphones
these things are fuckin crazy these days

Just about everything. There's almost nothing you can point to today and legitimately say that the model from 20, 30, 60 years ago was better.
- The exception is sewing machines. My 1970s version is still going while more recent ones fail because of plastic parts. The repair man offered me a great deal of money if I would sell the old one to him.

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