What happens to orphaned communities when their host instance dies?
What happens to orphaned communities when their host instance dies?
Do they get adopted by other instances? Are they still accessible from other instances? Can you still post on them from another instance?
Edit: From my understanding every instance that deals with a community has a cached copy. Will that copy disappear after a certain time, because it can't phone to home anymore?
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Lemmy is instanced. if the host "dies" everthing else dies with it. even the accounts and everything. as far as i understand it. maybe there will be a few cached posts from that instance but im not sure about that.
This is going to make it impossible for any technical help communities to take root. The fact that the whole thing can just go poof completely turns me off from using something like that.
wait till you hear what happens when a centralized service goes down.
I understand what you're saying, but I feel more concerned with the stability of instances due to the fact that they're run by everyday people as something to do, they already have lives and jobs outside of this. Maybe it's a passion project they pour a lot into, but the possibility of it crashing down for various reasons is a lot higher than a larger centralized service run by companies whose soul purpose is to run that service.
sure, and then the big company whose sole purpose is to run a service gets bought by another company, and now Gfycat is going to shut down and delete all its content in September. oh, and Imgur, apart from removing NSFW content, will also crack down on anonymous uploads, which likely means bunch of infographics and graphic tutorials being wiped. or Google decides to, you know, do what they're best at.
This.
If we don't want things run so as to squeeze every ounce of value out of users, then things can't be run by profit-seeking entities. They basically need to be run by altruistic people doing it for pro-social reasons, or we stay on the enshitification train.
If people are really invested in a community remaining a forever space on the internet, we just need to develop the features for migrating those communities to new instances, and then having that community shell out for their own host.
That is where stability will come from. Communities self-hosting.
Gyfycat has also been running for 8 years, Imgur for 14. I'm talking only about the longevity of a service running. I don't think people are expecting any instance to run for that amount of time, though its obviously too early to tell.
Clearly these large centralized services eventually decay away due to power hungry individuals within, but it takes some time.
I'm not sure if people are going to read this as I'm pro-centralized services, because I'm not, I'm just making statements.
It'll never happen, centralised means stable. Just check out what this company called Google have built!
They are currently working hard to discontinue your favourite Google service.
And they're being sarcastic.
RIP Google Reader
https://killedbygoogle.com/
RIP RIP RIP
I get the concern, but long term persistence is probably a rarity. The internet is still young. If anything a federated group of communities that are linked somehow will last far longer than a single server of even a large corporation. For the weeks that Lemmy et al have been growing, how to best develop communities that connect and last has been an ongoing question.
The internet is still young.
In what world is 40 years "young"?
The internet as most people know it and as companies depend on it isn't that old.
The difference being discussed here is a single existence vs. potential for redundancy. The best way for something to outlive even the places it's stored is by repetition. That goes against both how we've grown things so far on the internet as well as the talk about competition among instances and the biggest one wins. It's far better for there to be many groups that share information in some way but are their own entities and aren't dependent on the rest.
Everything dies.
The existence itself doesn’t.
Are you sure about that?
Yes, 51%
From memory posts are partially archived by Google's cache, so if they're indexed correctly people should still be able to search for something and have it as a result? Unsure if that would work if the whole domain is actually gone though
Exactly, this is why things like stack overflow never came into existence.
Not quite. Other instances subscribed to remote instances are sent the information about new posts, comments etc and they store them locally on that instance. So, while there's not be new content (since the main instance is the controller for all incoming content and distributes it back out, it would break the connection for new stuff.
There are manual steps an instance admin could take, to take it over. Probably it would need some agreement as to who takes it on.
I haven't bothered playing with instances yet I just made my account yesterday. I need another account if I leave lemmy.world?
If lemmy.world dies, you're account goes down along with it. You would then need to find a new instance and make a new account.
As long as lemmy.world hasn't blocked the other instance, you can access it through lemmy.world and write there with your current account
Aaaah ok