Young voters explain why they’re bailing on Biden

Isnt it like a binary choice? It annoys me that fellow peeps are this stupid if my understanding is correct...

Yes. They are this stupid. Or this is propaganda by big corporations in favor of Republicans.
- Certainly hearing the same tune over and over again. Seems like it could be a propaganda effort. It is a little hard to believe lots of people are this...obtuse?
  I guess it is possible that if someone doesn't consume any (reliable) news and has zero understanding of politics and how it matters to the everyday peon, then they might not have learned anything during the Trump presidency.
  The adults in the room need to do whatever we can to get people to vote and donate time or money to campaigns. Local, state, and US Congress elections matter the most.
Civics classes have been cut for decades. Even when I was a kid they never explained that you had to vote for someone you didn't like.
- South Park already dealt with this aha. Douchebag or Turd Sandwich—decide lol
The primary election isn't about who will be president. It's about who will be a given party's candidate (to be president.).
which means that right now, Biden is not competing with Trump, and Trump is not competing with Biden, because they're in diametrically apposed parties. refusing to even consider alternatives to Biden when Biden is extremely and deeply unpopular across large swaths of the DNC base is... pretty myopic... if you're goal is to defeat Trump in November.
- apposed
  Not being a dick but did you mean opposed or literally apposed?
  I don't get what apposition is, its a weird word+concept
Not voting is an option :(
(Edit to add: To be clear, I put a frowny face because it's an option some people take, but I wasn't endorsing it. And I'm not American...)
- Seriously, fuck that. Pick a damn lane, you don't not vote when Hitler/his modern day political equivalents are in the picture...
  What's Nikki Haley's deal besides she's a she?
- Not voting is still choosing Dem or GOP; it's just silencing your own preference between the two and putting your faith in your countrymen to make the right decision... many hundreds of thousands of which are fucking morons.
  I really, strongly encourage you to show up and pick the least-bad candidate who has a realistic shot at winning.
- Not casting a ballot is the stupidest option available. It will only ever send the message that your opinion doesn't matter and no party will try to win your vote. Showing up to vote, and casting an empty ballot is how you send the message that all the candidates suck. You've proven you have the motivation to show up and as such your opinion matters and candidates will try and win your vote.
If you mean vote for him vs. not vote for him, then yes.
If you mean vote for him vs. the Republican nominee, then no, as there are other options. For starters the article seemed to suggest that some may just not vote at all. They also might vote for him but do so reluctantly, e.g. without discussing with their friends strongly promoting the voting for Biden as they did in the last election.
But it's a long way to the actual election, and campaigning has not started in earnest yet.
- How could that ever be successful? I like the Billions paraphrase
  anybody making a bet they don't know works out [Cotton] is a sucker [schmuck, my word]
  —Billions

If you want to vote against Biden do it between February and June during the primarys. Primary races are the time to vote with your heart find your dream candidate and go for it. In November you have 2 choices.

Multiple choices. Dem, GOP, third party, refrain from voting, etc
- Unfortunately, due to the systems we have in place, anything past the first to amounts to being a conscientious objector. Which generally just means the greater of two evils has a greater chance of succeeding.
  Edited for sanity.
- Nope 2 choices "DEM vs NOT DEM" or "GOP vs NOT GOP" America has a first past the post voting system it looks like an election between candidates but it's effectively each candidate versus the 50% threshold.
- Two choices: Dem or GOP
  Multiple choices. Dem, GOP, third party, refrain from voting, etc
You mean, like the primaries that dems are purposely not holding because the feckless are afraid of actual progressives?
Like, the primaries that are supposed to be going on… now?
- That was the candidate's fault in Tennessee & Florida. Better to for the world to know they are morons now instead of always wondering. Candidates like that shouldn't be near power.

These young voters live in different cities, work different jobs and have varying political beliefs. But among the things they have in common: They voted for Joe Biden in 2020 — and now say the president can’t count on their support in 2024.

“I genuinely could not live with myself if I voted for someone who’s made the decisions that Biden has,” said McKenzie, a 23-year-old working at Starbucks and as a union organizer in Madison, Wisconsin. “I didn’t even feel great about" voting for Biden back in 2020, he said.

- Ah, yes. That'll surely get them out to vote. /s
- Y’all’be been saying that or similar since at least ‘03.
  You need new scare tactics. Or, maybe, stop ignoring over half the base. But details. Yes. Keep blaming us for everything…
Voting isn't supposed to make you feel good. You're not supposed to be satisfied with your decision. It's going to suck and continue to suck until you die.
Kids these days...

I really think people would be happier if we set reasonable expectations for elected officials. Biden says he's gonna eliminate student loans? Yeah, no. Maybe, if we're very lucky and the lobbyists are feeling lazy we'll get $20,000 for the most in debt. The rest of you are on your own. (I don't blame Biden, the illegitimate Supreme Court did it, but there's nothing we can do about that.)

Stopping war? Nah, the US has been at war most of its history. Neither side is gonna stop it. Too much money to be made. But at least if we vote for Biden he'll pretend to feel bad about it, which is nicer than being a dick.

We're not getting universal health care. We're not getting better education. If we elect Biden next year there will still be twelve million children who are food insecure. Capitalism will continue to exploit you, and make you miserable, and then make you feel bad for being miserable.

