Some people can't just have a normal opinion without attaching some guilt factor in case you disagree. That hexbear "discourse" is just a really childish way to say "I want my AI art and the haters make me angry" with added pretension to make it sound like an important social issue. Internet brain poisoning and thinking you need to hold a Platform all the time will do that.
Yeah, it's totally a culturally radlib thing to have it be not just that you like or dislike something, but that liking or disliking it is righteous. AI tools are fun to dick around with, but there was once an asshole here who said that aphantasia and a motor disability that prevented them from learning rote action meant they couldn't, literally couldn't do art. I pointed out that there are lots of artists with aphantasia (and linked some talking about it) and they said "I guess Obama getting elected means racism is over". Don't get me wrong, disabilities suck and I'm pessimistic about the realistic viability of painting if you're, like, born blind, but Christ, dude, come on.
Honestly the question of the motor disability was way more interesting to me, but they were mainly hung up on the idea that it's impossible to ever do anatomy beyond stick figures (they literally said this) with aphantasia. Like, is it able-splaining to say that they seem to seriously misunderstand what people use mental images for in the first place?
Sorry, I should have been more clear. Conceptually, I think it was the more interesting problem, but I don't think it would be worth discussing with you because you didn't want to discuss things from that angle and there's no sense in pressing the matter.
Insofar as I was hung up on the other aspect, I think it was me be careful about what I knew I could claim because I am not, in fact, ableist.
Conceptually, I think it was the more interesting problem, but I don't think it would be worth discussing with you because you didn't want to discuss things from that angle and there's no sense in pressing the matter.
Gaslight me more crybully. Tell me how my neurodiversity is both
not disabled enough for you
I'm pessimistic about the realistic viability of painting if you're, like, born blind, but Christ, dude, come on.
but how parts of it might be "conceptualy interesting" but not to actually discuss with someone with lived experience.
Obviously this is one of those "disagreeing with me is gaslightinging" things, but I don't get where the "crybully" thing came from. I'm not a victim of shit, I think your dismissiveness is unfortunate, but I'm not crying over it.
That said, I should have been more careful in my wording, because I was meaning to contrast "painting while blind" with "bodies having widths while you can't mentally picture them". I will repeat that you seem to not understand how NT people draw, which is unfortunate for how it makes the question of how you can succeed in drawing much harder to conceptualize.
I will repeat that you seem to not understand how NT people draw, which is unfortunate for how it makes the question of how you can succeed in drawing much harder to conceptualize.
This sort of patronizing tone is gaslighting. You have already made it abundantly clear you care nothing for me as an individual. So why would you say things like "unfortunate" like you pity me? Its blatantly facetious and meant to deceive me into thinking you aren't being an asshole.
Your original comment was trying to blame a marginalized person for being offended by your ableism that's being a cry bully.
So why would you say things like "unfortunate" like you pity me?
You don't understand the framing, which is that for a certain cause or goal, an impeding or confounding factor is "unfortunate" for the goal, the goal here being something like "determining how you could hypothetically succeed in drawing". I don't especially care about you, but this doesn't hinge on me being personally invested in you, I'm just speaking in terms of stipulated aims.
Personally, you might forget this but I'm a communist and so I generally do want to see people succeed, and I do think that your lack of understanding about NT art is harming you and that that's a bad thing, but obviously I know I'm not going to get anywhere with you trying to talk on that level, so I don't bother.
Your original comment was trying to blame a marginalized person for being offended by your ableism that's being a cry bully.
"Crybully" does not mean "thinks your line of taking offense is bullshit," there is necessarily some element of reversing the direction of victimization. I do not claim that you are victimizing me or attempting to on any level.
All of this is obviously a deflection from the fact that you are simply wrong in the assertion that someone who can't produce mental images can only draw stick figures. If you actually care about this subject, I strongly encourage you to learn how to sketch scaffolding just like other art students do to get proportions correct. If you can use a compass and a ruler to draw a pentagram (and a protractor if you really like), you can do that. I've linked many testimonies from people with aphantasia that are the basis for much stronger claims, but I'm not interested in making those, I'm basically just arguing this because I find it frustrating when people assert conclusions that don't follow from the premises they lay out, and fundamentally nothing that you have said prevents you from sketching scaffolding for drawings.
which is that for a certain cause or goal, an impeding or confounding factor is "unfortunate"
Personally, you might forget this but I'm a communist
Its hard to remember you are supposedly a comrade when you keep talking down to me like I am stupid because I am Neurodivergent and keep downplaying my lived experiences. If someone says something you have said is racist, you stop, apologize, and ask for clarification if you need it. You do not defend what you said because there is a good chance you are defending racism. If someone says you are being homo/queer/transphobic the same rules apply. Why do you refuse to do self crit on ableism? Maybe I forget that you are supposedly a communist because you are doing your damnedest to prove you are the 11th type of liberal.
Can someone disagree without patronizing and talking?
when you keep talking down to me like I am stupid because I am Neurodivergent
No, if I am talking down to you it's because you aren't actually engaging with simple points and continuously make faulty inferences.
Instead of doing the Umberto Eco Checklist But Socialist Now, can I interest you in opposing book worship? Can you or can you not draw a pentagram with the materials I mentioned before? If you are going to bandy Mao about, then you should oppose dogmatism in your comrades like you are using here as a crutch. Clearly, simply saying "I say so" is inadequate when the arguments as-presented don't follow, so perhaps explain more thoroughly.
I don't want to play the ND card, but you presume wildly incorrectly about my condition, though I certainly do lack your conditions.
You called people ableist classist luddites for not supporting AI companies, no argument must be made against you, you must simply be mocked. You dumbass.
No investigation , no right to speak.
There you go being a #5 liberal again. You should read Combat liberalism... like every day... and not as a "to do" list.
The article that spawned that struggle session was about an AI image being copy writable by the the person feeding it prompts. It had literally nothing to do with any AI companies. "No investigation , no right to speak."
Oh god you're still fucking going?
Your take was fucking ridiculous and is still ridiculous and you don't deserve any kind of real reply, and you won't be getting one. You're a dumbass, stop being a fucking dumbass. Stop simping for tech companies.
Nobody is simping for tech companies. Stop throwing out strawman arguments. Stop claiming that I have done no research and then ignoring when I pint out that you are the one who is arguing against a point nobody made. Stop throwing out pathetic insult and engange with my arguments. Stop being a Am I gonna have to throw the PPB at you?
To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type.
You don't engage with my arguments because you have no materialist arguments only reactionary emotion. You aren't refusing to engage you are incapable of doing so. You issues with AI are purely reactionary self interest. I'll apologise for calling you a classist. I was wrong on that front. A classist requires some degree of class consciousness. You are just a socially progressive reactionary. You use leftist language and like leftist ideas in so far as they would improve your life materially but you'd sell the revolution down the river for a quick buck.
I would... but see... that's the 6th type of liberalism and I combat that shit.
Its pretty funny to me that you have been waiting for someone to mention AI for 3 weeks. 3 weeks you've been seething and stewing and the best you can deliver is this reactionary spasm? I called you a lib and I also threatened to PPB you before you even thought of using it. Maybe try not using the insults that someone just used on you? Just because it cut you deep when I said it doesn't mean its gonna do the same to me.