Dear server admins, please defederate threads.net. Dear users, ask your server admin to defederate threads.net.

Yeah dude let’s just federate with an instance maintained by a corporation that has undoubtedly caused a genocide in Myanmar by turning a blind eye to a far-right hate speech group that caused an entire fucking minority to flee into another country.

I don’t get why people are supporting and saying “oh it must be up to the user” like bro this is the company we’re dealing with. Fuck that fuck threads fuck zuckerberg i don’t want his shit cancer near something that’s going well so far.

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lemm.ee already made the decision, based off of the voice of the community to defederate from Threads

please take a look at the replies under zuck's own post in threads.net and determine if that's the type of content you want.

for those who don't want to visit, majority of the commentators are bots. some advertising crypto, and others asking for money.

even if you think you can individually block those accounts, keep in mind the size of threads compared to fediverse.
for Lemmy: monthly active users are barely 150K40K, while for threads it's 100 million. there's no chance you can control that inflow of bots.

and if it still doesn't convince you, you can read threads' privacy policy, which states that they'll gather all that pii if you interact with their content.

most of the internet is already bigtech, I don't want Lemmy to become another arm of it. though I have faith in my instance maintainer and dessalines, the dev.

Comment stolen from user "copygirl" from blahaj.zone:

Looks like they'll be harvesting your data if you follow anyone from Threads, maybe even injecting ads. Unsure what happens to the data of people that get followed by a Threads user. A large part of the fediverse is here precisely because they want to escape corporate meddling, data-hoarding, advertising and other anti-user malpractices. There's a number of people talking about this, here's a recent post that highlights some of the things from their TOS.

In favor of defederation. If I start seeing garbage from threads in my feed, I'm switching instances. I don't want Meta pushing their divisive, hateful, misinformation all up in my feeds. Meta will kill fedi. We don't need them.

If anybody remembers XMPP being widespread and what Facebook, Google, Apple and others (say, I personally remember VK and Yandex in Russia supporting it) did to it, that's what will happen if you "wait and see".

EDIT: oh, half the thread is such comments

How to kill a decentralized network (such as the fediverse)

Currently, I think there are two main branches of ActivityPub implementations: Microblogs(Mastodon and its forks, the microblog portion of kbin), which are user centric, and group based aggregators(Lemmy, Kbin, peertube, future Pixelfed), both of which are valid implementations, however, they don't really work well with each other.

So, I believe that the threat of Threads to Lemmy instances is really overblown for the simple reason that there is no way for a Lemmy user to browse microblog contents through federation to begin with, whether it be Mastodon or Threads.

If anything meta integrates here I'm out.

Let's not defederate from every corporate player. Some of them can probably respect reasonable rules of civility.

But fuck Meta. We already know how this plays out.

We know there's a huge wave of hatred and misinformation incoming. We've seen it on their other platforms.

Okay. I’ve seen stuff like this on both mastodon, and here, but i haven’t heard about them doing anything that would actually harm the fediverse. I guess i don’t know what the problem is. I know they’ve got a negative reputation, and for good reason, but isn’t that the awesome part of threads being federated? We can follow and connect to people there without being part of their system, and therefor not susceptible to their bs? If I’m missing something please fill me in.

We should avoid making blanket demands like this to the fediverse as a whole. I happen to support your position, but we should take into account the diverse nature of the social web.

Instead of making demands, explain your reasoning and leave each community to make up their own mind. This is the beautiful nature of the social web; we have broken decision making down into many smaller units instead of one mega instance/corporation.

Find a community that resonates with your own thinking on this issue, and over time a thousand different servers will gather experiences and a picture will start to form; was federation with Meta a good or a bad thing?

There's a list of people that have agreed to block it at https://fedipact.online/

0.19 allows users themselves to block instances...

How about users make decisions for themselves and block Threads if they want?

What exactly is "pushing their crap"? Chances are it will be more moderated and less arbitrary than what passes through from some lemmy instances. Hatred and misinformation? Harvesting your data? Like this isn't already a factor with lemmy? In the Fediverse, we have admins who flagrantly break their own TOS. Plus it seems to me this is an opportunity for lemmy to get advertisement at Threads' expense.

If you don't subscribe to threads you'll never see it.

Aside from the "moral" argument, can someone ELI5 what harm can a federated threads.net do on other users (like me) and/or instances?

Defederation is cancer and it will kill Fediverse faster than any Meta.

I can kinda see the point, but also without providing actual reasons, this post just seems like a LARP.

Oddly, this may well be what really spurs on decentralisation. I suspect more and more individuals, or small groups, will spin up their own instances rather than all gravitating to the bigger ones, due to issues like this.

Because, ultimately, the more tech-savvy users (the ones more likely to be into the Fediverse, anyway) will want to decide for themselves what content they do and don't see.