But at the very least the government will feel badly about all the things they're doing/can't do. And that's about the best I've learned to hope for.

The Biden admin has forgiven 132bil in student loans so far. Not the 400bil the supreme court stopped, but way, way more than any other administration ever.
The key is that they have done it in small 5bil drips and drabs. This is a double edged sword in that the news has barely covered it, so there is no push to stop it. He can keep forgiving student debt, but only if no one notices and gets the corrupt courts involved.
- Exactly my point: Lower your expectations.
  It’s not going to happen overnight. It probably won’t happen at all, given the structure of our government.
  But he’ll make nice noises while the world burns and we all go broke and that will be a bit more pleasant.
the student loan situation he has managed to finagle is incredible compared to what was before. interest can increase original principle, payments based on income and if its not paid back in 20 years its forgiven. And health care wise the no surpise billing is huge. I mean no previous president did either of these things and honestly would not be surprised if things like this got rolled back if its not him. but whatever.
They know they dont have to fulfil any promises because liberals will keep electing them regardless what they do, or dont do. There are never any consequences to their action. Now that Fetterman has come out as full fledged right wing nut job, that D will still get him reelected.

I haven’t heard any of them say “I think I’ll get what I want under trump,” so I’m not scared about the youth vote. I’m scared about the successful voter fraud.

Turnout matters, though. Biden in 2020 won more votes than any presidential candidate in history, but the second place winner was Trump in 2020. There will be similar loyalty to Trump on the right in 2024, and if Biden can't match that, he loses. So I'm not afraid of the youth vote either, but I am afraid of the lack of it.
Trump doesn't need people to vote for him, he just needs enough that stay home.
Voter fraud is exceptionally rare. Instead, worry about disinformation, propaganda, voter suppression, and what the GOP does this time, if it loses the presidential election.

This is the best summary I could come up with:

“I genuinely could not live with myself if I voted for someone who’s made the decisions that Biden has,” said McKenzie, a 23-year-old working at Starbucks and as a union organizer in Madison, Wisconsin.

“It’s so complicated, because it almost feels like if I were to give my vote for Biden, I will be showing the Democratic Party that what they are putting out is enough, which is the bare minimum in my opinion,” said Camarena, a 24-year-old living outside the Bay Area.

Voters cited a number of policy areas that disappointed them, including insufficient moves to address climate change and Biden’s inability to fully cancel student loan debt or codify Roe v. Wade, as the president deals with a closely divided Congress.

While Biden and Democrats pushed to codify the protections of Roe at the federal level, congressional realities made legislative efforts impossible.

Biden wasn’t Kapp’s first choice as a candidate in the last election, and this year he plans to vote third party if the contest is a Biden-Trump rematch.

“I think that there is a chance” of Biden winning back her support, she said, adding that she expects the president to call for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war.

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Well, I hope they at least vote down ticket.

Yawn…. This again?

Has anyone tried lecturing them more? Kids loving hearing about how much inflation and war there was 50 years ago.

I'm majorly blaming these people when Trump wins.

Queue the tide of rhetoric insisting it’s between Biden and Trump…. And we’re the problem for not voting they way they tell us to.

- We are pointing at the massive, red, flashing danger sign around Trumps neck. The dude has literally said he’s going to be a dictator day one, and once a country starts down that path, the only way out is massive amounts of bloodshed.
  right now in primary season, trump has nothing to do with who the DNC candidate is. If you were truly motivated by defeating trump, you'd be looking at the "probably 50 other democrats" who could also defeat trump, because the absolute best way to defeat trump is to, you know, select the best candidate. Which is increasingly not Biden.
  Oh and that number of fifty comes directly from Biden himself. just saying. But, do, go on repeating the same thing that let Trump win in '16 against Hillary- ignoring the comments for critical segments of the democrat's base saying "we don't like them".
- Oh, and don't think any country is gonna drop what they are doing to help us.
  Pretty sure Russia will. It's just that you and I won't be part of the us they are helping.
Yes. It is just those two. It's always just 2 every election. And you are the problem if you pretend to not understand that.
- And you are the problem if you pretend to not understand that.
  That's a year out. We're not at that point yet. which kind of makes YOU the problem. Biden is a deeply unpopular candidate and instead of facing that fact- and listening to the warnings being given, and at the very least addressing them- you blather on about how awful trump is.
  But the whole point of primaries, which apparently i need to remind you, is to select the best candidate for a given party. you see how that works? this is a debate internal to the DNC. trump has nothing to do with this discussion, except as motivation to select the best candidate possible. Which, Biden cannot defeat trump. period. He's now too deeply unpopular among large segments of the Dem's base.
  the core arguemnt of "this isn't the year... next year, maybe" has been the rallying cry of moderates since I've been voting. You need to stop trotting that out along side the shitty candidates and start picking people who are actually... you know... popular? And let us not forget, Biden has been in government for longer than I've been alive. He's a part of why things are the way they are today.
But but but the incumbent advantage!1!! We have to run this deeply unpopular octogenarian!
- Let me guess, you think some far left candidate will have broader appeal than the centrist? Far too many on the fediverse seem to have difficulty understanding the realities of first-past-the-post.

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