Exactly! If we're judging people for practical purposes like this then great. If we're judging people as big idiots just for the purposes of sniffing our own farts, leave me out.
This is what irks me so much whenever this discussion comes up. What does "judging people" or "holding people responsible" for believing propaganda look like? What is the conclusion we're drawing off of that?
And they're never consistent about what that means. Does it mean leftism is doomed in the West because the anglo brainpan is genetically predisposed to imperialism and fascism? Is that why they "choose to believe" propaganda? Are people just naturally selfish and will choose their own wealth over the benefit of others? Wow, that would mean capitalism is the natural state of society!
It's this vague, nonsensical babbling about "guilt" and "responsibility" without ever as much as indicating what that actually means.
The only purpose of this argument is so you can feel superior to all these stupid idiots around you who consume the propaganda because they are dumb and bad people, while you are the only one smart and moral enough to become a leftist instead. It's completely unproductive and ideologically self-sabotaging. If you don't believe that the majority of Americans can ever become convinced by leftist ideas because they just love fascism so much, then what the fuck are you doing here? Go hang out with the centrists since you believe better things aren't possible.
omg yes! like why is everyone reaction once theyve been duped is to get online and insist that no one do any self crit, and that there was NOTHING you could have done (ONE google search) to avoid falling for it. i say this as the most gullible person in the world. especially when the claims are truly unhinged
If you were above the age of 5 when 9/11 happened there’s no excuse. You saw very clearly how US propaganda works, and if you can’t recognize it by now that’s on you.
Seriously, I see the rise of people like and other "leftists" who are mostly pro-US in terms of foreign policy, and it seems they're mostly guys my age (late 20s early 30s) leading audiences of Zoomers, and it's almost like they're taking advantage of the fact they didn't live through the post 9/11 war on terror buildup.
Honestly I don’t give much credit to the youths either, I’m too young to remember 9/11, I just grew up in the aftermath and went “Oh this place is fucking insane”
But if you were there and watched it fucking happen, and you aren’t vehemently anti-US, get in the
Maybe state propoganda but research shows they're giving boomers a run for their money as far as falling for scams and bullshit online from non state departments.
There was a struggle session about this a while back but I 100% agree. Just like how we don’t excuse cops & troops for joining up because of all encompassing propaganda, we have to hold people accountable for their awful actions and opinions to some degree, even in the context of the western propaganda torment nexus.
There's a pretty big difference between working as a cop or troop and passively consuming news. Living and doing something every day vs. stuff on a screen that you may not even be that interested in, and certainly have no influence over.
There's a difference between passively consuming news and actively lapping up every gallon of slop they dump in front of you without even a moments pause.