And it's nothing to do with whether or note someone likes/trusts Meta. It's people being able to make their own decisions on what content they want to be able to follow and not have it decided by someone else based on their interests. If someone's friends/family/fandom has a heavy Threads presence, they can spin up their own instance and be able to follow that content themselves without it really affecting anyone else. (and without having to sign up to Threads themselves...)

Well, I said before I'll leave any servers that federate with Meta, and it's looking like that time.

I hate Zuck and Facebook as much as the next person, but I think the rollout is going slowly enough that we don’t need to fight about it yet.

The discussion is important and needs to be had, but it’s premature.

Is threads.net going to hit the top of "most defederated" list? People hate it even more than gab and truthsocial.

I'm not too worried about Threads joining the metaverse. What Mark Zuckerberg has failed to realise is just how barebones his Twitter clone is.

Mastodon has support for trending topics and hashtags. Threads doesn't. Lacking such an absolutely basic feature that any microblogging platform would otherwise support is why Threads dropped from 500M active users to just a fraction of it.

I joined it near launch, made a few posts and then stopped. There is nothing worthwhile on Threads and I don't think leeching on to the fediverse.

Also, I can kinda understand why you all rushed to defederate from Gab when they tried to jump on the federation bandwagon, but not Meta.

Zuckerberg doesn't need us to overtake X. He needs to actually make a functional social media app first, then put more resources into moderating it.

X is still on top despite Elon Musk's stewardship because his competitors are either too small (most federated instances), require too big of a technical hurdle for the average Joe to use (the fediverse in general), or are downright incompetent (Threads.)

@mypasswordis1234 I mean, what is the point in defederating while being in a Lemmy instance? You cannot interact with microblog while using #Lemmy. The only thing that comes to my mind is that threads users will not be able to comment on a lemmy post or comment, but let's be honest, the way communities will probably federate to #threads (the same way it is today with mastodon*) is not good, thus reducing the amount of attraction a lemmy post can get over there.

• For some weird reason in the implementation of the AP protocol, lemmy posts are seems as just a link on mastodon, the replies are complete though. If someone understand this better and wants to explain, feel free to do it.

Too bad people on mastodon don't have the ability to block an instance they find objectionable for themselves-- oh wait.

Not sure about Lemmy, but we can do this on mastodon. I don't need someone else deciding for me.

Tldr? Couldn't disagree more

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Honest discourse for the purpose of highlighting any possible issues and fortifying against the EEE process. (Prepare for war; hope for peace):

Let's say they were able to join... (We should at the very least go over this possibility, as it can also help our admins decide.) How would we be able to protect our network?

Would making sure any features of one instance/app be open and able to be modified and/or gracefully integrated into another be an option? (similar to the GPL license) An example would be keeping a party from restricting access to a private network only through their app. (looking at you, gTalk and iMessage)

Any other suggestions?

Could threads generate so much data that it costs to much to keep an instance/server running?

In my opinion all big player are just federating to destroy the fediverse or take it over. Why else would they be here? There is just no need for them to be here exept to kill competition before it gets to big.

Better yet, let them enjoy the full connectivity for a month. Once they've enjoyed all the awesome content and got used to it - defederate.

lemmy.world and by extension mastodon.world is probably still waiting to see what happens. The other instance I have my account on has a rather hands-off approach to moderation soooo I hope there's some way for a user to block an instance on their own.

By all means, fuck Meta to the moon and back, but for goodness' sake, users on federated servers can choose to block the domain with the same result, not to mention that admins can simply restrict it (see social.coop/@eloquence/1115888…). It just isn't so black and white as people are making it seem.

Federation with a bigger platform is realistically the only way for Fedi to become mainstream, and at the moment Meta seems at least to be trying to be communicative. And with their quite unvaluable userbase they really don't have enough leverage against the privacy-concious Fediverse to turn AP into MetaPub. For now.

"Everyone everywhere should federate."

"Not like that!"

I’m against the defederation. The internet and the www are based on the idea of connection.

@tedvdb@feddit.nl Hey :)

Why? This sounds like FUD.

I highly recommend using Boost for Lemmy for mobile use. One simple reason at the moment (there are many): it has a tagging feature that allows you to display text next to a user's handle. ITT there are 4-5 users I've tagged as centrist or right wing trolls and they are all the fuck over the thread, arguing in favor of Facebook being a part of the fediverse. This does not surprise me in the least, but at least the tagging helps me immediately identify the shitbirds making bad faith arguments so I can easily ignore their garbage opinions.

I'd personally at least give them a chance. Defederating is a pretty easy process and can be performed at any point in time. At least some Threads users may as well get to know about Lemmy and switch to it.

Upd: yes I do understand many people don't trust Meta and neither do I. But I also understand lots and lots of users here are using anonymous accounts, and federation information is already public to begin with. Combining the fact that Fediverse may gain more than it may lose, including more users, original content, recognition and etc, I generally think it's worth the risk. I am generally content with any decision, just sharing my two pennies of thought.

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I guess those nonstop arguments about Palestine and Israel will creep over if we don't defederate Threads. That is literally all I ever see in there nowadays.

