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Young voters explain why they’re bailing on Biden — and whether they’d come back

www.nbcnews.com Young voters explain why they’re bailing on Biden — and whether they’d come back

Biden’s numbers among young voters have slid during his presidency from the high margins that helped him beat Trump. Several former supporters explain why.

Young voters explain why they’re bailing on Biden — and whether they’d come back
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Young voters explain why they’re bailing on Biden — and whether they’d come back

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  • Queue the tide of rhetoric insisting it’s between Biden and Trump…. And we’re the problem for not voting they way they tell us to.

    • We are not telling you how to vote.

      We are pointing at the massive, red, flashing danger sign around Trumps neck. The dude has literally said he's going to be a dictator day one, and once a country starts down that path, the only way out is massive amounts of bloodshed.

      Oh, and don't think any country is gonna drop what they are doing to help us.

      You vote to stop that first, then your generation needs to run for office at the state level. THATS where the real power lies.

      • We are pointing at the massive, red, flashing danger sign around Trumps neck. The dude has literally said he’s going to be a dictator day one, and once a country starts down that path, the only way out is massive amounts of bloodshed.

        right now in primary season, trump has nothing to do with who the DNC candidate is. If you were truly motivated by defeating trump, you'd be looking at the "probably 50 other democrats" who could also defeat trump, because the absolute best way to defeat trump is to, you know, select the best candidate. Which is increasingly not Biden.

        Oh and that number of fifty comes directly from Biden himself. just saying. But, do, go on repeating the same thing that let Trump win in '16 against Hillary- ignoring the comments for critical segments of the democrat's base saying "we don't like them".

        • sure! absolutely! for primaries go nuts, kick up a stink, let’s get a better candidate! totally agree!

          but when it comes to the election and if trump is the nominee for republicans and biden is the nominee for the democrats then you get the hell out there, suck up your pride and you vote against the dictator… and the only effective way of voting against the dictator is a vote for the democrats - not because you like it, not because it’s fair - but because the USA has a first past the post system and that’s just the bullshit reality of the situation

          and then, if you have the energy, you help at the local level to implement something like RCV

          (should be noted, i’m australian so i have no power to do anything, and a lot of people will say i have no business making comments like this because im not american! however america has placed itself in a position of power on the global stage - the way yall vote effects everyone! its critical - GLOBALLY - that trump doesn’t win)

          • (should be noted, i’m australian so i have no power to do anything, and a lot of people will say i have no business making comments like this because im not american! however america has placed itself in a position of power on the global stage - the way yall vote effects everyone! its critical - GLOBALLY - that trump doesn’t win)

            have you guys installed RCV? I'd love to hear specifics about implementation. (The biggest resistance is "people won't know how to vote"... because they're sooooo good at voting now.) trying to convince the Lame Duck governor to go for broke on everything.

            • yeah we have RCV for everything… everyone knows how to vote; it’s really not hard

              https://www.aec.gov.au/media/2022/05-11.htm

              this articles a little old and it’s changed a bit since then, but on a basic level it the same:

              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/14/how-does-australia-s-voting-system-work

              the gist is that if you want to just vote for a party, you can: if you simply put a 1 in a box, that party will assign your preferences (when you vote “below the line” - numbering every box in the order that you’d like - you have to fill out 150 numbers, making sure you don’t make a mistake)

              so your ballot paper has about 20 different parties[1] on it, ranging from the major parties (coalition/liberal/national and labour) to a few others (greens are becoming big, socialist alliance, etc), and then single issue parties (legalise cannabis australia, there was a high speed rail party at 1 point)… and it has a bunch of individual politicians below each party with their own boxes

              if you decide that legalising cannabis is the issue you care about, you can just number their box and they’ll allocate your preferences - hopefully based on how likely they think a particular politician is to support legalising cannabis. you can also put multiple numbers above the line and a range of other things, but at its simplest it’s putting a 1 in a box and going home

              some of this might be slightly incorrect because it can get very complex and i don’t really delve too deep into how the ballot actually works at its most complex level… but i think the great thing is that you can vote according to whatever complexity or detail you like and the system ensures your vote is allocated to who you’d most likely want

              [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Australia

              • the gist is that if you want to just vote for a party, you can: if you simply put a 1 in a box, that party will assign your preferences (when you vote “below the line” - numbering every box in the order that you’d like - you have to fill out 150 numbers, making sure you don’t make a mistake)

                interesting. I... wonder how the system would resolve putting a '2' in the box and then voting for somebody else as a 1, but otherwise party line. like the party-line vote is the failsafe, but I put my preferred 2 or 3 candidates in first.

                thank you for your input!

                • you can only vote above (party preference) or below (all preferences) the line on our ballots, so that’s not a situation that can occur, however i imagine it’d be something the actual counting system could tolerate - heck you could probably even assign someone an arbitrary 51 and imo the system could just grab that person out of the party preferences, sequence the list, and then put them in at number 51 and that’s your preference list

                  otherwise, the party preferences are published in advance, so you can always print them off and tweak them, then vote below the line

    • Yes. It is just those two. It's always just 2 every election. And you are the problem if you pretend to not understand that.

      • And you are the problem if you pretend to not understand that.

        That's a year out. We're not at that point yet. which kind of makes YOU the problem. Biden is a deeply unpopular candidate and instead of facing that fact- and listening to the warnings being given, and at the very least addressing them- you blather on about how awful trump is.

        But the whole point of primaries, which apparently i need to remind you, is to select the best candidate for a given party. you see how that works? this is a debate internal to the DNC. trump has nothing to do with this discussion, except as motivation to select the best candidate possible. Which, Biden cannot defeat trump. period. He's now too deeply unpopular among large segments of the Dem's base.

        the core arguemnt of "this isn't the year... next year, maybe" has been the rallying cry of moderates since I've been voting. You need to stop trotting that out along side the shitty candidates and start picking people who are actually... you know... popular? And let us not forget, Biden has been in government for longer than I've been alive. He's a part of why things are the way they are today.

        • Which, Biden cannot defeat trump. period. He’s now too deeply unpopular among large segments of the Dem’s base.

          Proof?

          Parties almost never run primaries with an incumbent. It's stupid as all hell to throw away a known quantity who already won.

          "He's unpopular". There isn't a more popular candidate. Harris has nothing to her name except VP and they're not going to throw her away for a new VP. And primaries bring the circus: debates, new dirt dug up. You want to beat Trump? Tossing up more doubt isn't going to do it.

          • Parties almost never run primaries with an incumbent. It’s stupid as all hell to throw away a known quantity who already won.

            his current approval rating is something like 30%, across the board. only 61% of democrats say they approve, and that number is sinking lower. do you really call that "popular"? keep in mind the sheer number of individuals who, in modern politics do not actually have a party- many of whom still tend to be progressive anyhow.

            incumbents who are so weak as to let people think it's a good idea to primary them... usually don't do so hot in the regular election. Because. you know. They're weak. Look at Ford vs Reagan, Carter Vs Kenedy (where carter won the primary and lost to Reagan.). H.W. vs Buchanan should be pretty useful here... H.W. won the primary, lost to Clinton. there's a pretty clear pattern- even if the causes are less clear- of incumbents who get primaried loosing the regular election.

            which, it's pretty stupid to run somebody whose known to be not particularly popular, too. Or. You know, Biden could do what he promised, step down after his first term. And then move to support and campaign for someone whose actually not smeared with the stink currently coming of Biden.

    • But but but the incumbent advantage!1!! We have to run this deeply unpopular octogenarian!

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