Global Covid-19 cases up 80% as new sub-variant emerges
Global Covid-19 cases up 80% as new sub-variant emerges
WHO warned that the reported number of cases and deaths do not reflect the true numbers. Read more at straitstimes.com.
WHO warned that the reported number of cases and deaths do not reflect the true numbers. Read more at straitstimes.com.
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My city did the longest lockdown.
Are we discussing a city-wide pandemic, or a global one? Remind me.
How exactly do you expect people to eat during your magical full-lockdown?
As I mentioned in another reply food deliveries, just not by private individuals forced to wade through anti-masker air.
covid spreads through the air, which means it can move from condo unit to condo unit and spread
HVAC technology exists, and I also advocate all buildings air systems be upgraded (at gun point, by people in hazmat suits receiving hazard pay).
The technology and resources exist to fight this problem, just not the political will.
while also doing it for long enough to actually eliminate covid
So you admit it is theoretically possible.
Given my province city didn't allow people in, and city stayed lockdown for 4 months, yet local covid kept on chugging along, shows that 2 weeks is not enough even if done globally.
So people are out delivering food? That means people are out growing food, transporting food, preparing food, etc... That's a lot of people, and that's just in the food industry.
Where are we going to get all those hazmat suits? We didn't have all that many pre-pandemic, so we need to make them to have enough for everyone who needs to go out. So we now have lots of people in factories making hazmat suits.
Also who is training people on the proper use of hazmat suits? Improperly used hazmats don't work, so people need to be trained and periodically inspected on their proper use.
Who is building the HVACs? Who is mining the resources required to go into making them? Who is smelting and preparing those resources? Who is transporting those resources? Seems like a lot of people need to be working to make this happen.
And again you have millions of gun totting hazmat wearing quarantine police running around. Are they acting perfectly, and not asymptomatically spreading it when they get lazy?
All of this would take years to implement, retorfitting every single building with new HVAC systems would take years. Are you prepared to full lockdown for literal years?
And again, you still have to kill a very large chunk of the wild animal and pet population as well. Good luck finding and hunting down billions of deer and cats among other animals.
So no, it isn't in any way theoretically possible.
You are just jumping through hoops to justify the sunk cost of all the people we intentionally made die as a society, huh?
No, you just don't understand what it would take to actually eliminate a disease.
Please address my points, and how you would actually manage them, with the logistics of our actual world, not some fancy fantasy land you live in with unlimited resources and the ability to somehow do difficult installation labour on literally billions of homes at once.
I understand you would rather millions die and orders more be permanently disabled than do something about it (which we could have)
unlimited resources
We have close enough for jazz in this scenario if you factor out profit.
Of course people who benefit from us not factoring that out twist themselves and fact around to explain why so many people had to be made to die during this plague.
Why are you not addressing my points?
Take out profit completely, and just address these with no need to explain profit.
Where are the resources to make the HVAC systems coming from?
Who is making the HVAC systems?
Who is installing the HVAC systems?
In literally billions of homes, who is doing all this?
Who is making the hazmat suits?
Who is training people on and distributing the hazmat suits?
You need hundreds of millions of hazmat suits in order to have armed guards and food delivery people in every town and city in the world.
What time frame will all this take to implement?
Please, logistically how are you going to achieve your vision of a lockdown that would actually work to end covid, no money required?
Because right now, your ideas are impossible and could not work.
Why are you not addressing my points?
Seems pointless when you ignore mine. Kind of like you seem to ignore all the ongoing death.
You just want to stay convinced all the ongoing death is a good thing and I don't see why I should put effort into speaking with someone who doesn't even read links.
I'll keep smacking you down, but you aren't actually engaging so I won't be putting as much effort into it any more.
I am engaging, I took your points and asked you to clarify things about them. You're the one not engaging.
Please explain how your HVAC system upgrade is going to be implemented, and using what resources? Just a start, explain that part of your plan.
You jumped into "we could have handled this better" complaining about how it is impossible to control disease.
When told "Regardless if we can wipe it out" (which we can) "we'd have been better off with mandatory vaccinations and quarantine than with what we did do" you stuck on if it is theoretically possible to wipe out airborne disease (which, again, it is).
When you slipped up and admitted we yes absolutely could have wiped this out in as little as a few months ( as you and I could be hashing this out over a beer right now) you switched over to "We don't have enoug hhazmat suits!"
as if
- That is even true (hint: it isn't)
- It's impossible to build more.
I give very simple answers ("National Guard") and you either move to different points or misunderstand how manufacturing works.
You aren't interested in this debate, you just have to justify to yourself all the death you've been ok with.
..all while ignoring your schoolwork.
I have to tell you, if I was your professor and you were in my "Shut The Fuck Up" class, I'd have long since failed you.
You'll never get your doctorate at this rate.This started because you said if we had just locked down for two weeks we wouldn't be in this mess, heavily implying we could have eliminated covid. No explanation of how that would have worked.
(which we can)
How, with proper details and logistical support? How do we actually wipe it out, because so far I've disproven what you've said because it's literally impossible at the scale needed to actually eliminate a disease.
theoretically possible to wipe out airborne disease (which, again, it is).
Which diseases have we managed to wipe out?
And of course it's theoretically possible to eliminate disease, kill everyone and you no longer have disease. My point is it's not realistically possible in any way to eliminate an airborne disease.
could have wiped this out in as little as a few months
Not what I said, I said it would take several months for spread to stop in a closed locked down condo building. You still have wild vectors to deal with, and spread from all your guards.
It's impossible to build more
I didn't say that, I asked you to tell me who is making them? And how are you preventing covid spread where they are being made? Where are you getting the materials to make them, and who is getting those materials to the factories? And again, how are you stopping spread in this system?
I give very simple answers ("National Guard")
Simple because you fail to even consider any of the logistics behind it. Where are all the national guardsmen going to get their hazmat suits? How are you going to keep them perfectly in line? How are you going to deal with asymptomatic cases amongst them?
or misunderstand how manufacturing works.
No, that's you. You seem to think hazmat suits and HVAC systems just magically appear out of nowhere. Explain to me, how in a few weeks of a new pandemic you're going to get billions of these things manufactured and installed?
You aren't interested in this debate
I am, you have yet to actually expand on the actual logistics of your imaginary full lockdown. Not simply, "oh the national guard will do it" but actual concrete logistics of how they will do it. Please, elaborate on how exactly this all works in your fantasy land.
And I already have my doctorate, in bioanalytical chemistry, as I told you. What's your educational background?