Online travel agent allows customers to filter out Boeing 737 Max planes
Online travel agent allows customers to filter out Boeing 737 Max planes
Kayak customers can exclude Max 9 aircraft after cabin panel blowout on Alaska Airlines flight
Online travel agent allows customers to filter out Boeing 737 Max planes::Kayak customers can exclude Max 9 aircraft after cabin panel blowout on Alaska Airlines flight
Seems small but something like this could kill this plane as a passenger jet if enough people are avoiding em.
I'm all for it to be honest. The 737 Max sounds like a death trap, and until Boeing is banned from certifying their own planes nobody should be flying in these IMO.
The FAA needs to start certifying these themselves again, and remove the existing loopholes/exemptions that allow some design changes to avoid recertification
Sounds like capitalism in its best form.
Like clockwork
If it's Boeing, I'm not going.
If it's Boeing, you're not going, one way or another.
Hardly likely. If enough people start doing it, either airlines will start hiding the plane model, or boeing will rename it after some marketing to show things have changed, and the world will move on.
If this was the first incident with the Max, I'd agree with you.
But repeated issues close together have caused regulators amd the general public to look closer at Boeing as a whole; particularly their inspection, certification, and maintenance practices. I don't think this will go away easily.
I'm starting to see content like this often:
I agree with you on this one. There's public sentiment and then there's market reality. The hard truth is that most people have a need for a practical flight route within a certain window and there's limited choices. Delta, United, etc. only have so many aircraft servicing so many routes and they already bought the aircraft and have to use them. While I'd personally like to avoid the 737 MAX, if it's the only feasible choice, then that's the one I gotta roll the dice on. I guess I'll avoid window seats if possible.
If I recall correctly this is basically what killed the dc-10
Too bad if you're already booked and the airline company changes the plane on you...
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No. The "Contract of Carriage" that airlines create between you and them when you buy a ticket explicitly disclaims any liability for stuff like that. Delta's for domestic flights has, under "Rule 2", the following:
Delta will exercise reasonable efforts to transport you and your baggage from your origin to your destination with reasonable dispatch, but published schedules, flight times, aircraft types, seat assignments, and similar details reflected in the ticket or Delta’s published schedules are not guaranteed and form no part of this contract. Delta may substitute alternate Carriers or aircraft, change its schedules, delay or cancel flights, change seat assignments, and alter or omit stopping places shown on the ticket as required by its operations in Delta’s sole discretion. Delta’s sole liability in the event of such changes is set forth in Rule 22. Delta is not responsible or liable for making connections, failing to operate any flight according to schedule, changing the schedule or any flight, changing seat assignments or aircraft types, or revising the routings by which Delta carries the passenger from the ticketed origin to destination.
Source: https://www.delta.com/us/en/legal/contract-of-carriage-dgr (click the "plain language PDF" version)
Every airline has basically the same contract. They can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they get you from A to B. They don't even have to use a plane, or get you there on time.
My guess is most airlines have clauses in their terms and conditions that allow them to change the aircraft type without prior notice. Pretty sure their lawyers would argue that this is considered a management right for operational reasons.
But I'm no expert 🙃
Seems like a smart function. I would not feel safe in a Boeing at the moment.
A bit of clickbait. Yes they've added the option to filter out 737 Max 9, but also a bunch of older Boeing and Airbus planes
I just checked this myself:
The last few incidents with the MAX series has me on edge with them. I fly planes myself (GA) and am an aviation geek. It's only 3 incidents but it seems like they rushed the MAX out too quickly to compete with Airbus. I could be really wrong.
The MAX 8 series was the one where they had additional software to correct the climb and this caused two accidents of total loss in passenger planes Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopians Flight 302.
Between March 2017 and March 2019, the global fleet of 387 aircraft operated 500,000 flights and experienced two fatal crashes, having a fatal accident rate of four accidents per million flights, whereas the previous Boeing 737 generations averaged 0.2 fatal accidents per million flights.
Then we have the MAX 9 that had a door blow off because of a missing door plug. Thankfully, no deaths and only minor injuries.
If Boeing were extremely smart, they would replace the 737 with a net new design serving the same market segment. The 737 just sits too low to the ground. The giant LEAP engines were shoehorned on where they shouldn't have been and two planes full of people are dead because of it. With the open rotor engines likely to be the next evolution, I'm not even sure they couldn't put those on the 737.
Add in that the 737-900ER has the same door plug design, it makes me wonder if it is rational to fear the Max 9 specifically. I would actually prefer to fly a max 9 that was forced to have a recent inspection instead of the older 737-900ER that recently had scrutiny for the same door if my fear was the door plug itself.
But is the option to filter by plane model itself new?
If you're adding a filter so people can avoid a certain plane, it makes sense to add more than one model of plane.
Dude I've never been on an A380 this may be my chance
I don't want to filter out the max8/max8 planes because of bad pitot tubes or blowouts or nosedives.
I want to filter them out because even on a good day they're horribly appointed terrible airplanes with absolutely nothing redeeming about them.
And I fly the fancy seats.
