I already moved. It's not just Trump that's the problem, and even if he loses in 2024, or does in office, the issues still will persist. America needs to figure out how to make the judicial system work properly and norms need to be codified. Vast swaths of the population need to change their culture of "us vs them".
I won't be going back, the way things work with Republicans, you can't just move to a blue state, you have to move out of the country.
Usually I'd grab my bucket of popcorn and watch another 4 years of the shitshow that is US politics.
Unfortunately, this time the same kind of shitshow is happening across the pond in quite a few countries (not just the usual eastern ex-soviet states), including my country. Populist morons fueled by the Trump, Bolsonaro, Le pen, Orbán cookbook.
People are eating this up on social networks and voting for them. I feel it's going to get real nasty.
Voting.
Local. State. Federal. Like I always have. I also moved out of a "shithole" state in the words of our treasonous former president.
With China having a severe gender imbalance and a massive generation (age) imbalance, it's going to cause all sorts of problems for them soon. Big, big fucking problems. And Russia just had all their young men flee, die stupidly, or decide Russia might not be the best place after they've released shittons of violent offenders, lol. Russia's future looks dim at best. Iran isn't looking too healthy either.
So the bottom line is this: no matter where you go, you aren't outrunning a shift to a multipolar world, especially one where resources like fresh water and food will be getting more scarce as climate change fucks the world and countries get more desperate, particularly authoritarian ones that are losing a tenuous grip on their people. That shit always causes wars, because humans are too fucking stupid to prioritize science in any other context.
Countries with democracy and immigration and the means to defend themselves and their friends are your best bet. Our fate and your own fate are intrinsically linked because of that.
I imagine a number of famous people will talk about how they're moving to Canada, and don't.
Same as I've been doing since he won last time. Stay in my more liberal home state, extend understanding to friends and relatives who live in conservative states, extend invitations to the few who might need to move to keep themselves safe. Keep donating and volunteering with the organizations I've been supporting.
I have a friend who is thinking about seeking asylum in the US. I have encouraged her to weigh her other options; there are other countries where she has friends and family that might be more welcoming to her. If Trump gets elected, I'm not sure she'll even have a viable path to the US.
continue being annoyed by the level of corruption and incompetence of the US ruling class while existing in a visibly collapsing empire.
Be a constant reminder to my neighbors to avoid authoritarianism. Continue to push for self and local community reliance. Keep pushing my local governments and organizations to remain or become more inclusive.
Something new though? Maybe support an inclusive civics focused militia near me, if for no other reason so that marginalized people can feel like they have a community that will really fight for them or at least help them defend themselves if things really get that bad.
Donations to the ACLU. They seem like the best bet for the hardest fight of preserving the rights of immigrants. Among all the other things, they have to defend against as well.
Send him Big Macs every single day and wait for him to have a heart attack.
My boyfriend is Swiss, and there's been a loose open conversation over where we'd want to end up settling long-term. A second Trump term would definitely add several points in the Switzerland column.
Underground railroad for repressed minorities to escape.
I would be surprised if he wins. It really feels like his time has passed. But if he does I will use resistbot to its fullest capacity.
I don’t think there will be a presidency after him if he does though. I think people generally underestimate the violence it will bring.
Not to mention, they are very used to making poor decisions (see: invasions of Afghanistan & Iraq) and also not fighting back when their elections are stolen or interfered with. (See: Brooks Brother Riot and Trump election)
Good luck dummies!
Honestly I have no idea. I live in the midwest and I am rather poor, so I imagine I will just start hording canned food and glare at people through the curtains like usual
Just keep going about my daily life. The result of the election is not going to change where I live or where I work. The Federal Government doesn't have much of an impact on my day to day life, beyond federal laws and regulatory agencies. I don't see those changing in an (immediately) catastrophic way. Most of my day to day life is determined by my state and town government.
I've been visiting English speaking countries and kind of scouting where might be a good option if America had a serious issue. Canada would be my first choice because of proximity and shared values. New Zealand #2, then probably UK or Ireland.
I'm a cybersecurity professional with a lot of experience and I hope that would be welcomed in most countries but idk. I don't want to move, and would stick around for a bit to see initially how things go but if it kicks right back to 2020's level of insanity I'm 100% out.
Well since I've been very vocally liberal and anti-Trump over the past 8 years or so, I suspect I'll end up dying in a labor camp.
I don't have the means to get out of the county beforehand or I'd already be out, and I think there's effectively no country that's going to be willing to take political refugees from the United States afterwords, so I'm pretty well fucked.I will legit try to find countries with constitutions and parliaments that I could relocate to to live and work. The American constitutional Republic will be over if Trump becomes President again.
He'll certainly start his retribution with the big fish of anti Trump people and organizations, but it won't take long for it to "trickle down" to everyday people as well.
I'm lucky enough that it's feasible for me to find work in my field outside the US. Others aren't so lucky.
If it happens and I'm still in this hell hole probably just die.
Continue on as a wage slave hoping to get like a couple weeks vacation eventually.
Depends on what he does. Since I'm in the least likely demographic to be targeted (hmm, unless they start going through political groups I've been a member of), probably the same as I'm doing now. If it looks like there will be a civil war, I'd probably try to leave the country, but I guess that'd be too late, and I think a civil war is unlikely. I don't think many people would be willing to give their lives for... the Democratic party? I think the U.S. will become more like Russia (fake elections in red states [ensuring the Republican party the presidency and congress forever], more brutal police oppression, erosion of rights, opposition leaders falling out of windows, and encouragement of vigilante "justice" against whoever the "enemy" is at the time). I think protests and riots would be the most people would do, and they'd likely be met with increasingly deadly force.
