Memes @lemmy.ml

1y ago

Spread the Load! Join other Instances!

Yes I know they're getting DDoSed, I'm just messing around

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Lemmynsfw: spread the load, you say?
- It's isolated
  
  Your username is one r away from demonstrating obvious bias when it comes to loads, though..

Stop flocking to the core worlds, join the fringe! We have the same amenities... Only downside is browsing by All is less diverse
- Well, as long as the server is decently large enough it should be fine Like lemm.ee or sopuli.xyz
  
  Yes, Sopuli seems like a main server. Love it.
  
  In my totally unbiased opinion you should join lemm.ee
- I look at lemmy.world all occasionally to get a sense of what I'm interested in but don't know it yet. Then I subscribe to help expand the variety for everyone. Not that lemm.ee is all that small
  
  lemm.ee probably has a virtually identical /all to lemmy.world, right? They've got like 20k users
  
  Pretty much any of the top 5 instances already subscribe to each others communities. Definitely not missing out on lemm.ee either!
- One can easily get around that by simply subscribing to more communities!
- So I don't know enough about the inner workings, but on Reddit I never browsed all at all - it was 100% communities I'd subscribed to. At the moment I'm happy with Lemmy All, but if in the future when content gets too much, would I say, be able to host my own instance in my Android device and my subscriptions will just pull in the content I'm interested in? That way I am not putting load on other instances, and I can take my configuration with me without needing a cloud service?
  
  You can also just browse "subscribed" instead of all.
  
  My understanding is you can't host your own instance on an Android device, you'd need a server. You could stand up a server on Oracle Cloud, their Always Free tier is pretty generous.
- What are the few fringes here ?
  
  Check out lemmyverse.net and look at instances
- what if every instance used the lemmy community seeder?
  https://github.com/Fmstrat/lcs
- Content fringe world inhabitant here:
  Why is our All tab less diverse?
  Is it not just dependent on how many instances your instance is federating with?
  
  The main issue is that Lemmy instances, by default, only know about their local communities and remote communities that the users of that server have deliberately subscribed to. Some smaller instances are running federation helpers which are bots that search for remote communities to fix this.
  
  All is based on what people on that instance are subscribed to most, not just federation
  
  You subscribe to individual communities. So unless a user or the admin already subscribed to a community there won't be any content there from those communities.
  Even after subscribing only new content (and old content that has had replies/likes) will show up.
- Can you explain this? Why? If I follow the same communities that in the bigger instance?
  
  Your subscribed will be the same. All will differ as it grabs everything everyone on that instance is subscribed to.
  Ex. If you're on lemmyworld you'll see everything there by default but if you swap to instance X and nobody in x is subbed to niche.community@lemmyworld then it won't be brought to your All

I just jumped to another instance. Feels good now that stuff loads again. This sucks right now, but it's probably good for Lemmy in the long run. Load should be spread across instances, and this forces people to move. I've also noticed that I now see some stuff that I couldn't anymore on Lemmy.world, so it's better overall.
- Another one sees the light. :)
- Due to me only really using my phone for 3rd party youtube and lemmy, I decided, after thinking the other day "if .world goes down again, I'm gonna create an alt just as a backup."
  And then it happened last kigjt, so I've made 3 new ones, just as a safety backup. Now I've heard of LASIM. It was super easy.

When lemmy.world goes down, I use the time it is down to do other things. Like read, spend more quality time with my pets, learn something new, or just go outside and touch some grass.
- During the Reddit protest I got a professional certification. It's amazing what you can do when you're not doomscrolling...
  
  Lol me too! I got an AWS cert

Here is some useful information for people wanting to move instances. For a list of instances, along with with stats for those instances:
https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy or https://lemmyverse.net/
Also, tools for migrating instances:
https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim (easy) - Latest Version Download (just select your OS type and run the program)
https://github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate
https://github.com/Ac5000/lemmy_account_sync
- Woah 29k new users on lemmy.world !
  
  At this point I view it as a iq test.
  /s
  Just kidding... But you know what I mean.

It's not a load problem though, it's because some loser is DDoSing the server. Doesn't hurt to move to other instances where it isn't happening but the real solution would be to find who's doing this so they can be brought to justice (or silenced from the internet forever, whichever is easier).
Please tell others to stop misrepresenting this issue, it is an attack, not a user overload problem and nobody who's misrepresenting it that way is doing anyone any favors except the attackers by presenting it as such. Instead it should be presented as what it is.