The fact they even HAVE a configuration where the back loo is right next to the galley with an open-air American-style bathroom partition separating the two, that should get someone arrested.
I thought generally the configuration of seats and galleys and toilets was up to the airline and they were pretty much modular?
I will just drive my Tesla instead. So much safer.
thought you were serious for a second, for those who aren't getting the joke, driving your car is thousands of times more dangerous than taking a plane flight
I was just thinking about this lastnight; I don't fly often, but next time I do, I'll be paying attention to which plane is actually used and avoiding the max.
I've never paid any attention to the plane model before.
Boeing fucked up pretty big with this plane if even those that pretty much never fly are thinking this way.
Boeing is literally making planes that don't fly.
They don't deserve to be in business.
I don't see the 737 Max being taken off the market even with these options and rebranding wont help as airlines will still list the new model which will be publicly announced by Boeing. So what's the market adjustment going to be? Cheaper fare? I can honestly see people surging to buy a seat on this deathcraft if prices fall enough. It'll be like choosing between organic and pesticide-riddled.
My first thought after the door incident was that I hope this brings the price down of air travel, looks like that's happening
I dunno I would still fly on a Boeing for a discount
When every single incident makes national news, yeah, they're pretty damn safe still. I'll take the cheap tickets, thanks.
How about just Boeing entirely? The Max planes have been problematic, but what about the 757's having doors blow open mid flight or missing bolts or loose bolts? The issue with Boeing is getting so bad, Bombardier in Canada is starting to actually do business again.
Not to give Boeing any slack but what 757 had it's door blown open? The only one I can find was DHL 757 which had its cargo door open during flight. Boeing had nothing to do with that incident as the plane originally left the factory as a passenger jet. Later in the aircraft's life it was converted into a freighter by Precision Conversions LLC. This wasn't even a door plug situation like with AS1282 as the conversion process preformed by Precision Conversions LLC requires cutting a rather large hole in the fuselage for the cargo door. The other thing is Boeing hasn't produced a 757 since 2004, any manufacturering defect thats made it twenty years before causing issues is pretty impressive.
Also bombardier currently only makes business jets. The closest plane bombardier has ever made to competing with Boeing was the C series however those jets were designed for regional flights which is a sector of the industry Boeing doesn't really compete in outside of the 737 max 7. On top of that because of shady deals bombardier orchestrated Boeing got very scared and lobbied the department of commerce to enact a 292% import tariff on the C series. Due to the tariffs Bombardier ended up completely selling the C series to airbus in 2020 who rebranded it to the A220.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A leading online travel agent has added filters to let users exclude flights that use Boeing’s troubled 737 Max planes, after a piece of fuselage falling off an Alaska Airlines flight led to a surge of user interest in avoiding the airliners.
Following the Alaska Airlines incident, it says there was a 15-fold increase in use of the original filter, prompting it to rework the setting, making it more prominent on the search page and adding the ability to distinguish between 737 Max 8 and Max 9 planes, since only the latter has been grounded by America’s Federal Aviation Administration.
The surge of interest in the new feature demonstrates the unusual extent to which typical travellers are actively avoiding the 737 Max planes.
Such filters are more commonly used by regular travellers with esoteric preferences around particular seat locations on various planes, rather than a broad-brush fear of an entire family of jets.
On Sunday, the FAA expanded its scrutiny of Boeing jets to another, older model of 737, the 737-900ER, which it says uses a similar door design.
“The safety of the flying public, not speed, will determine the timeline for returning these aircraft to service,” it said.
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So strange - can’t find the Max 9 filter option on their app or website.
Presumably it only shows models that actually fly the route you're trying to book.
There aren't many Max 9's in the world, it's a brand new model. Also in some countries the model is not allowed to fly with passengers on board right now.
If it's not Boeing then who? Santoclose? Airbus? China?
Obviously they fucked up. Unfortunately they are the competition. This is what happens when there's a monopoly.
I say, fuck Google and Amazon and get those monopolies in check.
If it’s not Boeing then who? Santoclose? Airbus? China?
Airbus. Easy answer. I’d rather fly on an A320 than a 737 anyway, especially an A320neo vs 737max.
Why not Airbus? They're the largest manufacturer in the world by market share. Boeing is not a monopoly.
You lack perspective. I'm literally sitting in an office looking out to the big ass Boeing facility right here. Like imagine me just walking over and telling them "hey you don't know how to make airplanes". That's a fucking retarded comment. As much as I don't like the company....well more like I'm just ambivalent about them since I have no business with them and they don't affect my every day life in a direct way...other than food, deliveries and people I talk to, yeah they, Boeing are important to the local and the national economy. So it's short sighted to say let's shit down the company. If you were an engineer and got a letter accepting you for a position at Boeing, you would be thrilled to accept. The technology and know how you would earn would be a once in a lifetime experience....but somehow they can't make airplanes? No fuckin way. It's their management. Change management.
Obviously Airbus, who make better planes. Boeing certainly don't have a monopoly, take a look on Flightradar. Airbus are killing it, especially in EU.