Since covid, I make sure I keep a few months of non-perishables and water on hand in case of temporary supply chain disruptions, and I have plenty of wood to heat or cook with if needed. If there is a severe economic downturn (which is likely to happen in the unstable environment Trump would provide), and I couldn't find another well-paying job, I'd probably lose my home for not being able to pay my mortgage though.
Luckily I'm already out of the country but I don't think will go well if that happens.
Every now and then I have to remind myself that America was founded by religious nutjobs and colonized by industrialists.
I live in a very conservative place in the south where even the queer people are here pretty conservative hopefully he doesn't win... Didn't think I needed to spell it out until I remembered the people I live around so yeah I guess it makes sense 🥲
Just die I guess
Same as if Biden wins in 2024.
Or, assuming that one of them has a heart attack or something before then, Nikki Haley or Kamala Harris or whoever.
Lisbon, though we have some other ideas. We went through the process of research and consideration a few years ago and were seriously going to move. We didn't and are glad for that, and glad to have gone through that process in case we decide to leave.
The same shit I did today
Im not american but i would jump off a cliff if that happens
To leave the country
Avoid news outlets
First, read the comments while thinking most are ignorant of the consequences.
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I think ill sit at the foot of the stairs.
Fortunate enough to have EU citizenship, so I've already made arrangements to leave the country in that case. Will keep voting from overseas, though.
Nothing in particular. I am already planning for a Christian Nationalism state. Might as well ask me if I am already leaving a building because of a smoking detector going off if I would do something different if a second smoke detector went off.
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Depends. He seems pretty out of it right now and I don't know how much he would really accomplish. He's also pretty old and unhealthy.
But if he comes back angry and the people around him are effective, then yeah we would start looking for other places to live. I'm not trying to live in a Russian-style handmaid's tale.
I don't think it's dramatic to suggest Trump may actually put an end to our democracy though. Another Lemmy commenter summed it up best. They pointed out that we on the left may have disagreed with McCain or Bush, but we never once feared that they would seize power or leave NATO. We trusted them to at least keep the ship afloat and respect the basic tenants of our free and democratic nation.
With Trump, we don't have that. All bets are off because he's an unhinged narcissist. He would leave NATO and risk the Pax Americana that has stabilized the world for almost 100 years now. And he would do it for money, for negative attention, or just because someone told him he couldn't. America has some pretty major faults but China and Russia are not ready to take the reigns. Say what you will about the West but we at least endeavor to protect human rights. I think anyone who isn't trying to build on the current Western peace is incredibly dangerous in a very scary way.
The same thing I do after every election, cringe for another four years.
This is a dangerous question, don't out vulnerable people who may be dreading the future and want to talk about it. It's possible that someday, soon, that individuals will need to legitimately flee for their safety.
Be glad I'm not at the top of their list, and try to help my friends that are. Can't do much to sway the scared of nothing millions that will vote for him. So I'm looking for overseas jobs that pay relo, and I if I don't make it out, hunker down and hope there is a country left to salvage at the end.
As a Canadian I'm not sure what I would do for the next election if it is Trump vs Biden. I can't support someone who keeps supporting Israel after their actions in the last couple of months. But Trump literally said he will jail journalist and protesters and wants to invade mexico. I also feel like Trump would support Israel too .
These responses should be entertaining. /teasip
I already know where I’ll try to emigrate. I chose a new preferred country after seeing how shitty large swaths of my fellow Americans behaved in 2020. Absolute shitheads.
some of us are not allowed to vote so doing the same thing as the last election
hope people one day quit voting for one of the demopublicans and choose some third party
as an american dissident unable to vote it feels like trapped in a country that does not want us deciding things or having a voice of any kind just here to be a disposable warm body
yes it is like that rick and morty episode with the body theme park you know things are dying and rotting and falling apart around you but that is the extent of your powers unless someone on the outside intervenes
Hold my nose for 4 years and power through, same as last time. I'm in a blue state, we're fine.
Nothing, same as the first time. He couldn't do what he wants anyway, the stuff he can do can get reversed just as easily. All the other stuff is just noise.
Continually live life just like the last time he was in office. It's the same as when anybody else has taken office. Opposition says it's going to be the worst ever but in the grand scheme nothing changes.
Continue living my life as if federal shenanigans mostly don’t affect daily life, because they don’t.
Celebrate
Not an american, but I guess GTFO would be my answer if I were.
I'm not amercain and don't live in america but If i were to guess what would happen most of the people here would winge about it on social media for a few days after post election then contuine to live there lives till the next election where they'll vote for the stinky smelly and otherwise smelling of bo red turd or yellow piss stained blue turd rince and repeat no one political party is better than the other there both as equally as bad as the other
I don't think it matters all that much if trump/republicans win or if Biden/democrats win.
I feel like I've seen enough elections in my life to know that the POTUS is largely just a human sock puppet for the peasants to fight over online and in the street.
No matter which corporate owned tool wins the gameplan stays the same.
Impoverish you. Obey the donors. Sanctions + bombs. Tax cuts. Turn their pockets inside out when it comes to anything poor/working class people need. I could go on but I think you get the point.
The slow suicidal summersault into ww3 shall continue. Buckle up.
#MAGA