Honestly, given the current state of affairs I wouldn’t have it any other way.
The little time these turds spend attacking the site I call my mental health break from the madness.
- That's smart lol All it does for me is make me think I'm going crazy when trying to subscribe to a .world instance for the first time right after it goes down, since it doesn't load

- Yeah! Leave Gandalf's stash alone, smoke Saruman's instead.

False alarm. Sounds like it’s a good ol fashioned DDOS attack.

Spread the Load!
That's what she said.
Regards, RadioactiveRadio

Anyone is welcome to join my instance at endlesstalk.org. Its running on a pretty beefy server, so it can take a decent amount of users.
There are multiple frontends like lemmy.world and I have setup a seeder(lemmony), so the all feed should be pretty filled.

I'm from Chile so i joined through feddit.cl 🇨🇱
- we are the best country of Chile.
- I honestly I don't get why people don't just, y'know, join instances that are more local. It would solve the "everything's in a different language!" Issue too because now the main foreign language is, y'know, one you speak.
  Or - yeah I did the same I joined a Finnish instance because I live right next door and it seemed like the logical thing to do ~~and screw Denmark~~
- I always enjoy finding new instances!

That's why I made a second account
- Same here. Probably gonna make this one my main now that world has gone on a defederating spree, make a third or both.

I'm doing my part! Like, I literally have a computer at home that I'm using as my own instance, couldn't be doing my part any further than that (unless I invite my family to join the server)

It doesn't help that the donation links still are just for Mastodon world, with no clear way to even find the donation links from Lemmy world. They put out a posting for sysadmins with part time hours for free... As a sysadmin I definitely don't have time for that shit. Maybe they could make the donation links more obvious and try to hire actual staff if they need help.
- Both sites are sharing the same infra IIRC, hence the donation links pointing elsewhere
  
  They are different servers in the same datacenter and there is overlap in the teams.
- Well you say that but we have plenty of sysadmins who applied and most of us are it professionals already doing this as a hobby project. I think we tackled that in our most recent announcement. If that is not for you that is fine.
  The donations to mastodon.world are shared with those to lemmy.world. LW admin Ruud has been very open in his near-monthly blogs: https://blog.mastodon.world/
  These blog posts are also announced on Lemmy World. I think it is all pretty clear.
  
  It took me way too much searching to find that. Think about it as a user looking for a donation link, the website's drop down has a link to donate to Lemmy's codebase but nothing clear for Lemmy world.

I have been here for months and still have no idea what this means
That’s probably a bad sign
- The site you make your account on is your home server (instance). That server takes on the job of processing your data when you use lemmy. Your home server is lemmy.world, mine right now is lemm.ee
  If a lot of people use the same home server, it gets expensive for the team running that server, the meme is about lemmy.world having issues with downtime because of this. You can have whatever home server you want and still access anything on the fediverse, so if you join a smaller instance as your home server, by literally making a new account on a different lemmy site, you can still use lemmy exactly the same (use your app to look at all instead of local) but spread the load so big instances like lemmy.world don't have too much strain. Doing this is good for the long term health of the fediverse.
- Basically lemmy.world is the largest lemmy instance by a country mile, and so it keeps going down because of DDos attacks and just sheer load Maybe you haven't noticed because the client/app you use just shows old posts until it can connect to the server again

I joined another instance and it closed within 2-3 weeks...
- This seems to be a serious downside to this system. Anyone who values a persistent profile is putting their precious data in the hands of some random instance that may or may not go bust in the near or (perhaps worse) distant future.
  I'm on lemmy.world because it's the most likely to survive
  
  sopuli.xyz has been around for years so it should survive
  
  i think this is bring worked on, but in the meantime, you can still transfer subscribed communities with lemmy migrate
  
  This seems to be a serious downside to this system. Anyone who values a persistent profile is putting their precious data in the hands of some random instance that may or may not go bust in the near or (perhaps worse) distant future.
  Isn't this the downside to any system reliant on remote operators?
  For any truly valuable data, the solutions remain the same, keep local copies, create backups, and store some backups offsite. As-is it seems like perhaps too many people rely strictly on offsite solutions as their singular data store, which is as bad practice as only having local backups, tbh.
  
  I hope you're donating
  
  You bet, LW ain't going anywhere.
  
  Why would one need a persistent profile though? This isn't Mastodon, here accounts are throwaway, just like on Reddit
- I'm never closing mine as long as it has active users. Please come if it's a good location for you - western USA. Performance and uptime is really good but you will have some network latency if you are on the other side of the world.
  