What's next? Discord federates with Matrix? Give me a break.

For default, they are unfederated in threads.

Also, are you sure you want the mass don't know what the federated web is? We are a low number of users. If we want to me the new standard of internet, we need the people to know what de Fediverse is. And threads can be that first door, and then they can start to spread to other more suitable stances.

I just want to extend the conversation.

Let users decide because we’re fucking adults.

they are

Let the user decide. If lemmy/mastodon user wants to block threads, let them. Defederating entirely is idiotic gatekeeping.

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By all means, fuck Meta to the moon and back, but for goodness' sake, users on federated servers can choose to block the domain with the same result, not to mention that admins can simply restrict it (see social.coop/@eloquence/1115888…). It just isn't so black and white as people are making it seem.

Federation with a bigger platform is realistically the only way for Fedi to become mainstream, and at the moment Meta seems at least to be trying to be communicative. And with their quite unvaluable userbase they really don't have enough leverage against the privacy-concious Fediverse to turn AP into MetaPub. For now.

Why not just let them choose instead of trying to get users to brigade them? Personally I want my insurance federated with Threads.

Short-sighted advice from people who don't understand the purpose of ActivityPub.

Yeah, close that protocol! Build the walls around our garden higher! No need to wait for them to actually do something worth defederating over, we just don't like them!

This is silly. A major social media network is trying to join the Fediverse and everyone's keen on stopping it. If Meta does something dirty or damaging, sure, defederate them then. But I was kind of hoping that open protocols would flourish, not just end up as another bunch of balkanized forums and Reddit-likes.

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I haven't defederated anyone yet, I don't intend to defederated from Instagrams new failed Twitter clone.

I'm all for defederating, but only until we know what their intentions are. I'm more worried about Mastodon than Lemmy, but still, that's not the point. The only power any of us have is to file an official complaint with the FTC and make a distinct point, not just "I hate meta/Facebook and want them to go away" it has to be a logical complaint such as "their terms of service are overstepping their boundaries and taking ownership of data on competing platforms that they do not own to lock out competitors." It's really the only thing anyone in the US can do.

I would hate for the fediverse to die by zuck the cuck's hand, but the sad truth is open source is the enemy of corporate platforms, and it's encouraging enough that ActivityPub is enough of a threat to Meta that they're willing to go to these measures to make sure their bottom line isn't harmed. The real fucked up thing is their intention to farm other platforms users with their consent and that's the real problem.

No I don't think I will

I can see that threads.net may harm the Fediverse. But, there might be some people that don't like the threads client and want to use the fediverse to interact with them. This will divide us. Also, trying to have a standard were threads.net is blocked is very hard to spread. Maybe has to be default on the server side, or even better, a subscription.

I want a server where users can make these decisions for themselves.

Fuck this mob-mentality spurred upon by losers.

With the new Lemmy update, this should not be a problem for the szers as they will be able to block instances.

I think we should let meta federated to the fediverse until they try to influence it or integrate ads in posts or something else that can hurt the fediverse

Why do you hate user choice so much?

And another attempt at blanket hating on a platform for no reason. Be more original, people.

Edit: if YOU don't like it, sure block it. But don't force your backwards decision on everyone else.

Nah. More content and a lower percentage of extremists is a good thing.

Sadly i dsagree with you, nobary cares about this peace of junk (seriously, microblog without hashtags?). Also i think is fedverse is a great place in general and i trust in all instances moderators, and any bot or think like this have interesting in us. I don;t worry about, for me is one more day with meta bulshit, thatś it

Dumb argument is dumb. We need to defederate the internet! LAN not WAN!

If I don't like it I won't look at it, simple as.

There is no point to defederate threads.

If folks find the content on the instance I maintain interesting, I want them to join from whichever platform they feel most comfortable with. As long as they don’t cause problems, that is.

The fediverse’s worst enemy is itself. The persistent paranoia that people are out to ruin it is going to drive all the rational people away.

The preemptive strike is interesting. The cost will be a lack of knowledge. We know our enemy but we don't know them on this terrain yet.

extremely weary of any call to arms like this, especially when i am exclaimed to "need" to do something. the block function exists in almost all federated platforms, including the ability to block entire instances; use it and, like META: stop pushing YOUR OWN AGENDA on everyone else.

I will leave my instance lemy.lol if it defederates threads.net. Defederating is stupid

I don't like Meta, but that's far from the worst corporate rights record. I say wait and see how it turns out first.

Such a dumb fucking loser post.

Go be a paranoid baby by yourself, don't try and create mass hysteria to ruin the community for everyone else.

why? gatekeeping is bad

Lol no. That said, I'm on Threads too so whatevs.

People are overreacting.

If Kbin defederates from Threads, I'll just leave Kbin, and stay with Threads. Defederating over vibes is not how the fediverse is supposed to operate. And for everyone advocating for this dumb idea, I'm just using this thread as a honey pot.