  Mr manager 🫡

So I’m totally new to federated apps and just joined the biggest one figuring it’d be the most reliable.
I understand the downside of all/local filtering being less useful on smaller instances, but I don’t use those anyway, so would be curious about a couple of things if anyone has advice:
How would you go about choosing an instance assuming reliability/speed was all you cared about?
Is there somehow a way to transfer the topics I subscribe to/content I’ve submitted to a new instance, or would I basically just be starting over if I switched?
- Of course location is not a guarantee of fast speeds, but you can at least check servers nearby with https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/map. I guess you can check for uptime to have an idea about reliability, but I never really relied on that. Shit happens (vlemmy comes to mind) so it's hard to gauge an instance's future reliability/stability. You have the option to start your own instance as well.
  https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
  
  This is great, thank you!
  
  other useful links:
  an account sync script in python: https://github.com/Ac5000/lemmy_account_sync
  uptime of most lemmy instances: https://lestat.org/
- Choose a server that is oriented to your geographical location.

I remember when it was lemmy.ml that was burning down. I might have been partly responsible for that

Yep! I made an account on my current instance after starting on one of the bigger ones. I still have my old one just in case. But now that some of the smaller communities I followed have started coming in it feels identical!
- I also have an account on a larger instance, and I use this to back up settings and subscriptions Works on basically all platforms!
  
  Yeah, I have heard of that and tried using it but I couldn't get it to run. I just ended up doing it manually as I didn't have that many communities anyways.
  
  I get an error "ERROR: Cannot write file - profile_v2.json: Access is denied. (os error 5)" anytime I try to use it.

I'm going to spread the load so hard. :Sweat:

Signups are open on my instance up to 100ish users. I run scripts to auto-federate popular content, so it's pretty bumping.
- Do you use LCS or lemony? Just curious
  
  Both, actually.
  
  I, personally, use Lemmony on my instance. It's a solid tool.

If you like books & writing, mine exists (literature.cafe). I have the community seeding bot that runs every 24 hours.

Sound off your instances folks! If you like pop music and
You want to create pop music related communities
You want to hang around other popheads
Come check us out at poptalk.scrubbles.tech. There are dozens of us here on Lemmy. Dozens!
- You got 30 whole users! That's almost 3 dozen!
- Would be happy to join if there are not too many things defederated , specially the big communities ? I need my memes ??
  
  I'm the admin, try not to defederate unless it's necessary, like too many trolls coming into our instance and NSFW, because then I'm hosting it and I can't do that.
  But other than that I try to keep it open

Share the Load.
- please delete this cousin

Public Meme Announcement

I already did! Now what?
- Hope that .world stops going down cuz half the communities are on there lol

.world is so unstable that at this point its future is uncertain and I am ready to completely migrate either to beehaw or to some other instance.
- I would move to a smaller instance (though I still check their /all on occasion). However, I wouldn't choose Beehaw, as they've defederated from some large instances.
  
  The way BeeHaw is run makes me wonder why they even bother with federation. They want a safe space.
  
  I created a lemm.ee account, and I might just mainly go on there instead of this one (or .world).

lemdro.id is always accepting new users
- And fellow photon supporter 🫡
  
  you know it! That guy is a beast. represent 🤝

Didn't really have a choice if I wanted to use Lemmy!

make it easier to create an instance for us noobs.
- If there was a php solution, I would be hosting one
  
  There is kbin
- https://github.com/ubergeek77/Lemmy-Easy-Deploy
  
  Thanks man. I'm going to try and deploy on a free box I have here. I have a dedicated IP with the connection here so I think I'm able to do something with it.

I've learned not to start my own instance as I'd have to deal with illegal shit being hosted on it via federation. No thanks.
- I'm pretty sure stuff is only hosted on the instance which the community is created on
  
  But you can still see it on other instances. Or else this entire thing would be pointless.
  
  test

I had problem with lemmy.world website today. But I had no problem with using sync app annd with same instance lemmy world.
- Coincidentally after our Outage announcement we didn't get attacked for the rest of the day and night.

I’ve been saving a shoebox for just this sort of occasion!

Every time I hear the phrase "spread the load" I keep remembering a scene from a movie where some kid jerks off in his pants and then wipes his jizz on a bunch of books in the library. Can't remember the name of the film, but I remember it had Jeff Daniels in it as the kid's dad and that one scene.

Every Lemmy user should run a single user server instance on their phone. Setting it up should be as easy as installing any other app. And doing this should not depend on any cloud infrastructure beyond DNS

Too left for my taste anyway 🤮
- Yeah, everything looks too left when your vantage point is the far right 🙄

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